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<trackbot> Date: 06 December 2010
<scribe> meeting: W3C HTML Canvas Accessibility meeting
<scribe> meeting: make log public
<scribe> scribe: Rich
<scribe> ACTION: Rich review Charles draft of the canvas 2D API [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/12/06-html-a11y-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-91 - Review Charles draft of the canvas 2D API [on Richard Schwerdtfeger - due 2010-12-13].
david: I am not sure if the real
issue is about privacy or the author doing the wrong
... they want to be shown what the award is and how it outweighs the list
charles: Robert did come up with
a solution that fits within the specifications
... this will make things slower
... Robert said it was quick to code.
david: have you had any further discussion
charles: Mozilla internally had
made this policy decision a while ago
... the data is actually exposed and you have to do nasty hacks to get it.
... I can't get past the fact that they want to make it difficult
... they don't appear to want to address it
... I have the same issue in webkit
... Google wants the standard
... If Mozilla won't engage they won't comply
david: was there any discussion prior to the canvas context
charles: I believe so.
... we seem stuck
david: I will see them in person
... if you want me to contact them quickly I can deal with internally now.
charles: it would be good to not
to have to hack this
... I would like to see the mIcrosoft solution in webkit as well
<Downchuck> hi frank
Charles: I can't do the hack on Webkit. When sidebars go in I am stuck on webkit.
<frankolivier> Hello all
we are going to get to editing in a minute
charles: they need to give more credence to accessibility experts on this.
Charles: on the list they said it was unnecessary to have both X and Y scaling. Is there a use case for X and Y scaling?
Frank: this was in IE 6
... I could not find internal documentation
... I could not see why we would have non-square pixels on the device.
Rich: there was a concern over exposing the language as a privacy issue
Frank: If you have a custom
dictionary you would not want to expose that to web pages
... it is easy for the web page to identify my private dictionary
Charles: it occurs to me that when browsing icognito ...
Frank: this is most acute in
... this is a general problem in the HTML spec.
... you can actually get a pretty unique fingerprint of those browsing the web
<davidb> david: agree
Rich: we could simply create elements for the <canvas>, <spell>, <grammar>
<spell> foob </spell>
Rich: this could allow the web author the page outside the user's dictionary
charles: this only says this range is misspelled
<davidb> i have to go
<Downchuck> happy fridge day
frank: so, the author would have
to keep track of visually where the stuff was on the
... no platform convention
<scribe> ACTION: Rich write a high level write up of the use of elements to annotate the canvas subtree to support caret, spell and grammar checkers [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/12/06-html-a11y-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-92 - Write a high level write up of the use of elements to annotate the canvas subtree to support caret, spell and grammar checkers [on Richard Schwerdtfeger - due 2010-12-13].
Rich: Charles is suggesting that we not initialize certain elements in the canvas subtree like IFrame
<Downchuck> Descendant elements which require initialization (e.g. img and iframe) MUST NOT be activated during page load.
<frankolivier> <ZZZ> Descendant elements which require initialization (e.g. img and iframe) shall not be initialized on page load. </ZZZ>
Frank: I think we would need to be more crisp on IFrame
Charles: I think IFrame is kind
of handled strange by other browsers
... Perhaps writing more would be helpful
Frank: we could say we support the Iframe but the source would be null
charles: what is the security issue
Frank: People override
... quick jacking
Charles: this would be like an IFrame not actually attached to the DOM
Frank: where is this discussed
Charles: wwdom and whatwg - not
... I don't like the idea of getting rid of the src="" ... the data may actually be useful like the image source
Rich: do you think you can improve the language?
... we need to support something like image with a src we do not want to break it
... will dig into IFrame
... I had one question regarding the test I sent
... when I hit the space bar on a checkbox it sent a mouse event with the coordinates that were off screen
Frank: I am looking at it now. Please send me a note of what you found
Rich: when do you all go on
... Last meeting in 2010 will be on December 13
<scribe> meeting: W3C HTML Canvas Accessibility Subteam
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