SVG Working Group Teleconference -- 13 Jan 2011

<trackbot> Date: 13 January 2011

<ChrisL> First!

<scribe> ScribeNick: Anthony

<scribe> Scribe: Anthony

Telcom time

CL: It is not very convenient because it runs into the WOFF call
... it doesn't overlap
... and I could manage it
... no objection though

CM: It's fine for me as well

ED: It's no problem for me

AG: I'm ok with that

DS: That would be fine

CM: Replied to Pat's email but forgot to CC the list

CL: Wait it would overlap with first half hour of WOFF

CM: Might be bad for Anthony

AG: I can turn up 30mins earlier

CM: We'll tentatively set the time to be one day and a half hour earlier than it is currently

CL: What about Tav?

DS: Should be ok

CM: Someone should mail the list

DS: And we are still be having the bi-weekly FX call

CM: I'll email the list

SVG 1.1 2nd Edition

CL: I noticed that there was an action that was not on the wiki
... it was about the media type registration
... I've now closed it

<heycam> (this is the media type registration)

<heycam> ACTION-2816?

<trackbot> ACTION-2816 -- Anthony Grasso to look into ISSUE-2339 and report back -- due 2010-07-13 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/actions/2816

AG: Started looking into this

<heycam> ACTION-2811?

<trackbot> ACTION-2811 -- Erik Dahlström to determine new wording for ISSUE-2334 (filter sub-regions) -- due 2010-07-13 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/actions/2811

<ed> ISSUE-2334?

<trackbot> ISSUE-2334 -- Last Call Comment: filter primitive subregion and feGaussianBlur, feTile and infinite filter input images -- raised

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2334

ED: I did half of it
... Just before the call I checked in an updated version of the published directory
... the change I made was for the last half of the comment
... which was about defining what a tile was
... the first half has an agreement from ROC
... and I need to come up with some wording for that

<heycam> ACTION-2911?

<trackbot> ACTION-2911 -- Tavmjong Bah to finish the response to Dr Olaf regarding ISSUE-2338 and fix the issues highlighted by Dr Olaf -- due 2010-11-25 -- CLOSED

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/actions/2911

<heycam> ACTION-2834?

<trackbot> ACTION-2834 -- Doug Schepers to clarify section 16.5 Processing order for user interface events relating to problems in ISSUE-2364 -- due 2010-09-10 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/actions/2834

DS: I'm about half done with it
... I was struggling how to word that section
... I'm going to make a set of tests once I'm done with the wording

CM: Can you make the tests last, as we may not be adding more tests

DS: I don't expect them to be part of the released test suite
... just would like to make some tests

<heycam> ACTION-2917?

<trackbot> ACTION-2917 -- Patrick Dengler to review Issue 2384 and decide if the change to the test and the text is reasonable -- due 2010-12-09 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/actions/2917

CM: Not sure what the status of that is
... I think last telcon we had we reminded him to have a look at the text
... I'm not sure if he has replied back if it is expectable or not

<heycam> ACTION-2910?

<trackbot> ACTION-2910 -- Chris Lilley to cleanup changes appendix for SVG Full 1.1 2nd Edition -- due 2010-11-25 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/actions/2910

CL: So what I did was I checked in the changes appendix
... with all the content removed
... then I started checking all the individual chapters
... by doing diffs
... I've saved the text file with the diffs
... part way done

<ed> http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/publish/changes.html

<heycam> ACTION-2921?

<trackbot> ACTION-2921 -- Chris Lilley to bring the 1.2 changes for bidi and text anchor back to the 1.1 spec -- due 2010-12-16 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/actions/2921

CL: Done that
... sent an email about it
... I ported across two sections
... and brought across two examples

<ed> http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/publish/text.html

ED: Text chapter?

CL: Yes

<ed> http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/publish/text.html#RelationshipWithBiDirectionality

CL: both examples render in Opera

<ed> http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/publish/images/text/rtl-text.svg (borken link)

ED: The published version doesn't seem to find the SVG files

DS: How are we managing the publishing

CL: Being run every now and again
... I run it every now and again, but depends on the change

ED: Need to do a CVS add manually
... the link is broken probably because it wasn't added to publish

<heycam> http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/master/images/text/rtl-text.svg

ED: this needs to be done manually

<heycam> http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/master/images/text/rtl-complex.svg

<ChrisL> http://www.w3.org/2010/09/SVG1.1SE-LastCall/dump.html

Disposition of Comments

CL: I updated it just recently

CM: Lets go through each unfinished one

<ed> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-svg/2010Jul/0009.html

ED: Robert says he's ok with this one

CL: The next one seems to be 2339

CM: That is Anthony's one we were talking about

<heycam> http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2346

<heycam> http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/actions/2908

CM: Action is pending review
... all the comments on the issues say it's done

CL: Ok, now sorted

CM: So in the comments in tracker has it noted if responses have been sent
... I'm just wondering if we have done the action
... but not recorded it in the tool

CL: I think some of ones is because of say a typo and there is no point in replying back and saying thanks for fixing the typo

pointer-events on root, inline and referenced

pointer-events on root, inline and reference

Mapping Task Force

DS: If someone clicks on SVG and they click on the area outside of the circle
... what happens depending oh where the document lives
... so if it is standalone, or if it is part of html
... or reference the SVG in the html

<ChrisL> A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds

DS: the question is does SVG have a background?
... does it pass through the SVG to the underlaying document

CM: I can see how there would be a background there if you give it a background colour

DS: I was wondering if someone could remind me what the decision was

CM: Wondering if the pointer events on HTML come into play

ED: It was part of the discussion at the last F2F

DS: I guess the only answer we can have for the last call comment is it is undefined

ISSUE-2364?

<ed> ISSUE-2364?

<trackbot> ISSUE-2364 -- Last Call Comment: SVG 1.1 may be ambiguous about the root element acting as a proximal event target -- raised

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2364

<trackbot> ISSUE-2364 -- Last Call Comment: SVG 1.1 may be ambiguous about the root element acting as a proximal event target -- raised

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2364

CM: If this was discussed at length was there any resolution in the minutes?

DS: I looked through the minutes and could not find a clear resolution

<shepazu> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-svg/2010Aug/0028.html

DS: This is the original email
... I think what we will say for SVG 1.1 that it is undefined
... and say that it is a larger issue that we will address in SVG 2

CL: we don't want to add something in SVG 1.1 that will conflict with SVG 2

DS: What do people want me to say on this matter?
... I guess we are treating it as a last call comment

ED: Say that it will be dealt with in the integration specification
... I don't see how it is a pressing issue

CM: If the comment is dealing with the non-integration case, we can just leave it

RESOLUTION: We will define the pointer event testing behaviour for root elements in the Integration specification for SVG 2

ED: We will probably have to work with people in CSS on this issue as well

DS: Pointer events doesn't cover the case where you've tab-ed to it

CM: So things which are focusable

DS: Does pointer event effect things that gain focus?

CM: That would be something separate

Next Face-to-face

<heycam> http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/19480/SVGAuckland2011/

CM: There is the registration form for everyone to fill out
... you'll see in the form there I've put some extra notes there
... which we haven't had in some previous face-to-faces
... this is deadline for requesting agenda topics
... and to prepare materials
... so preparing material may be putting some information up on a wiki
... I'd like to see particular things to discuss
... For specification that have not been written up have ideas or proposals on the wiki
... would be good
... TC39 - ECMA script group have a process like this
... Two important dates for the face-to-face
... is three weeks before to have a list of the agenda items
... and then two weeks before is to have material up on the wiki
... So, have a think about the topics you'd like to discuss and if you are a person behind a specification then I'd expect you to write up the material for the page

SVG Mapping Taskforce

<shepazu> mapping task force: http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/wiki/Mapping http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/map/map-charter.html

DS: This is a topic I spoke to Andreas about
... because we'd seen an interest in mapping build up again in SVG

<ChrisL> Polymaps http://polymaps.org/

DS: Chris and I approached Andreas about the idea of an SVG Mapping taskforce
... It would be a subgroup of this group

<ChrisL> SVG Map consortium http://blog.svg-map.com/2007/03/about_establish.html

DS: It would be finding use case and requirements
... and suggesting features for SVG 2
... I put together a sort of a wiki page and a charter
... it would not require advisory committee

CL: Since we are rechartering, we should put that in
... so we can easily make a taskforce
... I dropped in a link of supporters

DS: There are other potential companies
... that may be interested

<ChrisL> http://www.openstreetmap.org/

DS: it could be applicable to other technologies
... I think there is a lot of potential interest
... It would probably be good for us to think about broader cases
... the question is do we want to start this taskforce?

CM: I think bringing mapping people together for this is a good idea
... I think a few years ago we considered putting mapping modules on Tiny but without the mapping people
... it's a bit difficult
... Having Andreas involved is a good idea

RESOLUTION: We will continue to explore the idea of a Mapping Taskforce

<ChrisL> international cartographic association, comission on maps and the internet http://maps.unomaha.edu/ica/Maps&Internet/Members/list.html

Test suite

CM: I added results for Fire Fox nightly build
... So we have Microsoft, Opera, Inkscape and Fire Fox

CL: Who is doing Batik?

CM: I was going to start looking at those today

CL: I have been going through the ones of Abbra

ED: Do we have someone doing Chrome or Safari?

DS: I could do either

CL: Which is the best webkit based implementation?

CM: Going to be mostly the same, some differences in Java script engine
... In an email I listed a number of issues with tests
... there are a couple of changes that need to be made
... and there are a few where we are not going to change our implementation to pass the test
... or somethings we disagree with
... there is one test at least which doesn't have any implementations passing it at all
... before I started looking at Batik, I noted we had 80 tests that didn't pass
... just wondering what we do about them

CL: Until we have Batik and Safari it's hard to say
... we need the full test results before we figure out what to do

<shepazu> trackbot, end telcon

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SVG Working Group Teleconference

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