<pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 12167] The requirement on the listing element conflicts with its old definition (which requires a special parsing mode where no markup except the element's end tag is recognized) and usage. It is better to avoid requiring any support than to require support that <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Feb/0950.html> 4** [Bug 12166] The requirement on the xmp element conflicts with its old definition (which requires a
<pimpbot> bugmail: "[Bug 12169] I like cheese" (2 messages in thread) <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Feb/0953.html> 4** [Bug 12168] Shouldn't you have a rule somewhere like body { background: white } or html { background: white }? <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Feb/0951.html>
<pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 12141] Specifically state that all <track> options be exposed to the end user <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Feb/0954.html>
<pimpbot> bugmail: "[Bug 12141] Specifically state that all <track> options be exposed to the end user" (2 messages in thread) <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Feb/0955.html>
<pimpbot> planet: Tantek: sitting in the second row, watching Robert give a talk on The Cure @MozHQ #notwhatyouthink #html5 #canvas. <11http://tantek.com/2011/054/t3/robert-the-cure-html5-canvas>
<pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 11393] End tag fails to break out of foreign content <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Feb/0956.html>
<pimpbot> changes: sam: Close issue 147-161 <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2011Feb/0136.html>
<pimpbot> bugmail: "[Bug 11393] End tag fails to break out of foreign content" (2 messages in thread) <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Feb/0957.html>
<pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 12171] Define "resolve an address" here until there's a useful spec to reference. The lack of specification seriously hurts any attempt to improve interoperability for anything related to URLs <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Feb/0959.html> 4** [Bug 12171] New: Define "resolve an address" here until there's a useful spec to reference. The lack of specification seriously hurts any attempt to improve interoperab
<pimpbot> bugmail: "[Bug 12171] Define "resolve an address" here until there's a useful spec to reference. The lack of specification seriously hurts any attempt to improve interoperability for anything related to URLs" (2 messages in thread) <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Feb/0960.html>
<pimpbot> bugmail: "[Bug 12171] Define "resolve an address" here until there's a useful spec to reference. The lack of specification seriously hurts any attempt to improve interoperability for anything related to URLs" (3 messages in thread) <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Feb/0961.html>
<pimpbot> planet: Anne van Kesteren: WHATWG, W3C, and HTML <11http://annevankesteren.nl/2011/02/html-development>
<pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 12172] What should startOffsetTime return when the current timeline offset is not known? <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Feb/0963.html> 4** [Bug 12172] New: What should startOffsetTime return when the current timeline offset is not known? <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Feb/0962.html>
<pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 12174] New: Structured Clone 'Object' links to HTMLObjectElement? <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Feb/0964.html>
<MikeSmith> issue-161?
<trackbot> ISSUE-161 -- Create document defining mappings from html elements to platform accessibility apis -- closed
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/161
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-161: Create document defining mappings from html elements to platform accessibility apis - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
<pimpbot> Title: {agenda} HTML WG telecon 2011-02-24: Action items and Issues from Paul Cotton on 2011-02-23 (public-html-wg-announce@w3.org from January to March 2011) (at lists.w3.org)
<pimpbot> planet: ieblog: Web Tracking Protection: An Emerging Internet Standard that Helps Protect Consumers from Tracking <11http://blogs.msdn.com/b/ie/archive/2011/02/24/web-tracking-protection-an-emerging-internet-standard-that-helps-protect-consumers-from-tracking.aspx>
trackbot, start meeting
<trackbot> Date: 24 February 2011
<scribe> scribenick: rubys
<paulc_> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-announce/2011JanMar/0016.html
<pimpbot> Title: {agenda} HTML WG telecon 2011-02-24: Action items and Issues from Paul Cotton on 2011-02-23 (public-html-wg-announce@w3.org from January to March 2011) (at lists.w3.org)
<paulc_> plh: are you joining the call?
<Stevef> paulc_: have provided a change proposal for issue 161 for the chairs consideration even though it is 12 hours past the deadline http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2011Feb/0407.html
<pimpbot> Title: change proposal for issue 161 from Steve Faulkner on 2011-02-24 (public-html@w3.org from February 2011) (at lists.w3.org)
<paulc_> Question of the day: When is HTML5 going to be done?
<paulc_> DNLA asked me this question.
<Julian> is DNLA done?
<plh> actually, I asked if it was going to be done by April 2011 :)
<paulc_> Julian: No but they want to take a dependency on HTML5.
action-29?
<trackbot> ACTION-29 -- Philippe Le Hégaret to follow up on the idea of a free-software-compatible license for a note on HTML authoring -- due 2011-02-24 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/29
<pimpbot> Title: ACTION-29: Follow up on the idea of a free-software-compatible license for a note on HTML authoring - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
plh: last time I said that there
was a survey ongoing within the PSIG.... this survey came back
negative
... we have two proposals, one coming from the psig, and one
coming from a subset of the psig and the chairs
... there is a proposal to send both to the AC
paulc: time schedule?
plh: should go to the AC in the next two weeks; then there would be a four weeks of time
paulc: change the action item to the end of march?
action-29 due 31 March
<trackbot> ACTION-29 Follow up on the idea of a free-software-compatible license for a note on HTML authoring due date now 31 March
paulc: any other comments?
issue-34?
<trackbot> ISSUE-34 -- Can we get access to tools that determine how often markup is used on the web? -- closed
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/34
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-34: Can we get access to tools that determine how often markup is used on the web? - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
paulc: this issue was originally
closed due to lack of proposals, since then a proposal has been
received and has been reopened as a last call issue
... this issue was discussed in the a11y TF call
issue-134?
<trackbot> ISSUE-134 -- Provide tablist and tab states for menu and command elements respectively -- open
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/134
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-134: Provide tablist and tab states for menu and command elements respectively - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
issue-122?
<trackbot> ISSUE-122 -- alt text and description for Lady of Shalott example -- open
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/122
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-122: alt text and description for Lady of Shalott example - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
paulc: chairs are evaluating proposals
issue-129?
<trackbot> ISSUE-129 -- replace or modify the ARIA section of the HTML5 spec -- open
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/129
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-129: replace or modify the ARIA section of the HTML5 spec - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
paulc: poll has been complete,
and have received a request to expedite this issue
... the a11y tf will resend that request with more
information
issue-131?
<trackbot> ISSUE-131 -- Should we add a caret location API to canvas, or is the focus API sufficient? -- open
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/131
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-131: Should we add a caret location API to canvas, or is the focus API sufficient? - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
paulc: we received a CP and have
issued a call for counter proposals, due Mar 22
... our march to last had a number of calls for CPs completing
now, and the chairs are immediately issuing calls for counter
proposals
ISSUE-152?
<trackbot> ISSUE-152 -- Handling of additional tracks of a multitrack audio/video resource -- open
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/152
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-152: Handling of additional tracks of a multitrack audio/video resource - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
paulc: we received a CP and immediately issued a call for counter proposals which is due Mar 22
ISSUE-155?
<trackbot> ISSUE-155 -- make <table border="1" cellpadding="10" cellspacing="0"> conforming -- open
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/155
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-155: make conforming - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
paulc: we received a CP and immediately issued a call for counter proposals due Mar 22
ISSUE-156?
<trackbot> ISSUE-156 -- Permit closing tag for new, void elements - for legacy compatibility = XHTML alignment -- closed
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/156
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-156: Permit closing tag for new, void elements - for legacy compatibility = XHTML alignment - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
paulc: closed without prejudice
as we did not receive any change proposals
... any questions?
... Items Closing This Week
... four issues closed yesterday
issue-157?
<trackbot> ISSUE-157 -- A comprehensive, semantic image map specification -- closed
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/157
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-157: A comprehensive, semantic image map specification - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
paulc: closed as no change proposals were received
issue-158?
<trackbot> ISSUE-158 -- HTML4's content-model for <object> should continue -- closed
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/158
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-158: HTML4s content-model for should continue - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
paulc: no proposals were received, and closed without prejudice
issue-160?
<trackbot> ISSUE-160 -- Remove restriction on command element as part of a menu -- raised
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/160
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-160: Remove restriction on command element as part of a menu - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
paulc: also closed yesterday, and was closed as no change proposal was provided
issue-161?
<trackbot> ISSUE-161 -- Create document defining mappings from html elements to platform accessibility apis -- closed
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/161
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-161: Create document defining mappings from html elements to platform accessibility apis - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
paulc: change proposals closed yesterday, and steve issued a late change proposal and the chairs will have to deal with the late submission
<MikeSmith> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2011Feb/0212.html
<pimpbot> Title: change proposal for issue 161 from Steve Faulkner on 2011-02-24 (public-html-a11y@w3.org from February 2011) (at lists.w3.org)
<paulc_> Late proposal: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2011Feb/0407.html
<pimpbot> Title: change proposal for issue 161 from Steve Faulkner on 2011-02-24 (public-html@w3.org from February 2011) (at lists.w3.org)
<pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 12175] the order of the loadedmetadata, loadeddata and suspend event is not defined <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Feb/0966.html> 4** [Bug 12175] New: the order of the loadedmetadata, loadeddata and suspend event is not defined <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Feb/0965.html>
paulc: the chairs will have to
evaluate whether accepting this issue will prejudice the
ability for others to provide a counter proposal by the
deadline
... lets take this offline
issue-144?
<trackbot> ISSUE-144 -- <u> should be conforming -- open
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/144
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-144: should be conforming - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
paulc: call for revisions closes today
paulc: in each of these, if we don't receive an alternate we will call for consensus
issue-120?
<trackbot> ISSUE-120 -- Use of prefixes is too complicated for a Web technology -- open
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/120
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-120: Use of prefixes is too complicated for a Web technology - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
paulc: call is due Mar 3
issue-139?
<trackbot> ISSUE-139 -- HTML5 spec mentions Microdata in Acknowledgements -- open
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/139
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-139: HTML5 spec mentions Microdata in Acknowledgements - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
paulc: also due Mar 3
issue-140?
<trackbot> ISSUE-140 -- clarify the applicability of the term "conforming document" in cases where "applicable specifications" had been used to augment or change the base HTML5 specification -- open
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/140
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-140: clarify the applicability of the term "conforming document" in cases where "applicable specifications" had been used to augment or change the base HTML5 specification - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
paulc: alternate or counter proposals also due mar 3
issue-142?
<trackbot> ISSUE-142 -- No alternative text description for video key frame (poster) -- open
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/142
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-142: No alternative text description for video key frame (poster) - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
paulc: alternate or counter proposals also due mar 3
issue-145?
<trackbot> ISSUE-145 -- use of "codecs" parameter -- open
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/145
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-145: use of "codecs" parameter - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
paulc: alternate or counter proposals also due mar 3
julian: the text that 145 affects was removed due to bug 11984
<pimpbot> 11http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=11984 contributor, P3, REOPENED, 13Simplify <video> for implementors and authors by ignoring the Content-Type HTTP header
ISSUE-9?
<trackbot> ISSUE-9 -- how accessibility works for <video> is unclear -- open
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/9
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-9: how accessibility works for is unclear - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2011Feb/0410.html
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-9 video-accessibility: Call for Consensus to close in favor of specific issues, or Alternate/Counter-Proposals from Maciej Stachowiak on 2011-02-24 (public-html@w3.org from February 2011) (at lists.w3.org)
<paulc_> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2011Feb/0410.html
issue-119?
<trackbot> ISSUE-119 -- Certain relationships take on a special meaning when repeated; other solutions may be cleaner -- open
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/119
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-119: Certain relationships take on a special meaning when repeated; other solutions may be cleaner - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
paulc: this is pending the chairs decision on 118
issue-155?
<trackbot> ISSUE-155 -- make <table border="1" cellpadding="10" cellspacing="0"> conforming -- open
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/155
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-155: make conforming - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
<paulc_> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2011Feb/0375.html
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-155 table-border - Chairs Solicit Alternate Proposals or Counter-Proposals from Sam Ruby on 2011-02-23 (public-html@w3.org from February 2011) (at lists.w3.org)
paulc: a call for alternate/counter proposals was issued, due 22 Mar
issue-124?
<trackbot> ISSUE-124 -- nofollow/noreferrer not allowed on <link> -- open
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/124
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-124: nofollow/noreferrer not allowed on - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
paulc: poll closes Feb 28
issue-125?
<trackbot> ISSUE-125 -- Requirement to break RFC 2616 compliance with respect to single quotes not needed for legacy content -- open
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/125
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-125: Requirement to break RFC 2616 compliance with respect to single quotes not needed for legacy content - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
paulc: poll also closes Feb 28
issue-130?
<trackbot> ISSUE-130 -- allow tables to be used for layout purposes -- open
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/130
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-130: allow tables to be used for layout purposes - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
paulc: poll also closes Feb 28
issue-89?
<trackbot> ISSUE-89 -- Remove Section 4.12 Common Idioms without dedicated Elements -- closed
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/89
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-89: Remove Section 4.12 Common Idioms without dedicated Elements - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
<paulc_> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2011Feb/0372.html
<pimpbot> Title: Working Group Decision on ISSUE-89 from Sam Ruby on 2011-02-22 (public-html@w3.org from February 2011) (at lists.w3.org)
issue-118?
<trackbot> ISSUE-118 -- Specification breaks semantics of existing link relations "index" and "first" -- open
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/118
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-118: Specification breaks semantics of existing link relations "index" and "first" - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
paulc: chairs have a draft
decision, and should post it either today or tomorrow
... this issue is linked to issue 119
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=11447
<pimpbot> 1111447: laura.lee.carlson, P2, NEW, 13Please document in the decision policy the procedure for reopening an issue
paulc: the bug is a request from
Laura Carlson; the chairs have a consensus on how to proceed;
we simply need to document it
... essentially we need a clear indication that there is new
information, and we would prefer that any request be
accompanied with a change proposal so that we can restart in
step 3
... we have been applying that to issue-30
issue-30?
<trackbot> ISSUE-30 -- Should HTML 5 include a longdesc attribute for images -- closed
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/30
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-30: Should HTML 5 include a longdesc attribute for images - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
<paulc_> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2011Feb/0362.html
<pimpbot> Title: Request to reopen HTML-ISSUE-30 from Laura Carlson on 2011-02-22 (public-html@w3.org from February 2011) (at lists.w3.org)
paulc: we have requested that the
new information be clearly identified; the request already was
accompanied by a change proposal
... the consensus of the chairs is that this will be reopened
(if it is) that it will be reopened as a last call item
rubys: laura has provided the identification of what is new information
paulc: we should be able to resolve this in the next day or so
bug 11984?
<pimpbot> 11http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=11984 contributor, P3, REOPENED, 13Simplify <video> for implementors and authors by ignoring the Content-Type HTTP header
paulc: the editor made a change to suggest that user agents should sniff; we seem to have differing opinions within the working group...
mjs: we are going to officially ask for a revert, that will be done shortly; we previously had reopened the issue
paulc: (to julian) how do you think this affects issue-145?
julian: we should remind people about the deadline for issue-145
paulc: we should put that in our
note requesting the revert
... any other comments?
paulc: it is sam's turn to chair,
any volunteers to scribe?
... adrian volunteers to scribe
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