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<scribe> agenda: this
<scribe> scribe: janina
<JF> hello
we're here
jf: Concerned whether concerns
expressed in email have been captured in this doc
... Seems Sean's changes are there
... Does seem there were changes made
... Seems Sean, Silvia, and Geoff have edited this doc
discussion whether correct characterization of ttml profiling is captured in the doc
ec: fairly confident that current
wording reflect's Sean's view
... Strongly believe Sean's view is that the basic profile
contains all we need.
jb: Aren't most formats tricky to author? Is WebSRT easy to author?
ec: Yes, easy
jf: Feel authoring by hand is a
red herring
... Good tools are available.
ec: There are strong opinions to the contrary as well, though. Just pointing out that people strongly diverge on this.
jf: Any reason not to move this forward with the proviso that it's still open to additional input?
jb: So, we know that Sean,
Silvia, and Geoff have edited the doc, and have met their
obligations to get this done
... Only remaining concern is that we have email saying Paul
Cotton would join the call to speak to this. Perhaps he will
still come.
... Does anyone object to moving this forward?
no objection heard
pc: Nothing to share on this doc.
jf: Shall we forward this doc?
<JF> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/TextFormat_Pros_Cons_Overview
<Judy> +1
No objections. We'll forward this on.
Janina will forwrd.
ec: Spec asks poster to be shown
until media is available
... spec doesn't mandate behavior -- webkit currently shows
first frame of video whether or not autoplay is on
... I don't understand why page author should usedifferent ml
for external poster vs first frame of video
jf: first frame of video is direct relation to video
ec: absolutely not--anything can
go there
... why should there be different ml based on whether the
poster is embedded?
js: asks for confirmation
ec: yes, whether external or first frame of video, ml should be the same. this is crucial
jb: we could use zindex
ec: but that's a different situation
jf: but that's what authors will
do
... we can say that's not the intent, but they will because
they can
... my concern is that poster will be misunderstood
ec: so how do you ml? where it's the poster image that has nothing to do with the rest of the video?
jf: alt is the text on
screen
... if there's confusion among people very close to this now,
how will authors be less so?
... suggest either summary or aria-describedby most
suitable
ec: excellent idea
jf: so that alt on video is
unsupported ...
... so that we have all kinds of things inside the video
elements -- tracks, poster etc.
... a poster element s child element of video
<paulc> I have to go to another meeting.
Thanks, Paul
<paulc> My apologies for arriving late and leaving early.
jf: all the supporting bits of the presentation are within the video tag
ec: terrible idea -- seems we won't agree
jf: it's self explanatory
jb: are there other opinions on
this?
... it's certainly important to understand the user needs and
then to line engineering up with that
ec: john, do you think having different ml would not be confusing?
No
jf: so video should take alt?
ec: no
... only that textual description of the element should be
there however the image is rendered--whether the image is
embedded or a separate file
jf: we need to tell authors that first frame is treated the same way as an external jpg or png
ec: not an image element
jf: but an image file
ec: describing the poster isn't enough, we need the video described too
jf: don't know how to answer this any further at this point ...
ec: poster as first frame will be very common
jf: don't think that's the only scenario
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