W3C

Internationalization Core Working Group Teleconference

16 Mar 2011

Agenda

See also: IRC log

Attendees

Present
Addison, Richard, David, Felix, Gwyneth, Andrew, Kenny, Koji, Mati
Regrets
Chair
Addison Phillips
Scribe
Addison Phillips

Contents


Minutes and Agenda review

Action Items

Review techniques index pages to check that all the current links in the index point to the right place

<kennyluck> ACTION-21?

<trackbot> ACTION-21 -- Kang-Hao (Kenny) Lu to review techniques index pages to check that all the current links in the index point to the right place -- due 2011-02-21 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/21

<kennyluck> I need more time.

Send addison tools for conversion to HTML

Prepare to make tracker-based WG comment tables

<scribe> DONE

close ACTION-26

<trackbot> ACTION-26 Prepare to make tracker-based WG comment tables closed

Work with matial to draft bidi comments on writing-mode

almost done... the comments have gone out

close ACTION-27

<trackbot> ACTION-27 Work with matial to draft bidi comments on writing-mode closed

close ACTION-28

<trackbot> ACTION-28 Change time of teleconference to 1500 UTC closed

forgot to send email to list on act. 5

Info Share

gwyneth: support for digit substitution seems to be diminishing

firefox, IE8/9, etc don't support

scribe: used to automagically get characters
... but seeing a trend of non-support

richard: wanted this to happen (work??)
... IE9 was released yesterday-ish

<kennyluck> nope.

<kennyluck> aphillip: I am be speaking about HTML5, Javascript, Flash/Silverlight internationalization.

<David> addison, where will you be speaking?

digit shaping

gwyneth: michael kaplan has a blog entry on it (Ie7 compatibility mode, etc...)

<kennyluck> +1 to ping CSS WG about this

gwyneth: follow up with CSS?

<scribe> ACTION: gwyneth: check into digit shaping with CSS [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/03/16-i18n-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-29 - Check into digit shaping with CSS [on Gwyneth Marshall - due 2011-03-23].

richard: if you display something that has (say) '1234' then you might want to see (say) Devanagari digits even though the glyphs have changed
... what happens if you don't want digit shaping?

<David> Would you expect this to apply to Kanji digits?

gwyneth: there are three modes...?
... depends on user scenarios

<David> which would be conventionally used in vertical Japanese text, but not horizontal.

richard: can you figure out user scenarios

<David> yes

addison: do you mean wide (zenkaku) ascii?

<David> but also true Kanji

<andrewc> Would it apply to non decimal systems?

<andrewc> e.g. Ethiopic

gwyneth: never seen digit subs for ethiopic

LISA standards

richard: LISA has discontinued operations
... wondering what to do with their standards

(searchs for email)

<r12a> http://www.lisa.org/OSCAR-LISA-Standards.79.0.html

<r12a> European Telecommunications Standards Institute (ETSI)

<r12a> OASIS

richard: three orgs might want to take them

<r12a> OMG

richard: should we be there?
... I would like to have been considered
... but not really web specific

<andrewc> More used by translation industry, more than localisation industry?

addison: anyone feel W3C and/or this WG should host these standrads?

felix: agree with richard that not specific
... should we maybe give recommendations about groups
... another not on list is LRC

richard: bring to attention of unicode?

<fsasaki> felix: any other suggestions what standard body would fit here?

<scribe> ACTION: addison: ping Unicode via liasion about LISA standards status [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/03/16-i18n-minutes.html#action02]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-30 - Ping Unicode via liasion about LISA standards status [on Addison Phillips - due 2011-03-23].

felix: may have more info next week
... also discussing with other localization folks; lots of small companies find membership cost to be an issue

Webapps, polyglot, and other list traffic

<kennyluck> aphillip: I sent some comments about the Widgets related language identifiers

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2011JanMar/0091.html

<kennyluck> ... asked them to reconsider a tag (didn't catch that)

richard: (polyglot) check back next week

addison: on widgets: case handling in tags and the use of obs-language-tag instead of language-range for production of filenames

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2011JanMar/0088.html

1. Web Workers http://www.w3.org/TR/2011/WD-workers-20110310/ 2. Server-sent Events http://www.w3.org/TR/2011/WD-eventsource-20110310/ 3. Progress Events http://www.w3.org/TR/2011/WD-progress-events-20110310/

reviewers welcome

<kennyluck> +q to ask whether we should review Navigation Timing or there's nothing to review.

<Zakim> kennyluck, you wanted to ask whether we reviewed Navigation Timing or there's nothing to review.

kenny will look into it

Info share, part II

<r12a> documented process for raising i18n comments to other WGs via the tracker http://www.w3.org/International/reviews/review-instructions

richard: last week I did the above
... link is to process instructions
... also linked from review list
... please look at it

<r12a> Program finalised and published ! http://www.multilingualweb.eu/documents/pisa-workshop/program

richard: didn't mention it, but published program
... to MLWeb

CSS Writing-Modes

richard: question about Korean jamos
... thread on CSS and CJK list

<r12a> richard has to leave

AOB?

Summary of Action Items

[NEW] ACTION: addison: ping Unicode via liasion about LISA standards status [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/03/16-i18n-minutes.html#action02]
[NEW] ACTION: gwyneth: check into digit shaping with CSS [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/03/16-i18n-minutes.html#action01]
 
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