<pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 12222] Drop rel=external. It doesn't do anything anywhere. Pages that use it mostly use it as a scripting hook to inject target=_blank to get around validation. <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Mar/0066.html> 4** [Bug 12221] Should Structured Clone preserve property descriptors? <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Mar/0065.html> 4** [Bug 12220] Make sure rules for parsing a flo
<pimpbot> planet: Susan Taing: Press Start: launching Google Game Developer Central <11http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/blogspot/Dcni/~3/aqZScUUDvWw/press-start-launching-google-game.html>
<pimpbot> bugmail: "[Bug 12228] All Media Elements should have the ability to have both short and longer textual descriptions associated to the element." (2 messages in thread) <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Mar/0073.html> 4** [Bug 12228] New: All Media Elements should have the ability to have both short and longer textual descriptions associated to the element. <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Mar/0
<pimpbot> planet: Jesse Ruderman: 2011-03-02 Trunk builds <11http://www.squarefree.com/burningedge/2011/03/02/2011-03-02-trunk-builds/>
<pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 12062] UTF-8 BOM should not be forbidden in Polyglot Markup <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Mar/0074.html>
<pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 12062] UTF-8 BOM should not be forbidden in Polyglot Markup <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Mar/0076.html> 4** [Bug 10152] [polyglot] i18n comment 5 : Mention lang and xml:lang <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Mar/0075.html>
<pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 12228] All Media Elements should have the ability to have both short and longer textual descriptions associated to the element. <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Mar/0077.html>
<pimpbot> planet: Karl Dubost: Karl Dubost: HTML5, a better documentation <11http://my.opera.com/karlcow/blog/show.dml/26861281>
<pimpbot> planet: A Googler: Press Start: launching Google Game Developer Central <11http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/blogspot/Dcni/~3/aqZScUUDvWw/press-start-launching-google-game.html>
<pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 12227] The readyState check in the "potentially playing" definition should not be used to influence GC of media elements <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Mar/0078.html>
<pimpbot> planet: Susan Taing: Press Start: launching Google Game Developer Central <11http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/blogspot/Dcni/~3/aqZScUUDvWw/press-start-launching-google-game.html>
<pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 12217] Suggestion: Allow other 'Content-Type's to result from javascript: scheme URI dereferencing <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Mar/0079.html>
<pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 12228] All Media Elements should have the ability to have both short and longer textual descriptions associated to the element. <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Mar/0080.html>
<hsivonen> Julian: it would be *really* nice if you could refrain raising issues like http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/40318/issue-125-objection-poll/results that require others to spend their time objecting to change proposals that propose changing something that's now interoperable across all the major browsers
<pimpbot> Title: Results of Questionnaire ISSUE-125: Requirement to break RFC 2616 compliance - Straw Poll for Objections - Web-Based Straw-poll and Balloting System (at www.w3.org)
<Julian> Henri, when the issue was raised, it was in conflict with IE8. I can't change what was a fact back then. It would also help if the spec didn't claim things that simply are BS.
<hsivonen> Julian: I'd be OK with Hixie wordsmithing the non-normative rationale text, but even that wouldn't merit an WG ISSUE.
<Julian> you get issues escalated when you reject bug reports for no good reasons
<hsivonen> Julian: if WG participants can't avoid escalating editorial tweaks, I think the Process needs to be fixed so to prevent their escalation
<hsivonen> but having to tweak the Process because participants don't exercise self-control in escalation, sucks too
<pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 12062] UTF-8 BOM should not be forbidden in Polyglot Markup <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Mar/0081.html>
<pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 10475] HTMLMediaElement.frameDropped <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Mar/0082.html>
<pimpbot> planet: Ali Pasha: Press Start: launching Google Game Developer Central <11http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/blogspot/Dcni/~3/aqZScUUDvWw/press-start-launching-google-game.html>
<pimpbot> changes: sam: Updated change proposal for issue 140 <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2011Mar/0017.html>
<pimpbot> planet: Robert: Wanted: Native JS Encryption <11http://robert.accettura.com/blog/2011/03/03/wanted-native-js-encryption/> 4** Qt Labs: Briefly about upcoming QtWebKit releases <11http://labs.qt.nokia.com/2011/03/03/briefly-about-upcoming-qtwebkit-releases/> 4** Mike Marchak: Press Start: launching Google Game Developer Central <11http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/blogspot/Dcni/~3/aqZScUUDvWw/press-start-launching-google-game.html>
<pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 12230] New: From this algorithm it does not seem to follow that dispatching a synthetic non-canceled submit event at a form causes it to be submitted. Yet that is what browsers implement. So that forms have a default handler for submit events should probably be split <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Mar/0083.html>
<rubys> trackbot, start meeting
<trackbot> Date: 03 March 2011
<scribe> ScribeNick: adrianba
<pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 10693] Need a means for navigating between related timed tracks of media elements <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Mar/0084.html>
<scribe> Scribe: Adrian Bateman
<pimpbot> Title: {agenda} HTML WG telecon 2011-03-03: Issues, Decisions, Task Force Reports, and Other Business from Sam Ruby on 2011-03-02 (public-html-wg-announce@w3.org from January to March 2011) (at lists.w3.org)
rubys: there are none
rubys: again, there are none
ISSUE-157?
<trackbot> ISSUE-157 -- A comprehensive, semantic image map specification -- closed
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/157
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-157: A comprehensive, semantic image map specification - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
ISSUE-158?
<trackbot> ISSUE-158 -- HTML4's content-model for <object> should continue -- closed
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/158
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-158: HTML4s content-model for should continue - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
ISSUE-160?
<trackbot> ISSUE-160 -- Remove restriction on command element as part of a menu -- closed
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/160
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-160: Remove restriction on command element as part of a menu - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
rubys: all three were closed without prejudice due to lack of proposals
ISSUE-161?
<trackbot> ISSUE-161 -- Create document defining mappings from html elements to platform accessibility apis -- open
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/161
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-161: Create document defining mappings from html elements to platform accessibility apis - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
ISSUE-144?
<trackbot> ISSUE-144 -- <u> should be conforming -- open
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/144
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-144: should be conforming - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
rubys: we have a proposal for these and the calls for alternative proposals went out for both
ISSUE-124?
<trackbot> ISSUE-124 -- nofollow/noreferrer not allowed on <link> -- open
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/124
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-124: nofollow/noreferrer not allowed on - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
ISSUE-130?
<trackbot> ISSUE-130 -- allow tables to be used for layout purposes -- open
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/130
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-130: allow tables to be used for layout purposes - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
rubys: two straw polls closed last week on these issues
rubys: five items closing today
ISSUE-9?
<trackbot> ISSUE-9 -- how accessibility works for <video> is unclear -- open
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/9
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-9: how accessibility works for is unclear - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
rubys: call for consensus - some
discussion the mailing list but no objections raised yet
... next, some where we have calls for counter proposals
ISSUE-120?
<trackbot> ISSUE-120 -- Use of prefixes is too complicated for a Web technology -- open
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/120
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-120: Use of prefixes is too complicated for a Web technology - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
rubys: do have a counter proposal for this
ISSUE-139?
<trackbot> ISSUE-139 -- HTML5 spec mentions Microdata in Acknowledgements -- open
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/139
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-139: HTML5 spec mentions Microdata in Acknowledgements - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
rubys: again, we have a proposal and a counter proposal
ISSUE-140?
<trackbot> ISSUE-140 -- clarify the applicability of the term "conforming document" in cases where "applicable specifications" had been used to augment or change the base HTML5 specification -- open
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/140
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-140: clarify the applicability of the term "conforming document" in cases where "applicable specifications" had been used to augment or change the base HTML5 specification - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
rubys: again, we have a proposal and a counter proposal
ISSUE-142?
<trackbot> ISSUE-142 -- No alternative text description for video key frame (poster) -- open
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/142
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-142: No alternative text description for video key frame (poster) - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
rubys: again, we've got
both
... the only one that may have any action this week is ISSUE-9
if there are no objections raised
ISSUE-135?
<trackbot> ISSUE-135 -- put back direct link to the W3C version of the canvas 2d context spec -- open
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/135
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-135: put back direct link to the W3C version of the canvas 2d context spec - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
rubys: we have until the 10th to get alternate proposals
ISSUE-146?
<trackbot> ISSUE-146 -- <video> should allow muted as a content attribute -- open
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/146
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-146: should allow muted as a content attribute - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
ISSUE-147?
<trackbot> ISSUE-147 -- playbackrate: undefined behavior when the user agent can't play back at the requested rate -- open
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/147
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-147: playbackrate: undefined behavior when the user agent cant play back at the requested rate - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
ISSUE-148?
<trackbot> ISSUE-148 -- Algorithm for detecting the charset="" parameter -- open
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/148
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-148: Algorithm for detecting the charset="" parameter - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
rubys: none of these have counter proposals yet - we have another week on these
ISSUE-119?
<trackbot> ISSUE-119 -- Certain relationships take on a special meaning when repeated; other solutions may be cleaner -- open
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/119
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-119: Certain relationships take on a special meaning when repeated; other solutions may be cleaner - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
rubys: call for consensus due mar
7
... see no objections yet
ISSUE-126?
<trackbot> ISSUE-126 -- Requirement to break RFC 2616 compliance with respect to backslashes not needed for legacy content -- open
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/126
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-126: Requirement to break RFC 2616 compliance with respect to backslashes not needed for legacy content - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
rubys: survey is to be complete
by mar 10
... by request we extended ISSUE-125 survey to have the same
date
ISSUE-125?
<trackbot> ISSUE-125 -- Requirement to break RFC 2616 compliance with respect to single quotes not needed for legacy content -- open
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/125
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-125: Requirement to break RFC 2616 compliance with respect to single quotes not needed for legacy content - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
ISSUE-118?
<trackbot> ISSUE-118 -- Specification breaks semantics of existing link relations "index" and "first" -- closed
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/118
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-118: Specification breaks semantics of existing link relations "index" and "first" - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
rubys: decision was posted and the changes have been made
ISSUE-129?
<trackbot> ISSUE-129 -- replace or modify the ARIA section of the HTML5 spec -- open
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/129
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-129: replace or modify the ARIA section of the HTML5 spec - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
rubys: decision has been posted, ian asked for some clarifications and steven kindly provided those clarifications
krisk: we met as planned on
22nd
... meet again this tuesday
... group has consensus to update some of the google
audio/video tests that they had submitted but hadn't reported
back on
... update is just to add a third parameter to
addEventListener
... simon from opera gave some good feedback on those tests, i
gave feedback as well
... set a date of mar 22 to have those all approved pending the
needed fixes
... other than that, plh and other folks at w3c updated the
wiki - thanks for that
... that's it about now
... lots of good participation in feb and mar off to a good
start as well
rubys: questions or comments?
<MikeSmith> http://www.w3.org/2011/03/03-html-a11y-minutes.html
mike: janina is away so i'll give the summary this week
<pimpbot> Title: HTML Accessibility Task Force Teleconference -- 03 Mar 2011 (at www.w3.org)
mike: not much to report but i'll
put in the minutes
... we had paul on the call to answer questions about reopening
of issue-30
issue-30?
<trackbot> ISSUE-30 -- Should HTML 5 include a longdesc attribute for images -- open
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/30
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-30: Should HTML 5 include a longdesc attribute for images - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
scribe: paul clarified some
queries - it is reopened but comments will be processed in may
after LC
... sam already mentioned issue-129
... as far as TF is concerned there is nothing we need to do on
either of these before LC
... the thing with some urgency is canvas
... but this is blocked on getting some time from implementers
to give feedback
... rich is aware that we won't be able to get much done before
mar 22
... so some of these dicusssions will need to take place in
LC
... we're planning a f2f after CSUN in san diego
... focus is to get the media discussions moved along
... silvia and eric and others will be there
... nothing else that the WG is waiting for that the TF hasn't
yet reported on
rubys: any questions for mike?
ISSUE-30?
<trackbot> ISSUE-30 -- Should HTML 5 include a longdesc attribute for images -- open
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/30
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-30: Should HTML 5 include a longdesc attribute for images - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
rubys: as mentioned this was reopened and formal objection has been removed
<mark> Mark just called in
rubys: bug 11984 - chairs asked for revert which was done promptly
<pimpbot> 11http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=11984 contributor, P3, REOPENED, 13Simplify <video> for implementors and authors by ignoring the Content-Type HTTP header
rubys: still discussing
... we also provided an extension for issue 145
... the new date is now mar 22
ISSUE-145?
<trackbot> ISSUE-145 -- use of "codecs" parameter -- open
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/145
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-145: use of "codecs" parameter - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
rubys: is there any other
business people would like to bring up?
... none
paul: i believe i'm chairing next week
rubys: if we don't have any volunteers i will volunteer to scribe
rubys: thanks everybody
<paulc> Thank you, Sam.
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