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14:58:46 <aphillip> trackbot, prepare meeting
14:58:48 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world
14:58:50 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 4186
14:58:50 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see I18N_CoreWG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 2 minutes
14:58:51 <trackbot> Meeting: Internationalization Core Working Group Teleconference
14:58:52 <trackbot> Date: 16 March 2011
14:58:54 <David> David has joined #i18n
14:59:00 <Zakim> I18N_CoreWG()11:00AM has now started
14:59:07 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
14:59:14 <aphillip> Chair:   Addison Phillips
14:59:20 <aphillip> Scribe: Addison Phillips
14:59:22 <aphillip> ScribeNick: aphillip
14:59:35 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
14:59:39 <aphillip> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2011Mar/0009.html
14:59:47 <Zakim> -[IPcaller]
15:01:06 <Zakim> +Addison_Phillips
15:02:16 <r12a> zakim, dial richard please
15:03:06 <r12a> zakim, dial richard please
15:03:12 <Zakim> Zakim has joined #i18n
15:03:13 <aphillip> zakim's not on, richard
15:03:20 <aphillip> zakim, who is here?
15:03:32 <Zakim> sorry, aphillip, I don't know what conference this is
15:03:39 <aphillip> zakim, this is I18N
15:03:48 <Zakim> ok, aphillip; that matches I18N_CoreWG()11:00AM
15:03:53 <aphillip> zakim, who is here?
15:03:54 <r12a> zakim, dial richard please
15:03:56 <Zakim> On the phone I see felix, Addison_Phillips, ??P32, ??P31, +44.141.888.aaaa
15:03:58 <Zakim> ok, r12a; the call is being made
15:04:00 <Zakim> +Richard
15:04:09 <aphillip> zakim, I am Addison_Phillips
15:04:23 <aphillip> zakim, who's noisy?
15:04:29 <r12a> zakim, are you there?
15:04:47 <Zakim> Zakim has joined #i18n
15:04:49 <aphillip> aphillip has joined #i18n
15:04:54 <r12a> zakim, this is i18n
15:04:55 <Zakim> ok, r12a; that matches I18N_CoreWG()11:00AM
15:04:59 <aphillip> zakim, who is noisy?
15:04:59 <Zakim> I am sorry, aphillip; I don't have the necessary resources to track talkers right now
15:05:01 <r12a> zakim, dial richard
15:05:01 <Zakim> ok, r12a; the call is being made
15:05:03 <Zakim> +Richard
15:05:15 <r12a> zakim, who's noisy?
15:05:15 <Zakim> I am sorry, r12a; I don't have the necessary resources to track talkers right now
15:05:26 <r12a> zakim, mute richard
15:05:26 <Zakim> Richard should now be muted
15:05:31 <r12a> zakim, mute kenny
15:05:31 <Zakim> kennyluck? was already muted, r12a
15:05:38 <r12a> zakim, mute felix
15:05:39 <kennyluck> Zakim, mute ??P31.
15:05:42 <Zakim> felix was already muted, r12a
15:05:44 <Zakim> ??P31 should now be muted
15:05:50 <aphillip> zakim, mute +44
15:05:56 <Zakim> +44.141.888.aaaa should now be muted
15:06:03 <aphillip> zakim, +44 is David
15:06:07 <r12a> zakim, unmute richard
15:06:13 <Zakim> +David; got it
15:06:20 <Zakim> Richard should no longer be muted
15:06:27 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
15:06:42 <r12a> zakim, who's here /
15:06:44 <aphillip> zakim, [Microsoft] is gwyneth
15:06:50 <r12a> zakim, who's here ?
15:06:53 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who's here /', r12a
15:06:57 <Zakim> +gwyneth; got it
15:07:03 <Zakim> On the phone I see felix (muted), Addison_Phillips, kennyluck? (muted), ??P31 (muted), David (muted), Richard, gwyneth
15:07:39 <Zakim> +??P41
15:07:52 <aphillip> Topic: Minutes and Agenda review
15:08:11 <aphillip> (reminder, many of you are muted)
15:08:21 <aphillip> richard: LISA standards
15:08:31 <aphillip> Topic: Action Items
15:09:00 <aphillip> Review techniques index pages to check that all the current links in the index point to the right place 
15:09:26 <kennyluck> ACTION-21?
15:09:26 <trackbot> ACTION-21 -- Kang-Hao (Kenny) Lu to review techniques index pages to check that all the current links in the index point to the right place -- due 2011-02-21 -- OPEN
15:09:26 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/21
15:09:34 <kennyluck> I need more time.
15:09:57 <aphillip> 	Send addison tools for conversion to HTML
15:10:21 <aphillip> 	Prepare to make tracker-based WG comment tables
15:10:22 <aphillip> DONE
15:10:32 <aphillip> close ACTION-26
15:10:32 <trackbot> ACTION-26 Prepare to make tracker-based WG comment tables closed
15:10:45 <aphillip> 	Work with matial to draft bidi comments on writing-mode
15:10:58 <aphillip> almost done... the comments have gone out
15:11:02 <aphillip> close ACTION-27
15:11:02 <trackbot> ACTION-27 Work with matial to draft bidi comments on writing-mode closed
15:11:17 <aphillip> close ACTION-28
15:11:17 <trackbot> ACTION-28 Change time of teleconference to 1500 UTC closed
15:11:43 <aphillip> forgot to send email to list on act. 5
15:11:54 <aphillip> Topic: Info Share
15:12:28 <aphillip> gwyneth: support for digit substitution seems to be diminishing
15:12:38 <aphillip> firefox, IE8/9, etc don't support
15:12:54 <aphillip> ... used to automagically get characters
15:13:07 <aphillip> ... but seeing a trend of non-support
15:13:17 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/03/16-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
15:13:49 <aphillip> rrsagent, set logs world-visible
15:14:02 <aphillip> rrsagent, make minutes
15:14:02 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/03/16-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
15:14:35 <aphillip> richard: wanted this to happen (work??)
15:15:52 <aphillip> agenda+ digit shaping
15:16:15 <aphillip> richard: IE9 was released yesterday-ish
15:17:10 <kennyluck> nope.
15:17:20 <aphillip> zakim, unmute kennyluck
15:17:20 <Zakim> 'kennyluck' is ambiguous, aphillip
15:17:34 <aphillip> zakim, kennyluck? is somebody
15:17:34 <Zakim> +somebody; got it
15:17:41 <aphillip> zakim, umute kennyluck
15:17:41 <Zakim> I don't understand 'umute kennyluck', aphillip
15:17:57 <aphillip> zakim, unmute kennyluck
15:17:57 <Zakim> kennyluck should no longer be muted
15:18:28 <kennyluck> aphillip: I am be speaking about HTML5, Javascript, Flash/Silverlight internationalization.
15:19:16 <aphillip> Topic: digit shaping
15:19:24 <David> addison, where will you be speaking?
15:20:43 <aphillip> gwyneth: michael kaplan has a blog entry on it (Ie7 compatibility mode, etc...)
15:21:22 <kennyluck> +1 to ping CSS WG about this
15:21:27 <aphillip> ... follow up with CSS?
15:21:41 <aphillip> ACTION: gwyneth: check into digit shaping with CSS
15:21:42 <trackbot> Created ACTION-29 - Check into digit shaping with CSS [on Gwyneth Marshall - due 2011-03-23].
15:22:21 <David> zakim, unmute me
15:22:21 <Zakim> David should no longer be muted
15:22:22 <aphillip> richard: if you display something that has (say) '1234' then you might want to see (say) Devanagari digits even though the glyphs have changed
15:22:26 <David> q+
15:22:32 <aphillip> zakim, mute David
15:22:33 <Zakim> David was already muted, aphillip
15:23:07 <andrewc> Zakim, unmute ??P41
15:23:07 <Zakim> ??P41 was not muted, andrewc
15:23:18 <aphillip> richard: what happens if you don't want digit shaping?
15:23:37 <David> Would you expect this to apply to Kanji digits?
15:23:48 <aphillip> gwyneth: there are three modes...?
15:24:15 <aphillip> .. depends on user scenarios
15:24:30 <David> which would be conventionally used in vertical Japanese text, but not horizontal.
15:24:35 <aphillip> richard: can you figure out user scenarios
15:24:55 <David> yes
15:25:01 <aphillip> addison: do you mean wide (zenkaku) ascii?
15:25:09 <David> but also true Kanji
15:26:03 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/03/16-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
15:26:06 <r12a> zakim, who's here ?
15:26:06 <Zakim> On the phone I see felix (muted), Addison_Phillips, somebody, kennyluck, David (muted), Richard, gwyneth, ??P41
15:26:10 <andrewc> Would it apply to non decimal systems?
15:26:17 <andrewc> e.g. Ethiopic
15:26:37 <aphillip> gwyneth: never seen digit subs for ethiopic
15:27:27 <aphillip> Topic: LISA standards
15:27:51 <aphillip> richard: LISA has discontinued operations
15:27:57 <aphillip> ... wondering what to do with their standards
15:28:15 <aphillip> (searchs for email)
15:28:28 <r12a> http://www.lisa.org/OSCAR-LISA-Standards.79.0.html
15:28:58 <r12a> European Telecommunications Standards Institute (ETSI)
15:29:04 <r12a> OASIS
15:29:05 <aphillip> richard: three orgs might want to take them
15:29:12 <r12a> OMG
15:29:22 <aphillip> richard: should we be there?
15:29:40 <aphillip> ... I would like to have been considered
15:29:44 <Gwyneth> Gwyneth has joined #i18n
15:29:45 <aphillip> ... but not really web specific
15:30:01 <fsasaki> q+
15:30:50 <kojiishi> kojiishi has joined #i18n
15:31:05 <Zakim> -David
15:31:33 <andrewc> More used by translation industry, more than localisation industry?
15:31:52 <Zakim> -felix
15:32:19 <Zakim> + +44.141.888.aaaa
15:32:30 <David> zakim, +44 is David
15:32:30 <Zakim> +David; got it
15:32:36 <aphillip> addison: anyone feel W3C and/or this WG should host these standrads?
15:32:46 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
15:32:57 <aphillip> ack David
15:33:15 <aphillip> ack fsasaki
15:33:29 <aphillip> felix: agree with richard that not specific
15:33:50 <aphillip> ... should we maybe give recommendations about groups
15:33:59 <aphillip> ... another not on list is LRC
15:34:36 <aphillip> richard: bring to attention of unicode?
15:34:52 <fsasaki> felix: any other suggestions what standard body would fit here?
15:35:12 <aphillip> ACTION: addison: ping Unicode via liasion about LISA standards status
15:35:12 <trackbot> Created ACTION-30 - Ping Unicode via liasion about LISA standards status [on Addison Phillips - due 2011-03-23].
15:35:35 <aphillip> felix: may have more info next week
15:37:22 <aphillip> felix: also discussing with other localization folks; lots of small companies find membership to be an issue
15:38:03 <aphillip> s/membership/membership cost/
15:38:10 <aphillip> Topic: Webapps, polyglot, and other list traffic
15:39:18 <kennyluck> aphillip: I sent some comments about the Widgets related language identifiers
15:39:43 <aphillip> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2011JanMar/0091.html
15:40:10 <kennyluck> ... asked them to reconsider a tag (didn't catch that)
15:40:26 <aphillip> richard: (polyglot) check back next week
15:40:53 <aphillip> addison: on widgets: case handling in tags and the use of obs-language-tag instead of language-range for production of filenames
15:41:24 <aphillip> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2011JanMar/0088.html
15:41:40 <aphillip> 1. Web Workers    http://www.w3.org/TR/2011/WD-workers-20110310/   2. Server-sent Events    http://www.w3.org/TR/2011/WD-eventsource-20110310/   3. Progress Events    http://www.w3.org/TR/2011/WD-progress-events-20110310/
15:41:59 <aphillip> reviewers welcome
15:42:14 <kennyluck> +q to ask whether we reviewed Navigation Timing or there's nothing to review.
15:42:22 <kennyluck> s/reviewed/should review/
15:42:34 <aphillip> ack kennyluck
15:42:34 <Zakim> kennyluck, you wanted to ask whether we reviewed Navigation Timing or there's nothing to review.
15:43:21 <aphillip> kenny will look into it
15:43:36 <aphillip> Topic: Info share, part II
15:43:48 <r12a> documented process for raising i18n comments to other WGs via the tracker http://www.w3.org/International/reviews/review-instructions
15:43:54 <aphillip> richard: last week I did the above
15:44:05 <aphillip> ... link is to process instructions
15:44:14 <aphillip> ... also linked from review list
15:44:19 <aphillip> ... please look at it
15:44:38 <r12a> Program finalised and published ! http://www.multilingualweb.eu/documents/pisa-workshop/program 
15:44:39 <aphillip> richard: didn't mention it, but published program 
15:44:44 <aphillip> ... to MLWeb
15:45:25 <aphillip> Topic: CSS Writing-Modes
15:45:37 <aphillip> richard: question about Korean jamos
15:45:42 <aphillip> ... thread on unicode list
15:45:59 <aphillip> s/unicode/CSS and CJK/
15:46:04 <r12a> richard has to leave 
15:46:14 <Zakim> -Richard
15:46:26 <Zakim> +??P55
15:46:39 <aphillip> Topic: AOB? 
15:46:47 <kojiishi> zakim, ??P55 is me
15:46:47 <Zakim> +kojiishi; got it
15:47:24 <Zakim> -gwyneth
15:47:29 <Zakim> -??P41
15:47:30 <Zakim> -Addison_Phillips
15:47:31 <Zakim> -felix
15:47:33 <Zakim> -David
15:47:34 <Zakim> -somebody
15:47:35 <Zakim> -kojiishi
15:47:49 <andrewc> andrewc has left #i18n
15:48:10 <aphillip> RRSAgent, make minutes
15:48:10 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/03/16-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
15:48:29 <aphillip> zakim, bye
15:48:29 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees were felix, Addison_Phillips, +44.141.888.aaaa, Richard, David, gwyneth, kennyluck, somebody, [IPcaller], kojiishi
15:48:29 <Zakim> Zakim has left #i18n
15:49:08 <aphillip> Present: Addison, Richard, David, Felix, Gwyneth, Andrew, Kenny, Koji, Mati
15:49:15 <aphillip> rrsagent, make minutes
15:49:15 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/03/16-i18n-minutes.html aphillip