Changes to live regions

AS: Mac OS X has a special event for changes to live regions

DB: Windows just uses object hide/show events
... object that is exposed will have object attributes for IA2

AS: role log talks about container-live object attributes for ATK

DB: should also put these under IA2
... also copy object attributes for marquee from ATK to IA2
... ditto for status and tablist
... and timer

CS: live region: any element and its children with aria-live property of "assertive" or "polite" or with role that has implicit value of aria-live="assertive" or "polite"

<davidb> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria/states_and_properties#aria-live

<scribe> ACTION: Andi to create definition of "live region" per above, add Mac OS X event to the table, and get review by James [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/06/09-aapi-minutes.html#action01]

Cynthia's comments on the UAIG

CS: section 5.2 - first paragraph needs a re-write, makes it sound like the only element that should have ARIA attributes is a <div>
... remove first sentence
... sentence that begins with "at times", remove "at times" and change to "WAI-ARIA is sometimes used ...."
... first bullet - 2nd and 3rd sentences - nothing for browser to do

<scribe> ACTION: Andi to check spec and adjust appropriately [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/06/09-aapi-minutes.html#action02]

CS: section 5.5, bullet 2 - don't know what this means

<davidb> original text (aaron) was: "Add in states and object attributes supported by the accessibility implementation for the base markup"

<davidb> from: https://developer.mozilla.org/en/ARIA_to_API_mapping#11.3.10_States_and_Properties

<scribe> ACTION: Andi to remove "and map states and properties that are supported in the API" from Section 5.5, bullet 2 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/06/09-aapi-minutes.html#action03]

DB: author wants to use radio buttons as check boxes - expose aria-checked state

FF: addition of a role doesn't circumvent all of the other states that should be supported

AS: if this is not about ARIA, can this just go away

DB: even though there is an ARIA property, like aria-grabbed, continue to expose checkbox methods rather than only the ARIA semantics that are there
... existence of ARIA attributes do not mean the UA should stop exposing the native semantics the way they normally would
... UA's MUST continue to expose native semantics in addition to WAI-ARIA semantics"
... a better example is aria-labelledby

CS: except where an explicit WAI-ARIA override is allowed by the host language
... include example of checkbox with aria-labelledby

<scribe> ACTION: Andi to change bullet 2 to "UAs MUST continue to expose native semantics in addition to WAI-ARIA semantics except where an explicit WAI-ARIA override is allowed by the host language" and include checkbox example [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/06/09-aapi-minutes.html#action04]

CS: bullet 4 seems confusing
... some issues with name calculation

AS: this is the exact text that is in the spec - can't change it

CS: 5.6.3.2 - aria-describedby pointing to structured text - should be a topic for Tuesday's walkthru

<scribe> ACTION: Andi to remove sentence about accessibility tree from 6.3, bullet 1 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/06/09-aapi-minutes.html#action05]

CS: could we get Shawn Henry to do a copy edit pass-through?

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