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<trackbot> Date: 18 May 2011

<scribe> Scribe: Addison Phillips

<scribe> ScribeNick: aphillip

<r12a> hi addison, deep in conversation at the moment

<matial> I muted on my side

Agenda

Action Items

Draft a summary for review next week responding to the CSS selectors request outlining potential response(s)

close ACTION-39

<trackbot> ACTION-39 Draft a summary for review next week responding to the CSS selectors request outlining potential response(s) closed

Info Share

<kojiishi> http://www.w3.org/Style/Japan-2011/

koji: program in kyoto
... anyone can attend
... mostly in japanese, with translations

HTML5 Last Call

addison: status report on their LC
... a lot of work coming

CSS3 Selectors and Normalization

http://www.w3.org/mid/131F80DEA635F044946897AFDA9AC3476A92C094DA%2540EX-SEA31-D.ant.amazon.com

akim, who is noisy?

http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/39

http://www.w3.org/TR/charmod-norm/

(discussion of NFC)

<David> My personal feeling is that we say that the comparison of selectors should bheave as if NFC had been applied.

addison: recommend that tools NOT normalize

<David> Many web developers have no control over their tools, or data sources, particularly if transcoding has to be applied, or user entered.

<David> How would most ordinary developers debug a non-match scenario?

addison: only "weird corner" of the web?

david: even if its a weird corner, it's a start
... some users use legacy encodings for a variety of reasons
... some "normalizing" transcoders don't
... would completely flummox average users
... having been on wrong end of it, feel strongly we should encourage that
... suggesting that "selectors should match as if content were in NFC"

norbert: two ids what are canonically equivalent but use different encodings
... after this requirement, browsers should reject

addison: may not happen often, since usually legancy encoding mapping is either one character or another

koji: what is intention for action here?

addison: see what our WG agrees to

<David> I would expect UTF-8 CSS selector that is the same word to match the relevant id in a DOM built from an ISO-2022-jp web page.

<David> What would you all expect?

norbert: going back to france discussion---cannot reasonably enforce creation of normalized text
... don't have tools to do it
... so normalization would have to occur during the comparison

<David> I agree

norbert: so "when you match selectors, must behave as normalized"
... as long as result is normalized (can be done when preparing to store selectors or during comparison)

<David> Yes

<scribe> chair: are we saying we want to recommend normalize in compare?

david: +1

norbert: +1

addison: two choices
... 1. Normalize in comparison
... 2. Do not normalize in comparison

<David> I prefer "behave as if Normalisation occured in in comparison".

koji: +1

<scribe> ACTION: addison: rewrite response with new proposal to do normalization in comparison [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/05/18-i18n-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-40 - Rewrite response with new proposal to do normalization in comparison [on Addison Phillips - due 2011-05-25].

all: need to review before next meeting so we can respond to CSS WG

JavaScript and Unicode

https://mail.mozilla.org/pipermail/es-discuss/2011-May/014337.html

https://mail.mozilla.org/pipermail/es-discuss/2011-May/014337.html

http://www.w3.org/International/wiki/JavaScriptInternationalization

<Norbert> https://mail.mozilla.org/pipermail/es-discuss/2011-May/014252.html

<matial> +1

<scribe> chair: is everyone supportive of our working with TC39 on this

norbert: yes

david: yes

AOB?

<matial> Bye

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Found Scribe: Addison Phillips
Found ScribeNick: aphillip
Default Present: Addison_Phillips, matial, David, kojiishi, Norbert
Present: Addison_Phillips matial David kojiishi Norbert
Regrets: Richard Felix
Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2011May/0006.html
Found Date: 18 May 2011
Guessing minutes URL: http://www.w3.org/2011/05/18-i18n-minutes.html
People with action items: addison