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<trackbot> Date: 14 June 2011
<scribe> scribe: kaz
giuseppe: start with 16
russell: should start with 17 first and then go back to 16
<trackbot> ISSUE-17 -- Use Case: Home Network Enabled User-Agent -- raised
russell: question about
... discussion on security
... password is managed locally
... rather than centrally managed
giuseppe: think it's fine
... you can split media player/recorder
giuseppe: probably better to split them
... separate use cases eventually
giuseppe: you can put note on DLNA/UPnP in not the use case but additional note section
russell: did so
russell: five categories
... user agent. requirement for generating content
... for home network
-> http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/HNTF/Home_Network_TF_Discussions/UPnPHomeNetworkUA Russell's writeup on the Wiki
russell: (explains Scenarios
... requirements for Media Player device metadata like date, etc.
<JanL> clarke is speaking
clarke: special case for buffered device?
russell: add clarification
jan: numbered list would be easier to read
russell: usually use numbered list...
[ Media Server device ]
russell: (explains) Media Server device
jan: managing locally on your PC?
russell: user agent is used for
... it exposes contents to home network
jan: administrating metadata for the content?
giuseppe: some content from YouTube, and another content on local USB
russell: can capture the comments
bob: is that more requirement on
how to implement media server?
... interaction in home network
... media server is not necessarily implemented using a specific method
[ Recording device ]
russell: capture content based on
... and based on EPG
clarke: difference between EPG-based and metadate-based
bob?: the recording device should provide notification
russell: yes, the device should
provide notification on recording status, schedule change,
future activity, etc.
... for example, if I don't specify channel, the recording device should show several choices
... recording instructions, etc.
<JanL> were we going to limit issues to 10 minutes on each issue?
<JanL> this is a broad issue so it needs more time
[ UA commands other media oriented devices ]
russell: control camera angles, etc.
giuseppe: we can discuss security more
[ Future device classes ]
giuseppe: let's continue the
discussion by email
... you suggested some extension is needed
... what kind of extension is needed should be discussed
... good to point out what the missing pieces are
russell: will do
... there is some concern metadata can't be delivered using DLNA etc.
giuseppe: will continue the discussion by email
jc: not sure if this could be done in specific situation
russell: I think it's generic use
... not depending on specific implementation
giuseppe: it's still early stage,
so don't need to discuss detailed methods for messaging,
... if you need specific APIs or messaging mechanism, that should be separate discussion
<JanL> the queue system is not quite working well
kaz: we should split issue-17 into 5 separate use cases, shouldn't we?
russell: will do
<jcdufourd> my earlier question to Russel was: is the issue-17 about defining a set of APIs including one to list available home network media server, or is it about having a generic API that allows to do all the described cases
jan: (missed first two
... security portion?
igarashi: related to comments
from Kaz and Jan
... kind of confused
... what is the point of this use case?
russell: originally what
currently UPnP does
... but I removed "UPnP specific portion" from the use case
igarashi: all of the use cases
are actually examples of user's requirements for basic
... in that case, you don't have to split this big use case, but simply re-define a generic use case including the current topics as examples
russell: what kind of format
... how could I mention metadata handler?
... it's kind of complicated
igarashi: you don't need to
explain the details of methods for your use cases
... I think the detailed description in this "Home Network Enabled User-Agent" use case
... it's rather examples
... maybe you should explain a "Basic framework for home network enabled UAs"
giuseppe: the point is how to enable which capability
russell: would care of the details of implementation mechanism
igarashi: we should clarify what
kind of messages should be invoked at which
... for example, what kind of metadata, e.g., title, is needed
... that is use case
giuseppe: (we're out of time) so let's continue the discussion on the mailing list
jan: can agree removing
mentioning UPnP, etc.
... relationship with 24?
giuseppe: how to merge with that?
jan: relationship w/ 17?
giuseppe: it would be better to wait for a specific WG
jan: there is no exact APIs for
local function like DLNA
... we have DLNA stack and also guidelines
giuseppe: let's talk by email how/whether to merge with 17
giuseppe: will continue discussion by ML
giuseppe: next week we'll start with 18
[ adjourned ]
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