Widgets Voice Conference -- 23 Sep 2010

<scribe> ScribeNick: ArtB

<scribe> Scribe: Art

Review and tweak agenda

AB: I posted a draft agenda yesterday ( http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2010JulSep/0986.html ). Any change requests?
... if Robin doesn't join us we will probably drop the URI scheme agenda item

Announcements

AB: the only announcement I have is a reminder September 28 is the deadline for comments re the Widget Interface LCWD.
... any other announcements?

Packaging and Configuration spec

AB: the P&C Implementation Report suggests we still need lots of data ( http://dev.w3.org/2006/waf/widgets/imp-report/ ). Does anyone have anything new to report?
... Opera's impl is quite good
... but the next best impl is only about 50%
... do we think we can get data from BONDI/WAC?

MC: I'm not sure

AB: I can follow-up with WAC's AC rep

<scribe> ACTION: barstow contact WAC's AC rep about them supplying implementation data for the widget specs [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/09/23-wam-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-580 - Contact WAC's AC rep about them supplying implementation data for the widget specs [on Arthur Barstow - due 2010-09-30].

AB: the test suite is complete, right Marcos?

MC: yes, I believe so
... but I haven't received any feedback from the I18N WG

AB: did you give the I18N WG a deadline?

MC: I'll check and follow-up with them

AB: so 5 impls are roughly 50% and Opera's impl is 99%

<scribe> ACTION: barstow contact Aplix's WebApps reps about providing data for widget spec implementation [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/09/23-wam-minutes.html#action02]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-581 - Contact Aplix's WebApps reps about providing data for widget spec implementation [on Arthur Barstow - due 2010-09-30].

MC: Aplix's data has some bugs
... they need to re-run their tests
... need to talk to Paddy Byers

<Marcos> i18n email: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2010JulSep/0749.html

AB: can Wookie, in theory, implement 100% of the P&C test cases?

MC: yes and I think Scott plans to run them

AB: any news from GPAC guys?

MC: no, not recently

<scribe> ACTION: barstow contact GPAC implementation people re implemenation data for widget specs [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/09/23-wam-minutes.html#action03]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-582 - Contact GPAC implementation people re implemenation data for widget specs [on Arthur Barstow - due 2010-09-30].

AB: have you heard anything from RIM?

MC: no; would be good to follow-up

<scribe> ACTION: barstow contact RIM's AC rep to see if they intend to join WebApps and/or provide implemenation data re widget specs [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/09/23-wam-minutes.html#action04]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-583 - Contact RIM's AC rep to see if they intend to join WebApps and/or provide implemenation data re widget specs [on Arthur Barstow - due 2010-09-30].

AB: Marcos, will Opera be able to increase from 99% to 100%?

MC: yes; it's probably just a bug that needs to be fixed and the test case re-run

AB: anything else on P&C for today?

MC: I think we need to republish this spec again?
... we have made several changes
... need to publish a new LC I think

AB: yes, I agree we have made many changes

<scribe> ACTION: barstow start a CfC to publish a new LCWD of the Packaing and Configuration spec [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/09/23-wam-minutes.html#action05]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-584 - Start a CfC to publish a new LCWD of the Packaing and Configuration spec [on Arthur Barstow - due 2010-09-30].

MC: what about timeframes?

AB: the CfC period is 1 week
... and the LC comment period can be 3 weeks
... if I start a CfC today, it will end on Sept 30 and if agreed, we can publish a new LC on Oct 5 that would end on Oct 26

SP: the week after that would be TPAC
... and we could add it the agenda for TPAC meeting

AB: we previously said we won't have a widgets meeting durig TPAC

Digital Signature spec

AB: the DigSig Implementation Report suggests we have no implementation at all ( http://dev.w3.org/2006/waf/widgets-digsig/imp-report/ )

MC: that's right we don't have any impl data yet
... we may need to regen the test cases because of an issue with one of the certs

AB: until the test suite is updated and complete, I won't track people down re implemenation data
... anything else?

MC: we will fix the test suite as soon as possible
... we need to get more review

AB: I'll chase people after the test suite is updated

Widget Interface spec

AB: earlier today I created a comment tracking document for the September 7 LCWD ( http://www.w3.org/2006/02/lc-comments-tracker/42538/WD-widgets-apis-20100907/ )
... to date, I think the only comment we received is from Addison ( http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2010JulSep/0728.html ). My recollection we discussed providing support for the locale and that is something that is platform-dependent and as such, is not directly controllable by a strict TWI user agent.

MC: we have looked into this comment
... must know the context and that can be different in the JS context

AB: would it make sense to add a non-normative comment about this?

MC: maybe
... I can ask him how this is handeled in other places e.g. HTML5

AB: is this something new version of ECMAScript is addressing?

MC: not sure
... I will follow-up with Addison

AB: re Implementation Report, it would be good to get 2 impls at 100% so we can progress to PR. Now we have Opera @ 105% and Wookie @ 95%
... the issue for Wookie is test case ta-za
... Is there a bug in this test case?

MC: yes
... I will fix ta-za
... and I will remove the openURL test case
... expect an update later today
... and we will add some additional test cases too

AB: so, we need everyone to re-run the test suite?

MC: yes; we need everyone to re-run the test cases

<scribe> ACTION: marcos after TWI test suite updated, send an annoucement to public-webapps [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/09/23-wam-minutes.html#action06]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-585 - After TWI test suite updated, send an annoucement to public-webapps [on Marcos Caceres - due 2010-09-30].

AB: now there are 16 test cases in the TWI test suite
... how many will there be after the upload?

MC: about 50 test cases
... just checked, yes it is 50 test cases for TWI test suite

URI Scheme spec

AB: without Robin here, we will skip this item for today

view-mode Media Feature spec:

AB: what is the status of the view-mode Media Feature test suite ( http://dev.w3.org/2006/waf/widgets-vmmf/test-suite/ )? It is complete, right?

MC: yes, it is complete

AB: I still have an action to ask CSS WG to review the test cases ( http://www.w3.org/2008/webapps/track/actions/576 ). Should we ask them to review all 16 test cases?

MC: yes, they should review all 16 test cases
... want to know if they think non-widget UA test cases are needed

AB: any other instructions for the CSS WG?

MC: I need to clean up the Intro section

<Marcos> http://dev.w3.org/2006/waf/widgets-vmmf/test-suite/#product-ua

MC: they go the above and click on "Show all tests"

AB: what is our deadline for comments?
... by TPAC?

MC: we don't have any Ref Impls that I know of
... so, by TPAC would be fine
... we may want to add another mode in the future
... so there is a question about how to extend the spec?
... we could just create a new spec that defines the new mode

AB: yes, that would work

Updates spec

AB: what is the status and plan for next publication ( http://dev.w3.org/2006/waf/widgets-updates/ )?

MC: I think we are close to being ready to publish a new WD
... I just talked to Richard and we would like to publish a new WD as soon as possible

AB: since this has been a reocurring agenda item, I'm OK with going forward with the publication
... any objections to publish a new WD of Updates spec on September 28?
... I support the publication

MC: me too

<Steven> +1

RESOLUTION: widgets group agrees to publish a new WD of the Updates spec on Sept 28

AB: who is the main person for pubreq issues?

MC: both Richard and I

AOB

AB: next call will be in 2 weeks (October 7) if there are sufficient agenda items; otherwise later

MC: has Nokia made any widget-related plans?

AB: yes, I added Nokia impl to our Impl wiki: http://www.w3.org/2008/webapps/wiki/WidgetImplementation#Widget_Packaging_and_Configuration_.28P.26C.29

MC: can they provide data for our Implemenation Reports

AB: yes, I don't see why not but the announced widget platform (Qt Web Runtime) is an "alpha" release
... thus I don't know how stable or complete the impl is
... given our call frequency is down, we will use CfC's via e-mail if/when necessary
... anything else?
... Meeting Adjourned

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