HTML-A11Y telecon

08 Dec 2010

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Janina, Judy, [Microsoft], Eric_Carlson, Plh, John_Foliot


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Actions Review http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/open

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Candidate Formats Report http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/TextFormat_Pros_Cons_Overview#Summary_o

jf: Concerned whether concerns expressed in email have been captured in this doc
... Seems Sean's changes are there
... Does seem there were changes made
... Seems Sean, Silvia, and Geoff have edited this doc

discussion whether correct characterization of ttml profiling is captured in the doc

ec: fairly confident that current wording reflect's Sean's view
... Strongly believe Sean's view is that the basic profile contains all we need.

jb: Aren't most formats tricky to author? Is WebSRT easy to author?

ec: Yes, easy

jf: Feel authoring by hand is a red herring
... Good tools are available.

ec: There are strong opinions to the contrary as well, though. Just pointing out that people strongly diverge on this.

jf: Any reason not to move this forward with the proviso that it's still open to additional input?

jb: So, we know that Sean, Silvia, and Geoff have edited the doc, and have met their obligations to get this done
... Only remaining concern is that we have email saying Paul Cotton would join the call to speak to this. Perhaps he will still come.
... Does anyone object to moving this forward?

no objection heard

pc: Nothing to share on this doc.

jf: Shall we forward this doc?

<JF> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/TextFormat_Pros_Cons_Overview

<Judy> +1

No objections. We'll forward this on.

Janina will forwrd.

Poster Issue http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2010Dec/0054.html

ec: Spec asks poster to be shown until media is available
... spec doesn't mandate behavior -- webkit currently shows first frame of video whether or not autoplay is on
... I don't understand why page author should usedifferent ml for external poster vs first frame of video

jf: first frame of video is direct relation to video

ec: absolutely not--anything can go there
... why should there be different ml based on whether the poster is embedded?

js: asks for confirmation

ec: yes, whether external or first frame of video, ml should be the same. this is crucial

jb: we could use zindex

ec: but that's a different situation

jf: but that's what authors will do
... we can say that's not the intent, but they will because they can
... my concern is that poster will be misunderstood

ec: so how do you ml? where it's the poster image that has nothing to do with the rest of the video?

jf: alt is the text on screen
... if there's confusion among people very close to this now, how will authors be less so?
... suggest either summary or aria-describedby most suitable

ec: excellent idea

jf: so that alt on video is unsupported ...
... so that we have all kinds of things inside the video elements -- tracks, poster etc.
... a poster element s child element of video

<paulc> I have to go to another meeting.

Thanks, Paul

<paulc> My apologies for arriving late and leaving early.

jf: all the supporting bits of the presentation are within the video tag

ec: terrible idea -- seems we won't agree

jf: it's self explanatory

jb: are there other opinions on this?
... it's certainly important to understand the user needs and then to line engineering up with that

ec: john, do you think having different ml would not be confusing?


jf: so video should take alt?

ec: no
... only that textual description of the element should be there however the image is rendered--whether the image is embedded or a separate file

jf: we need to tell authors that first frame is treated the same way as an external jpg or png

ec: not an image element

jf: but an image file

ec: describing the poster isn't enough, we need the video described too

jf: don't know how to answer this any further at this point ...

ec: poster as first frame will be very common

jf: don't think that's the only scenario

Summary of Action Items

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