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HTML Weekly Teleconference

14 Oct 2010

Agenda

Attendees

Present
Julian, Sam, paulc, Mike, [Microsoft], Radhika_Roy, adrianba, krisk, eliot, +1.971.998.aaaa, +33.6.72.99.aabb, Janina_Sajka
Regrets
Gregory_Rosmaita
Chair
Paul Cotton
Scribe
Adrian Bateman

Contents


<pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 10799] drawImage/pattern filters underspecified <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Oct/2447.html> 4** [Bug 10575] It appears that parser-inserted scripts should block if an ancestor browsing context has a style sheet blocking scripts <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Oct/2446.html>

<pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 11035] Deleted SMS <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Oct/2449.html> 4** [Bug 11035] New: Deleted SMS <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Oct/2448.html>

<pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 11038] New: The site is very nice, but has significant color contrast issues. Many colors are well below the minimal contrast required by WCAG 2.0. <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Oct/2450.html>

<pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 11041] New: h <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Oct/2451.html>

<pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 10941] Media elements need control-independent "pause" for presenting lengthy descriptions/captions <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Oct/2456.html> 4** [Bug 11038] The site is very nice, but has significant color contrast issues. Many colors are well below the minimal contrast required by WCAG 2.0. <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Oct/2455.html> 4** [Bug 11041] h <11http://

<pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 10919] Allow role="presentation" to override the default role of any element <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Oct/2461.html> 4** [Bug 10450] Allow lists to be used as menus or tab sets <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Oct/2460.html> 4** [Bug 10320] [WebSRT voice] Allow an arbitrary string as the voice for forwards compatilbity <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-h

<pimpbot> changes: hixie: new example of nested disabled fieldsets (whatwg r5621) <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Oct/0083.html>

<pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 10320] [WebSRT voice] Allow an arbitrary string as the voice for forwards compatilbity <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Oct/2468.html> 4** [Bug 10809] i18n comment 3 : new attribute: submitdir <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Oct/2467.html> 4** [Bug 10812] i18n comment 7 : line breaks in textarea and pre elements <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2

<pimpbot> changes: hixie: <option selected> conformance requirements (whatwg r5623) <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Oct/0089.html> 4** webDB; hixie: update to new webidl terminology (whatwg r5622) <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Oct/0088.html> 4** webstorage; hixie: update to new webidl terminology (whatwg r5622) <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Oct/0087.html> 4** 2Dapi

<pimpbot> bugmail: "[Bug 10642] No alternative text description for video key frame (poster)" (2 messages in thread) <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Oct/2475.html> 4** "[Bug 10232] There is no "|selected| attribute is a boolean attribute"" (2 messages in thread) <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Oct/2473.html> 4** [Bug 11010] Terms for indexed/named properties in Web IDL changed <11http://lists.w3

<pimpbot> changes: hixie: compat rendering for <legend> with display:none (whatwg r5626) <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Oct/0092.html> 4** hixie: Define that <param> is dynamic (where the API supports that). (whatwg r5625) <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Oct/0091.html> 4** hixie: remove form.item() and form.namedItem() since 2/3 browsers I tested don't have it and removing them seems like a win. (what

<pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 10771] User agents disagree with each other and with the spec on rendering of multiple legends if the first one is styled <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Oct/2485.html> 4** [Bug 10905] clarify how assigning an accesskey to an element affects the elements default role <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Oct/2484.html> 4** [Bug 10771] User agents disagree with each other and wit

<pimpbot> changes: hixie: Drop DOMActivate (whatwg r5628) <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Oct/0094.html> 4** hixie: Apply WG decision (whatwg r5627) <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Oct/0093.html>

<pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 9895] HTMLImageElement's "complete" attribute definition implies immediate image decoding <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Oct/2493.html> 4** [Bug 10905] clarify how assigning an accesskey to an element affects the elements default role <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Oct/2492.html> 4** "[Bug 10899] DOMActivate is deprecated in DOM L3 Events" (2 messages in thread) <11http

<pimpbot> changes: hixie: MD exclusion (whatwg r5629) <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Oct/0098.html> 4** sam: Oops: s/32/89/ <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Oct/0097.html> 4** sam: Issue 32 survey is now complete <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Oct/0096.html> 4** sam: Issue 103 is now CLOSED <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Oct/0095.html>

<pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 9659] Initial U+0000 should not set frameset-ok to "not ok" <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Oct/2503.html> 4** [Bug 11032] HTMLPropertiesCollection shouldn't be callable <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Oct/2502.html> 4** [Bug 11031] Reference to non-existent interface HTMLPropertiesCollection <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Oct/2501.html>

<pimpbot> changes: hixie: Allow role=presentation everywhere (whatwg r5633) <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Oct/0102.html> 4** hixie: word-smithing (whatwg r5632) <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Oct/0101.html> 4** hixie: copypasta (whatwg r5631) <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Oct/0100.html> 4** hixie: suggest another alternative for longdesc (whatwg r5630) <11http://

<pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 10919] Allow role="presentation" to override the default role of any element <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Oct/2518.html> 4** [Bug 10066] replace section 3.2.6 with the alternative spec text provided (ARIA) <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Oct/2515.html> 4** [Bug 10919] Allow role="presentation" to override the default role of any element <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/

<pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 11045] U+0020 does not need to be escaped in srcdoc in XML <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Oct/2521.html> 4** [Bug 11045] New: U+0020 does not need to be escaped in srcdoc in XML <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Oct/2520.html> 4** [Bug 10809] i18n comment 3 : new attribute: submitdir <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Oct/2519.html>

<pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 10320] [WebSRT voice] Allow an arbitrary string as the voice for forwards compatilbity <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Oct/2525.html> 4** [Bug 11046] New: Which kind of data could be passed to this method. Could it be custom data types started with "application/"? <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Oct/2524.html> 4** [Bug 10914] Allow multiple space separated values for the A

<pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 10801] Limit the number of iterations in the loops in the AAA <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Oct/2528.html> 4** [Bug 10202] use of "codecs" parameter <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Oct/2527.html> 4** "[Bug 10320] [WebSRT voice] Allow an arbitrary string as the voice for forwards compatilbity" (2 messages in thread) <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugz

<pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 10802] Limit the number of identical items on the list of active formatting elements by removing previous duplicates when adding new items <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Oct/2530.html> 4** [Bug 7977] Define whether application/octet-stream with parameters is a type that the user agent knows it cannot render <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Oct/2529.html>

<pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 9659] Initial U+0000 should not set frameset-ok to "not ok" <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Oct/2532.html> 4** [Bug 11017] Decrease heading level for "APIs for the text field selections" <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Oct/2531.html>

<pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 9895] HTMLImageElement's "complete" attribute definition implies immediate image decoding <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Oct/2533.html>

<pimpbot> planet: How do we test a Web browser? (one year after) <11http://www.w3.org/QA/2010/09/how_do_we_test_a_web_browser_o.html>

<pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 11047] New: 321313132131 <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Oct/2535.html> 4** [Bug 10975] from gmail, JimJJewett said: Audio and Video should show the fallback content (for older browsers) if they do not understand the codec -- even if they understand video (or audio) itself <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Oct/2534.html>

<pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 11049] New: ffdh <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Oct/2536.html>

<CIA-1> v.nu-validator: 03hsivonen * r363 10/trunk/src/nu/validator/servlet/VerifierServlet.java: Update CORS headers to latest spec.

<pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 10818] i18n comment 14 : title and alt attribute direction and two new attributes: titledir and altdir <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Oct/2538.html> 4** [Bug 11011] Since Javascript does not support mode specifiers inside the regular expression, there is no simple way of matching a single word case-insensitively besides turning into [Ww][Oo][Rr][Dd] <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzill

<pimpbot> Title: {agenda} HTML WG Telecon 2010-10-14 actions, status of calls, issues and bugs, heartbeat drafts, task force reports from Paul Cotton on 2010-10-13 (public-html-wg-announce@w3.org from October to December 2010) (at lists.w3.org)

<rubys> trackbot, start meeting

<trackbot> Date: 14 October 2010

<scribe> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-announce/2010OctDec/0001.html

<scribe> ScribeNick: adrianba

<paulc> Good morning, Adrian - are you aread to scribe?

<scribe> Scribe: Adrian Bateman

<paulc> Great

ACTION items due by Thursday, October 14

ACTION-187?

<trackbot> ACTION-187 -- Maciej Stachowiak to inform the group that no comments on issue-9 requirements means they will be accepted -- due 2010-10-14 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/187

<dpenkler> zakim aabb is dpenkler

paulc: this is the only one on maciej
... who isn't on the call

<paulc> mjs: can you give us an update?

ACTION-187 due 21 oct

<trackbot> ACTION-187 Inform the group that no comments on issue-9 requirements means they will be accepted due date now 21 oct

New Issues This Week

paulc: three in the agenda

ISSUE-129?

<trackbot> ISSUE-129 -- replace or modify the ARIA section of the HTML5 spec -- raised

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/129

ISSUE-130?

<trackbot> ISSUE-130 -- allow tables to be used for layout purposes -- raised

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/130

ISSUE-131?

<trackbot> ISSUE-131 -- Should we add a caret location API to canvas, or is the focus API sufficient? -- raised

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/131

<paulc> Tracker requests: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/buglist.cgi?product=HTML+WG&keywords=TrackerRequest

paulc: in addition, per agenda 2d there are a series of tracker requests

<rubys> 7

paulc: there are 6 or 7 outstanding requests
... the chairs are asking if someone with tracker permissions will do the escalation
... otherwise the chairs will elevate next week
... since there are others who can do this we want to give them the opportunity
... anyone want to review the list or make any comments?

Items Closed Last Week

ISSUE-41?

<trackbot> ISSUE-41 -- Decentralized extensibility -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/41

paulc: survey on distributed extensibility closed last week and the chairs have added it to their queue of work items to process the survey results

<rubys> http://dev.w3.org/html5/status/issue-status.html#ISSUE-041

paulc: think the TAG sent feedback too

rubys: it's not in the survey but i added it to the issue page

Items Closing This Week

ISSUE-89?

<trackbot> ISSUE-89 -- Remove Section 4.12 Common Idioms without dedicated Elements -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/89

paulc: closed yesterday so chairs will add this to their list too

Items Closing Next Week

ISSUE-118?

<trackbot> ISSUE-118 -- Specification breaks semantics of existing link relations "index" and "first" -- raised

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/118

ISSUE-122?

<trackbot> ISSUE-122 -- alt text and description for Lady of Shalott example -- raised

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/122

ISSUE-123?

<trackbot> ISSUE-123 -- Autofocus attribute security concerns -- raised

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/123

paulc: these are all calls for proposals and close oct 17

New Surveys This Week

ISSUE-32?

<trackbot> ISSUE-32 -- how to provide a summary of a table, e.g. for unsighted navigation? -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/32

paulc: straw poll issued due oct 21

ISSUE-74?

<trackbot> ISSUE-74 -- How accessibility works for <canvas> is unclear. -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/74

ISSUE-105?

<trackbot> ISSUE-105 -- allow image maps on the canvas element -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/105

<rubys> http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/40318/issues-74-and-105-objection-poll/

ISSUE-131?

<trackbot> ISSUE-131 -- Should we add a caret location API to canvas, or is the focus API sufficient? -- raised

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/131

paulc: chairs opened issue 131 too
... survey has been issued for these
... these two surveys have been sent out

New Calls this week

ISSUE-125?

<trackbot> ISSUE-125 -- Requirement to break RFC 2616 compliance with respect to single quotes not needed for legacy content -- raised

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/125

ISSUE-126?

<trackbot> ISSUE-126 -- Requirement to break RFC 2616 compliance with respect to backslashes not needed for legacy content -- raised

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/126

paulc: these are calls for proposals due nov 13

ISSUE-85?

<trackbot> ISSUE-85 -- ARIA roles added to the a element should be conforming in HTML5 -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/85

paulc: also have call for consensus closing on oct 20 next week

Working Group decisions

paulc: chairs issued two decisions this week

ISSUE-100?

<trackbot> ISSUE-100 -- Remove the srcdoc attribute from the HTML5 specification -- closed

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/100

ISSUE-103?

<trackbot> ISSUE-103 -- XML escaping in iframe/@srcdoc -- closed

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/103

<rubys> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/2010Oct/0016.html

paulc: there is email discussion on the list

rubys: i responded on www-archive because it was more of a process question

Pending heart beat publications

paulc: Mike Smith is on the call, update?

MikeSmith: initially asked editors to put oct 12 on draft but didn't manage to get everything staged by that time
... next window is tuesday
... so asking editors to change date to next tuesday 19 oct
... we'll do that then
... i asked manu if there had been substantive updates to the RDFa draft - i don't think so so it might not be necessary to update it
... waiting to hear back from manu
... unless the chairs figure it is desirable to publish anyway

paulc: just looking at editor's draft, which is later than WD
... that implies some change

MikeSmith: think this might be just to revert it to ED and change previous publication date
... i.e. just the usual housekeeping but not making substantive changes

paulc: all of these documents cross-reference each other so if you leave it then it'll point to an old draft

MikeSmith: yeah, true
... i'll try to get a response from Manu - he may not have time so if i don't hear back i'll do the necessary updates

paulc: thanks for doing this

MikeSmith: i want to bring up one other issue - if you go to the latest version of the editor's draft of the spec

<MikeSmith> http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec/

MikeSmith: there's a note at the bottom that is quite prominent that says it is an out of date document and points to the editor's draft as the latest version
... the intent is that this will appear only on the TR version
... it's just a tab that appears at the bottom of the browser window and the intent is that readers of the WD see that the ED has changes that are not reflected in the WD
... i think we should have a discussion about whether that should be there
... i don't think we've discussed this in the group and i think it's necessary to talk about before we publish

Julian: paul probably can't see it because maybe it doesn't work in IE

<Zakim> rubys, you wanted to ask about the updated status section

MikeSmith: that would be a problem too since it's not doing what it is intended

rubys: we want RDFa republished because of the changes to the intro text about where to file comments

Julian: wanted to make one technical suggestion

<paulc> ack +

Julian: think this is done with absolute CSS positioning and this slows down browsers even more than just the large document
... i understand that the point of the text is to make people go somewhere else

<paulc> The latest stable version of the editor's draft of this specification is always available on the W3C CVS server and in the WHATWG Subversion repository. The latest editor's working copy (which may contain unfinished text in the process of being prepared) contains the latest draft text of this specification (amongst others). For more details, please see the WHATWG FAQ

Julian: i don't know why we would publish a draft saying people should go somewhere else

paulc: the intro text already has this note
... not sure why we need more than this

MikeSmith: well we have had a problem with implementers referring to the WD when significant changes have been made to the ED

<paulc> But the text already says: "Implementors should be aware that this specification is not stable. "

MikeSmith: and this caused some implementers in some cases to be wasting time because they were using the WD instead of the ED

paulc: the paragraph already warns people about this

MikeSmith: i guess it is up to the chairs to decide what to do

paulc: i suggest we remove it from the WD and that you ask the editor to do that

rubys: i'm okay with that

MikeSmith: i'll do that

paulc: thanks!

Issue updates

ISSUE-9?

<trackbot> ISSUE-9 -- how accessibility works for <video> is unclear -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/9

paulc: we have the user requirements and requested spec changes in the agenda

<paulc> ACTION-187?

<trackbot> ACTION-187 -- Maciej Stachowiak to inform the group that no comments on issue-9 requirements means they will be accepted -- due 2010-10-21 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/187

paulc: we want to make sure that if people didn't provide comments we take the requirements as accepted

janina: there is agreement via the e-mail list in the subteam for one specific addition
... from the open subtitles conference in NY
... we decided not to update for caption
... this was localised feedback and we need to be more international
... we wanted to add the example of ancilliary content that we stumbled across since it is html5
... specific for javascript that annotates video
... after that i don't think there is any impediment for closing on these
... the group is interested to understand when the spec language will be in
... we have a new law in the united states where if you broadcast something digitally and put it on the web you have to meet these requirements

paulc: we have the user requirements, they have been out since august, the TF wants to make one update

janina: i will have the update done by friday

paulc: and then on the spec additions you're saying they haven't been done and you'd like to know the schedule

janina: yes, exactly

paul: this was requested in september and there aren't any replies on the public archive
... the chairs will take an action to follow-up

<scribe> ACTION: paulc to check on the status of the request for spec additions related to the <track> element [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/10/14-html-wg-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-189 - Check on the status of the request for spec additions related to the <track> element [on Paul Cotton - due 2010-10-21].

Joint meeting with ECMA TC39

paulc: want to bring this to the attention of the group
... this is the follow-up to the joint meeting from Nov 2009
... it's great news that cameron has returned and has already started editing
... he will be attending
... it will be in the Bay area but the exact location hasn't been set yet
... we'll update when we hear
... would like to encourage people to attend if they can for this one day meeting

Task Force Reports - Accessibility Task Force

janina: all of the groups are moving forward in their areas
... i sat in on the aria mappings meeting and they are going through the remaining bugs
... we heard in the call today about the bugs requiring work
... not much to report - people still working on the current issues

paulc: are there any issues that the TF needs help with?

janina: not that i'm aware of
... there were questions about whether i had correctly represented the the canvas position correctly

paulc: is this about the survey for issue-74?

cyns: the question was about the survey went with only ian's counter proposal but not the original proposal
... janina reminded me we withdrew the original
... but ian's counter proposal was countering something that wasn't there
... we decided to postpone the change proposal until it is more mature
... wasn't sure if the plan was to deal with the counter-proposal

<paulc> http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/40318/issues-74-and-105-objection-poll/

rubys: this survey is different from the others that listed all the change proposals

<paulc> issue-131?

<trackbot> ISSUE-131 -- Should we add a caret location API to canvas, or is the focus API sufficient? -- raised

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/131

rubys: we broke out the individual items because the proposals overlap
... so for the first question - it gives the issue but then lists the change proposals that contribute to the question
... we did put out issue 131 that we'll deal with later

cyns: i guess my confusion is that item 4 looks like the counter proposal to issue 131

rubys: we should maybe consider deferring question 4 - i can see your point

paulc: i think sam's suggestion is that you should flag this issue on the public list and then the chairs will respond

cyns: i'll do that

paulc: if you do it quickly, you'll get a quick response
... anything else we need to discuss?

Task Force Reports - Testing Task Force

<krisk> October is turning out to be a busy month (22 posts to the list so far, most in a month was in june with 55 posts)

krisk: october is a busy month - we extended the meeting schedule
... it's the same time/ day of week/ etc

no meeting on 11/2 because of tpac

and no meeting on 12/28 because of the holidays

krisk: i'll be at tpac if people want to meet face to face
... we met on 10/5 and the next meeting is tuesday 10/19

<krisk> Notes -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-testsuite/2010Oct/0021.html

paulc: update on where we are on accepted tests and the queue?

krisk: we have 187 approved tests and no bugs
... we'll have getElementsByClassName and some canvas tests added next
... there is some dicussion about tests that cover multiple w3c specs
... vs normative requirements per the html5 spec
... the one case that sparked this discussion was combining svg with canvas
... the html5 doesn't have a normative requirement that canvas support svg
... would like to encourage vendors to update the xml for their conformance report

paulc: how many do you have?

krisk: we have the all the main ones but most of the vendors have new versions of their software and there are new tests

paulc: did the svg/canvas issue create a bug on the spec?

krisk: well, the spec doesn't specify any image formats today
... we could create a bug
... there are some things we have to assume like javascript
... but others we have to test and you could definitely test canvas without testing svg

paulc: so you're trying to understand the core

rubys: this will be controversial because we don't specify media codecs and this might open up that issue again

krisk: the thread ended really with the point that we don't need to make this a requirement
... but in future this kind of combination will be more common
... with svg it's an open spec, a recommendation

paulc: okay, any other comments?

krisk: no, that's it

paulc: any questions?

Other business

paulc: anyone want to discuss anything else?

Scribe for next meeting

paulc: sam will chair next week, paulc will scribe unless anyone else wants to

Adjournment

<Julian> bye

paulc: i'll adjourn the meeting then

Summary of Action Items

[NEW] ACTION: paulc to check on the status of the request for spec additions related to the <track> element [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/10/14-html-wg-minutes.html#action01]
 
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