<klotz> nick are you calling in?

yes

<klotz> dshabano, hello. This is W3C Forms.

<dshabano> hi klotz

<klotz> dshabano can you let us know who you are?

<scribe> scribe: nick

<klotz> scribe: nick

<klotz> scribenick: nick

Meetings in december

klotz: steven is off for the remainder of the year

pfennell: I won't be around for the 22th and 29th

nick: 29th I won't be available

Alain_: 29th no

klotz: 29th we will cancel
... the 22th is a maybe, we will decide next week
... 15th we will have a meeting
... January 6th is on too

New last call for CSS 2.1

klotz: does anybody wants to review it
... we will bring it up again next week

select1 and whitespace handling

nick: it is about trimming the values

<John_Boyer> http://www.w3.org/TR/xforms11/#ui-selectOne

Kurt: for select space is a separator so no spaces are allowed in the values

klotz: for select1 we support spaces inside the value

kurt: how does it behave in xf:input

klotz: when you type spaces they will be put in the instance

John_Boyer: I would expect the spaces are part of the value

<klotz> "For both closed and open selections, any selection item with a storage value which is empty or which contains only white space characters must remain deselected."

klotz: In select one there is text about empty and only spaces

<klotz> Erik we are on this http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms/2010Dec/0002.html

<ebruchez> thanks

klotz: why is there an exception for empty

John_Boyer: we don't match empty in select controls

klotz: so we can't have a label for empty

John_Boyer: you are correct leigh

klotz: I wonder if it isn't copied from select

John_Boyer: I don't think so

klotz: the sentences are in both select and select1

nick: for select1 we support a label for an empty value
... most of the time it is 'None'

John_Boyer: you can't select an empty value, because it looks broken to the end user when you use required and have something selected is now invalid
... in the open case you don't select anything when you type the empty value
... to go back to the question, we don't talk about trimming the value before comparing the value

Kurt: Is there a way to specify a label for the empty value

klotz: that is the follow up question on which nick said that they implemented it, we should also discuss the out of range

<klotz> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms/2010Dec/0002.html

<scribe> ACTION: klotz to respond http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms/2010Dec/0002.html [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/12/08-forms-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - klotz

http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/xforms/users

<scribe> ACTION: klotz to send an e-mail about white space collapse on the select1 control [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/12/08-forms-minutes.html#action02]

<trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - klotz

JSON

Alain_: I want to add extra elements
... we added the root element I would like to add it in a specific namespace
... There is a problem with names that can be specified as an element name, we have a special name attribute, it should also be in a specific namespace
... I want to change the behavior of local-name and full-name functions to take the json name attribute into acount

nick: I'm opposed to changing behavior of standard xpath functions
... we could add an xf:json-name() functions

Alain_: we need to distinguish between named and un-named arrays
... I will post the examples to illustrate how I worked around the array problem
... There is problem with empty array I use xsi:nil to detect it
... we should add a function xf:is-json-arry and xf:is-empty-array
... summarize: I use xsi:type, and added an extra attribute to signal an array

kurt: What prior art exists for mapping JSON and XML

klotz: In the agenda we have a history on the JSON support in XForms the 'standardized' conversions are all kind of fish like badgerfish
... but we have another goal we want the JSON to survive the round trip
... there are xpath extra functions, extra elements and extra attributes
... In which state is your XML prague paper

Alain_: it is almost finished

klotz: Could you send an e-mail with a short overview of the changes to the list

<scribe> ACTION: Alain to send the main changes needed to support JSON in XForms to mailing list [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/12/08-forms-minutes.html#action03]

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klotz: We will discuss the XML dev thread on next call

http://lists.xml.org/archives/xml-dev/201012/threads.html

<dshabano> I have question: is it possible to use <select> RESTful way?

<dshabano> items list quite big, RESTful style can solve it for me, but can't find it at spec ...

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