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<trackbot> Date: 08 June 2011
<doublec> is there anyone on the call?
<doublec> Zakim: mute me
<doublec> I'm slowly getting used to it :)
PROPOSED to accept the minutes of the last week telecon: http://www.w3.org/2011/05/11-mediafrag-minutes.html
<erik> +1
+1
<doublec> +1
Minutes accepted
<silvia> +1
Raphael: TPAC 2011 in November
http://www.w3.org/2011/11/TPAC/#Tentative
ACTION-219?
<trackbot> ACTION-219 -- Davy Van Deursen to update the specification to reflect those changes -- due 2011-05-18 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/219
Raphael: I hope that by TPAC we do not have issues any more to deal with
Silvia: one of the change was to
rename "id" into "chapter"
... I wonder if this was a good move
... in WebVTT, we add tracks (captions, audio descriptions) and
cues (time stamps) have identifiers
... I wonder if #id would not be better than #chapter for a
dimension that addresses a section by name
... tracks introduced in HTML5 with 5 possible types
<silvia> http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/the-iframe-element.html#texttrackcuelist <-
<silvia> http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/the-iframe-element.html#texttrackcue http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/the-iframe-element.html#dom-texttrackcuelist-getcuebyid(in DOMString id);
<doublec> but 'chapter' in media fragments is just a shortcut for #t=... isn't it? It's not related to the 'id' used in the cue?
Yes Chris
<silvia> example cue:
<silvia> 00:00:01.000 -> 00:00:08.000
<silvia> asdfasf
<silvia> then we get "example cue" as the identifier of this cue
<silvia> and we can address it by getCueById("example cue") in HTML5
Raphael: so the question is should we change back to "id" or another dimension name?
<silvia> and we can address it by http://example.com/video.ogv#example%2dcue
<doublec> If the user uses #id=example cue, does that mean it's the same as #t=1,8?
<silvia> yes
<doublec> so there needs to be a text track for id to work?
<davy> maybe we should name it 'cue': video.ogv#cue=example%20cue
<silvia> I like Davy's idea
Silvia: Cues are defined in a text track, yes
Raphael: but if the media has embedded cues?
Silvia: we are not introducing any dependencies, but we just make sure it can work with HTML5
Raphael: we discuss this on the mailing list, Silvia will start a thread to discuss whether we should name this dimension "id", "name" or "cue"
close ACTION-219
<trackbot> ACTION-219 Update the specification to reflect those changes closed
ACTION-2220?
<trackbot> ACTION-2220 does not exist
ACTION-220?
<trackbot> ACTION-220 -- Raphaël Troncy to change the specification accordingly to reflect that #track is local -- due 2011-05-18 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/220
close ACTION-220
<trackbot> ACTION-220 Change the specification accordingly to reflect that #track is local closed
Davy: many changes evrywhere ... perhaps someone should review it entirely and completely
?
Frank Denoual has spotted small issues: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2011Jun/0002.html
Raphael: t=10, sometimes valid, sometimes not
<scribe> ACTION: Davy to fix the #t=10, in Section 4.2.1 which is invalid [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/06/08-mediafrag-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-221 - Fix the #t=10, in Section 4.2.1 which is invalid [on Davy Van Deursen - due 2011-06-15].
Suggested sentence from Frank: "If a single number only is given, this corresponds to the begin time except if it is preceded by a comma that would in this case indicate the end time"
Davy: I will do this too
<davy> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/WD-media-fragments-spec/#server-triggered-redirect
Davy: discussion between Silvia
and me about the server triggered redirect for chapter (or id
or cue)
... we need to decide and change the spec
<davy> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2011May/0083.html
Davy: we need to adapt the spec so that it says that the server can answer with byte ranges
<scribe> ACTION: Davy to adapt Section 5.2.3 so that the server can also send back the mapping in terms of byte ranges [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/06/08-mediafrag-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-222 - Adapt Section 5.2.3 so that the server can also send back the mapping in terms of byte ranges [on Davy Van Deursen - due 2011-06-15].
Raphael: do you see any other issues to deal with?
<doublec> not that I'm aware of
Erik: yes, answering questions from Boris, Chris and Fantasai
Raphael: loop problem from Chris
is related to bug at http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=12426
... clearly, we need to answer those requests
... svg issue is also related to TAG discussion and Yves need
to be here
... I will answer to these comments
... Target is to transition to CR before end of June
Status for UA: http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/TC/ua-test-cases.html
Status for Server: http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/TC/server-test-cases
Raphael: we need to review more test cases in the upcoming telecon
Erik: we have 2 more telecon before the summer holidays
<scribe> ACTION: Raphael to start up a thread for discussion and approval of all test cases for the UA for the temporal dimension [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/06/08-mediafrag-minutes.html#action03]
<trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - Raphael
<scribe> ACTION: troncy to start up a thread for discussion and approval of all test cases for the UA for the temporal dimension [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/06/08-mediafrag-minutes.html#action04]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-223 - Start up a thread for discussion and approval of all test cases for the UA for the temporal dimension [on Raphaël Troncy - due 2011-06-15].
[silence]
<davy_> bye!
Raphael: get an agreement on the name of this last dimension by Sunday so we can vote for CR next week
<scribe> ACTION: Raphael to send a reply to the 4 commenters [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/06/08-mediafrag-minutes.html#action05]
<trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - Raphael
<scribe> ACTION: troncy to send a reply to the 4 commenters [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/06/08-mediafrag-minutes.html#action06]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-224 - Send a reply to the 4 commenters [on Raphaël Troncy - due 2011-06-15].