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<scribe> ScribeNick: ArtB
<scribe> Scribe: Art
Date: 24 May 2011
AB: I submitted a Draft Agenda yesterday ( http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webevents/2011AprJun/0112.html ). Any change requests?
AB: any short announcements?
AB: Issue-6 is the Open state ( http://www.w3.org/2010/webevents/track/issues/6 ). I has two open actions ( http://www.w3.org/2010/webevents/track/actions/24 ) for Doug and ( http://www.w3.org/2010/webevents/track/actions/48 ) for Matt.
MB: I still need to address my
action
... as discussed previously
AB: can you give us a rough ETA Matt?
MB: yes, I'll try to get proposals out by Friday
AB: ok, that's good
<smaug> is there a conf call?
<smaug> I'm in HTML Speech f2f
<smaug> so can't attend, sorry
DS: I haven't had time for my
action
... will try to get to it this week
<mbrubeck> smaug: Looks like we don't have much new business since the last call, anyway.
DS: I have some other obligations that will make it difficult for me to address my actions
AB: if anyone can help Doug with Doug's actions, that would be great!
AB: Issue-3 is Raised state ( http://www.w3.org/2010/webevents/track/issues/3 ). Doug has an open action ( http://www.w3.org/2010/webevents/track/actions/23 ) for this issue.
DS: I still need to address this action
MB: we discussed this during May 10 call
<mbrubeck> http://www.w3.org/2011/05/10-webevents-minutes.html#item05
MB: people should read those minutes, especially if they want to help Doug with his actions
AB: Issue-16 is Raised ( http://www.w3.org/2010/webevents/track/issues/16 ). Laszlo has an open action ( http://www.w3.org/2010/webevents/track/actions/46 ) for this issue.
LG: no progress yet on this
... need some more context
MB: subsequent touch events
contain objects that refer to the same touch point
... or the touch points are in diff lists
... Impl wise, it would be possible to reuse same objects b/w
events
... or to always use distinct objects
... This impl detail can leak out to content
... Thus for interop reasons, we may want to specify if objects
should be reused or not
LG: I was wondering about
existing impls?
... e.g. the pros and cons here
MB: PPK did some research for
Webkit browsers
... there is a link to that blog in the Issue
... and he notes the behaviour may change in Webkit
LG: ok, I can make it clear what
Webkit is going to do in the future
... Some of the initial iPhone and Android impls have not been
merged to the WK trunk
... so there could be some differences between the WK trunk and
what has been implemented
... I assume existing impls will have a significant weight in
our decision
AB: I think historically, we have emphasized existing impls
AB: Issue-17 is Raised ( http://www.w3.org/2010/webevents/track/issues/17 ). Matt has an open action ( http://www.w3.org/2010/webevents/track/actions/50 ) for this issue.
MB: this is ongoing and should have a proposal by Friday
AB: this topic was started by Gregers Gram Rygg on 12-May-2011 ( http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webevents/2011AprJun/0098.html ). There were some follow-ups.
MB: a question is how can content
do feature detection to determine if the UA is going to make
use of touch events or not
... there is concern we don't want content discriminating based
on h/w or other factors
... Think we can address some of this by UA capabilities
... e.g. if a user with eye detection h/w could translate eye
movements to touch events
... But for UAs that don't implement any of this spec, is it
useful for the content to detect this
... most people probably haven't thought about all of the UCs
especially wrt accessibility
JS: need something like action
events (not swipe)
... I want to be able to register for zoom
... The higher-level spec about user intentions is
important
MB: we still have a feature detection issue for contents
JS: we may want to make it hard
to use touch events
... and get content devs to focus on High Level Intentional
events
DS: I do not want to make it hard
for anyone to do anything
... We want it to be easy to do simple things
... Apple's James Craig has done some work related to
Intentional Events
... I expect him to ping us when that doc is published (by WAI
P&F WG)
... I think people will implement that spec, at least
eventually
... and I agree some people will want to use that spec
MB: well, Touch Events will not
go away
... f.ex., there will not necessarily be a "paint" event
... Some UCs will use Touch Events and other UCs will use
Intentional Events
... and feature detection is needed for Touch Events
DS: I don't think we will see the
INDIE events implemented before mid-2012
... but Touch Events as we have been spec'ing are already out
there (implemented)
... So devs will need to code for both types of events
... If native impls don't support either of these specs, some
script impls may help
... e.g. add to jQuery
... There will be a period of time where Touch Events is
supported but Intentional Events are not
... there will be a market reality that these specs will be
implemented in phases
AB: we don't have a draft of Intention Events so it causes a problem for use communicating what we intend to do
DS: I can ping James and the
P&F WG
... for starters, would like to have an idea of a starting
point
... but because of scheduling issues, I don't think that will
happen for a couple of weeks
AB: is there an action for me
here Doug?
... or do you want to continue to be the lead?
DS: I'll start dialog now
... and then I'll report back
AB: ok, that seems like a reasonable plan
AB: let's plan to have the next
call in 2 weeks
... June 7
... meeting adjourned
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