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<scribe> ScribeNick: ArtB
<scribe> Scribe: Art
Date: 7 June 2011
aabb is Art_Barstow
aacc is Matt_Brubeck
<smaug> I'll re-call
AB: the agenda (
) was posted yesterday and it proposes continuing the topics
from the last meeting on May 24 (
... I'd like to move Issue-17 after Issue-6.
... the last topic about "specifying behavior for devices with touch hardware" is really about the status of the Intensional Event spec.
... any other change requests?
AB: any short
... here's something that people may want to read/scan: http://io9.com/5808604/10-physical-gestures-that-have-been-patented
AB: yesterday Matt submitted a
proposal for Issue-6 ( http://www.w3.org/2010/webevents/track/issues/6
). Any comments on Matt's proposal ( http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/webevents/rev/29ec4253b862
... thanks Matt! Note June 9 is the deadline for comments.
MB: I didn't think I needed to go
... I didn't talk about levels of nesting
... "child browsing context" is from the HTML5 spec
... I don't know if that term is used elsewhere
DS: HTML5 is the first place to define that
MB: I should add a reference to
... is that OK re spec maturity?
DS: an Informative is fine
... a Normative reference requires a certain level of stability
... We are running into this problem in other areas
AB: my recommendation is to
do-the-right-thing i.e. if the reference should be Normative
then make it Normative
... and as Doug said, the Staff is trying to determine a way forward for other specs
MB: the definition is within Normative spec
DS: let's assume we can solve
this so make it Normative reference
... and if we have a problem down the road, we will do something different
AB: if anyone has any comments on Matt's proposal, please send them to the list by June 9
AB: yesterday Matt submitted a
proposal for Issue-17 ( http://www.w3.org/2010/webevents/track/issues/17
). Any comments on Matt's proposal ( http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/webevents/rev/53491ff3514b
... thanks Matt! June 9 is the deadline for comments.
MB: I am particuarly interested
in feedback from Olli
... since it is based on his work
... In Gecko, we take all 3 parameters
... Can't leave out Page 'x and y'
... No real advantage to specifying clientS and clientY rather than computing them
... Think this will give more consistency
OP: I am fine with this change
LG: so Webkit does not include
clientX and clientY
... I need to make sure Webkit didn't change
<mbrubeck> As far as I know, WebKit includes clientX/clientY in the Touch interface, but not in the parameters to document.createTouch.
LG: I need to check Webkit vis-à-vis Matt's latest change
OP: Webkit is apparently
... createTouch takes pageXandY and screenXandY
... We can do what Webkit does
... It's a bit ugly but compatible
MB: initTouchEvent in TouchEvents spec is not compatible with WebKit initTouchEvent
LG: there a couple of
... one is to review the changes Matt proposed
... and the other is the differences in the initTouchEvents
AB: so, we should leave this open
until we get more feedback from at least Laszlo
... when can you give us some feedback Laszlo?
LG: I will try to get the feedback this week
AB: anything else on Issue-17 for today?
AB: Issue-3 ( http://www.w3.org/2010/webevents/track/issues/3 ) is in the raised state. Doug has related Action-23 ( http://www.w3.org/2010/webevents/track/actions/23 ). We last discussed this on May 24 ( http://www.w3.org/2011/05/24-webevents-minutes.html#item04 )
DS: I haven't been able to work
on this; sorry about that
... I will try to get something out this week
OP: the click should be
dispatched since it happens after the touch events
... I think we had agreement click should be dispatched
DS: if there is general agreement among the impls, we should use that
AB: so what does that mean in terms of what needs to be specified?
AB: i.e. what change(s) need to be made in the spec?
DS: if Olli wants to make a proposal, I am fine with that
OP: yes, I can make a proposal
<scribe> ACTION: olli make a proposal for Issue-3 based on current implementations [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/06/07-webevents-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-51 - Make a proposal for Issue-3 based on current implementations [on Olli Pettay - due 2011-06-14].
AB: Issue-16 ( http://www.w3.org/2010/webevents/track/issues/16 ) is in the raised state. Laszlo has related Action-46 ( http://www.w3.org/2010/webevents/track/actions/46 ). We last discussed this on May 24 ( http://www.w3.org/2011/05/24-webevents-minutes.html#item05 )
... I don't think objects should have persistence
... Recommend people read the link in my email
... PPK had a related blog
... Assuming events perisist probably is not a good idea
<smaug> http://trac.webkit.org/changeset/58323/trunk/WebCore/page/EventHandler.cpp. doesn't seem to work
LG: I consider my action as done
<mbrubeck> smaug: Remove the final .
<mbrubeck> ".", that is
LG: and we can discuss it
AB: from a process perspective, yes I will close Action-46
DS: I need to read this
AB: any other comments on
... the homework is for people to read Laszlo's e-mail
AB: on May 24, we talked (
about the thread Gregers Gram Rygg started on May 12 (
) re "Proposal to specify behavior for terminals without touch
... that discussion lead to a discussion about the Intentional Events spec where some preliminary work has been done by WAI's Protocols and Formats WG ( http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-dom/2010JulSep/att-0106/UserInterfaceIndependence.html ), namely Apple's James Craig.
... James indicated (off-list) he hopes to have an Editor's Draft type doc to share in June.
DS: I don't have any additional status
AB: ongoing action for Doug and I to keep up with James' work
AB: regarding the next call
... it appears we still have open, discussions for Issues 3, 16 and 17
... I would prefer to have more calls in June and less in July and August
... any objections to a call on June 13?
... next call is June 14
... please follow-up on Issues 3, 16 and 17 on the list
... meeting adjourned
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