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<antoine> Previous: http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/12/02-lld-minutes.html
<antoine> Scribe: Jeff
<antoine> scribenick: jeff_
<antoine> previous call: http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/12/02-lld-minutes.html
RESOLUTION: accept minutes of previous meeting
<scribe> ACTION: Remove PAUL WALK'S TOOL AND ANALYSIS from Agenda [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/12/02-lld-minutes.html#action02] [DONE]
<scribe> ACTION: Antoine to add "LOD curriculum" into "recommendations" section of Outline, and benefits into an Introduction [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/12/02-lld-minutes.html#action03]
<scribe> --DONE
antoine: focus is on archives today
<antoine> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/UseCases#Cluster:_Archives_and_heterogeneous_data
<uldis> Zakim: ??39 is me
<emma> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Cluster_Archives
<kcoyle> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Cluster_Archives
karen: talk about cases first for
archives
... goal is targeted for other intitutions as much as end
users... bring together consortium
antoine: is there overlap between library and archive data?
emma: yes, linked data can be
used to federate access data across library archives and
museums
... want to relate those items via "subject", "people",
"places", etc.
... archives linking heterogeneous materials
karen: topics, making connections between disperate things, but which are related in topical ways
<antoine> context?
emma: this cluster is unique because it isn't concerned with common metadata vocabularies, it's more about context
<marcia> +emma
archive people refer to "context" in a more formal way
karen: different kind of goals for archives
<emma> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Cluster_Archives
emma: this link includes goals
and discussion. from publisher and user POVs
... DESCRIBE is about creating information
... SHARE object descriptions. The idea is to share between
insitutions as much as communicate with end users
... Want to map or share common models
<antoine> +1 FEDERATE as a kind of DISCOVER/SEARCH
emma: MANAGE: is different from discovery
antoine: these goals seem to be higher level
karen: the goal of the cataloging
function
... DESCRIBE is broader than identification
emma: DESCRIBE is seen as separate from relating
antoine: FEDERATE vs.
AGGREGATE?
... AGGREGATE is a "means" for FEDERATE
<Asaf> there's federate, and there's federated search.
karen: there are subtle differences in meaning
<Asaf> to me, federate is the one-time establishing of an interface between two data stores, which would facilitate future federated searches.
emma: specify clusters of related resources affects the perception
Asaf: FEDERATE puts interface in
place
... could be a federated SPARQL query
karen: need to define these terms clearly
<Asaf> FEDERATE: offer search capability over mutiple data sources
emma: FEDERATE assumes several stores and is thus different from AGGREGATE
karen: both fall under search and discovery?
antoine: AGGREGATE is an act on its own
<marcia> federated seemed to target to make deep web documents searchable
karen: FEDERATE is performs an act on more than one store
<marcia> those not on surface to be aggregated by, for example, search engines
emma: these goals may not align
with general goals
... these seem to be higher-level
<monica> one other way to define federate and aggregate is, federate is send a search term to remote source, and bring back only results, aggregate is to pool all possible metadata locally then do the search
antoine: it seems OK to add them and worry about merging them later
<marcia> I am in meeting
<marcia> *in meeting all day
<monica> that's a specific Z39.50 vs OAI-PMH distinction though so will probably apply to only a subset of our audiences
antoine: marcia is invited to follow up via email
<marcia> * OK.
antoine: eureopeana may fall into several of these use cases
emma: want to go through the concrete use cases again to make sure they are covered in abstract use cases
<marcia> *need to go now. Will folow up on email.
antoine: all are encourage to send feedback
emma: need a template for curating clusters?
<emma> see citation cluster http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Cluster_Citations
antoine: citation cluster is well
aligned to suggestion last week
... 1) background
... 2) extracted use cases and scenarios
3) relevant technologies and vocabularies
scribe: but allow for some
freedom
... it seems possible that all clusters could move in this
direction
<edsu> kai: thanks
<scribe> ACTION: Citation cluster group to place Google Docs document into XG Wiki [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/12/02-lld-minutes.html#action01] [DONE]
<edsu> emma pasted above
<antoine> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Cluster_Citations
ed: tried to take Google docs and
reformulate it into the Wiki
... scenarios section and a use case section
... vocabularies section
... and a section at the end for miscellaneous
antoine: sections seem to align better with archives cluster
ed: feedback is welcome
<scribe> ACTION: Monica and JISC colleagues to introduce and discuss JISC work on next call [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/11/25-lld-minutes.html#action02] [CONTINUES]
<scribe> ACTION: Volunteers to send login information (openid credentials) to William Waite to curate LLD group on CKAN [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/11/25-lld-minutes.html#action04]
antoine: what is the status?
ww: when you make your account
profile, fill in your name
... contact ww to be added as curator
antoine: need more
volunteers
... this is an important way to structure the community
<scribe> --CONTINUES
<scribe> ACTION: Volunteers to send login information (openid credentials) to William Waite to curate LLD group on CKAN [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/11/25-lld-minutes.html#action04] [CONTINUES]
<ww> kcoyle++
karen: is there a tag to bring together bibliographic datasets
<edsu> thanks karen, i was missing that too :-)
<jodi> maybe it's in ww's instructions?
<jodi> I'm not sure--but if we choose one, let's add i there!
<jodi> it
karen: way to connect "linked" and "bibliographic" datasets
ww: we need a convention
... the intersection between bibliographic and linked is
LLD
... wrote a tool to check properties to see if they are
dereferencable. It would be better to mark them as such.
<emma> twitter tag is lldata
<Asaf> ww: is the tool world-accessible?
<ww> http://ckan.net/group/lld
<Asaf> thanks
<ww> http://packages.python.org/curate/
ww: tool is rough, but will get better
<edsu> sorry i missed the wiki page for instructions, i see the ckan group page links to http://esw.w3.org/TaskForces/CommunityProjects/LinkingOpenData/DataSets/CKANmetainformation ?
<jodi> http://esw.w3.org/TaskForces/CommunityProjects/LinkedLibraryData/Datasets/CKANmetainformation
<jodi> http://esw.w3.org/TaskForces/CommunityProjects/LinkingOpenData/DataSets/CKANmetainformation
<jodi> someone needs to be tasked with coming up with a tag, I guess
ww: suggestion is that CKAN should inherit general tags and develop more specific as needed
RESOLUTION: need to tag dataset with LLD in CKAN and add it to the LLD group
contact ww to become a member with details of open-id and set name in CKAN profile
karen: how to take existing sets and add them to our group?
ww: need to add from the LLD page. Instructions to follow...
<jodi> bye!
<edsu> cheers
<aconstan> bye
<monica> bye
<antoine> ACTION: Antoine to add "LOD curriculum" into "recommendations" section of Outline, and benefits into an Introduction [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/12/02-lld-minutes.html#action03] [DONE]
<antoine> ACTION: Volunteers to send login information (openid credentials) to William Waite to curate LLD group on CKAN [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/11/25-lld-minutes.html#action04] [DONE]
<antoine> ACTION: Volunteers to send login information (openid credentials) to William Waite to curate LLD group on CKAN [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/11/25-lld-minutes.html#action04] [CONTINUES]
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