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19:59:49 Meeting: HTML Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
19:59:49 Date: 06 December 2010
20:00:10 meeting: W3C HTML Canvas Accessibility meeting
20:00:14 chair: Rich
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20:01:12 meeting: make log public
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20:02:35 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-canvas-api/2010OctDec/0055.html
20:02:46 scribe: Rich
20:03:12 Topic: 2D API update for caret and selection
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20:07:37 Action: Rich review Charles draft of the canvas 2D API
20:07:37 Created ACTION-91 - Review Charles draft of the canvas 2D API [on Richard Schwerdtfeger - due 2010-12-13].
20:08:29 Topic: Zooming
20:09:19 david: I am not sure if the real issue is about privacy or the author doing the wrong thing
20:09:43 david: they need to be gently shown what the award is and how it outweighs the list
20:10:07 charles: Robert did come up with a solution that fits within the specifications
20:10:14 charles: this will make things slower
20:10:35 Charles: Robert said it was quick to code.
20:10:46 david: have you had any further discussion
20:11:10 charles: Mozilla internally had made this policy decision a while ago
20:11:35 charles: the data is actually exposed and you have to do nasty hacks to get it.
20:11:53 charles: I can't get past the fact that they want to make it difficult
20:12:13 charles: they don't appear to want to address it
20:12:23 charles: I have the same issue in webkit
20:12:36 charles: g
20:12:43 Charles: Google wants the standard
20:12:55 Charles: If Mozilla won't engage they won't comply
20:13:12 david: was there any discussion prior to the canvas context
20:13:22 charles: I believe so.
20:13:54 charles: we seem stuck
20:14:04 david: I will see them in person next week
20:14:32 david: if you want me to deal with this quickly I can deal with internally now.
20:14:40 +[Microsoft]
20:14:48 charles: it would be good to not to have to hack this
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20:15:08 s/me to deal with this/me to contact them
20:15:22 charles: I would like to see the mIcrosoft solution in webkit as well
20:15:37 hi frank
20:16:17 hi Frank
20:16:58 Charles: I can't do the hack on Webkit. When sidebars go in I am stuck on webkit.
20:17:07 Hello all
20:17:11 Hi Frank
20:17:14 welcome
20:17:31 we are going to get to editing in a minute
20:18:10 charles: they need to give more credence to accessibility experts on this.
20:18:16 s/they need to be gently shown/they want to be shown
20:19:09 Rich: IE provides the logical DPI to JavaScript developers
20:19:41 Charles: on the list they said it was unnecessary to have both X and Y scaling. Is there a use case for X and Y scaling?
20:19:51 Frank: this was in IE 6
20:20:03 Frank: I could not find internal documentation
20:20:22 Frank: I could not see why we would have non-square pixels on the device.
20:21:14 Topic: ApI for getting selection, grammar, and spell checking ranges
20:22:44 Rich: there was a concern over exposing the language as a privacy issue
20:23:00 Frank: If you have a custom dictionary you would not want to expose that to web pages
20:23:25 Frank: it is easy for the web page to identify my private dictionary
20:23:48 Charles: it occurs to me that when browsing icognito ...
20:23:58 Frank: this is most acute in private mode.
20:24:09 frank: this is a general problem in the HTML spec.
20:24:27 Frank: you can actually get a pretty unique fingerprint of those browsing the web
20:25:24 david: agree
20:25:58 Rich: we could simply create elements for the