Bug Triage sub-group - HTML A11Y TF

<scribe> scribe: MichaelC

<kliehm> agenda: this

Review of NEW and INVALID bugs (aka. previous homework)

<Joshue> BUG 8715 7.3 Scrolling elements into view

<scribe> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2010Oct/0247.html

<Joshue> http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec/editing.html#scrolling-elements-into-view

<Joshue> Am unsure, on reflection if this is an issue. The notion of scrolling etc is a rendering within the visual browser, elements within the source code should still be focusable ? either way. I suggest either closing the bug, or adding a note about elements still being focusable to screen reader users and/or users of other forms of AT. If relevant.

<kliehm> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=8715

<Joshue> Bug 8740 ? How do pseudo-class selectors interact with WAI-ARIA?

<kliehm> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=8740

<Joshue> I contacted the PF for their advice on Bug 8740 and got replies from David Bolter who strongly advises against interaction between ARIA and pseudo-class selectors. and Gez, who states that aria attributes can be selected directly, so there would be no need for "checked" to correlate to aria-checked. Suggest closing bug as resolved. There is also a related HTML 5/ARIA Mapping thread that started on the Xtech list.

<kliehm> http://dev.w3.org/html5/html-api-map/overview.html

<Joshue> http://www.paciellogroup.com/blog/misc/HTML5/aria-html5-proposal.html

Relationship to CSS selectors

Some CSS selectors, like :checked, provide information similar to ARIA states and properties, like aria-checked. Authors are advised that the values of these selectors and ARIA properties are not synchronized by user agents. If content uses both CSS pseudoclasses and ARIA, authors must updated both when changes occur.

<Joshue> ACTION: Josh to ping Stevef with suggested spec text for Bug 8740 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/10/05-a11y-bugs-minutes.html#action01]

<kliehm> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=8885

<Joshue> BUG 8622 Activation behaviour and pre-click activation

<kliehm> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=8622

<Joshue> comment under "Interactive Elements" from the PF's HTML5 spec review [1]: "UAWG23: activation behaviour and pre-click activation - there are too many opportunities for some accessibility nightmare here so it maybe worth reading these points and then discussing them. MC: discuss. My biggest concern is that it's all mouse-biased. Beyond that, I can't figure out what it does." [1] http://www.w3.org/2009/08/html5-spec-review

<Joshue> No further info forthcoming.

<Joshue> BUG 10591, conflicting info for table element in aria section

<kliehm> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=10591

<Joshue> Bug was accepted, close.

<Joshue> WHATWG listing for this bug http://html5.org/tools/web-apps-tracker?from=5514&to=5515

<Joshue> ACTION: Josh to ping Stevef to see if he is satisfied with resolution to http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=10591 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/10/05-a11y-bugs-minutes.html#action02]

<kliehm> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=10592

<Joshue> Bug 10592 - "h1 to h6 element that does have an hgroup ancestor" not listed in ARIA section

<Joshue> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=10592

<Joshue> This doesn?t seem to be resolved. Suggest we review.

<Joshue> Bug 10593 - thead, tfoot and tbody conflicts in aria section

<kliehm> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=10593

<Joshue> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=10593

<Joshue> Suggest Close

<kliehm> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=10594

<Joshue> Bug 10594 - conforming use of various aria attributes not specified

<Joshue> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=10594

<Joshue> Steve Notes: Wish to escalate as not providing clear information to authors on how

<Joshue> Needs attention.

<Joshue> Bug 10596 - Clarify what <img> represents if no@alt, no@title and NOT the sole content of a <figure>+<figcaption> element

<Joshue> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=10596

<Joshue> Bug accepted, close.

<Joshue> WHATWG revision http://html5.org/tools/web-apps-tracker?from=5516&to=5517

Next Week

Continue processing homework and actions from last week http://www.w3.org/2010/09/28-a11y-bugs-minutes

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