12:58:38 RRSAgent has joined #wam 12:58:38 logging to http://www.w3.org/2010/09/23-wam-irc 12:58:39 +Art_Barstow 12:58:50 RRSAgent, make log Public 12:59:07 ScribeNick: ArtB 12:59:07 Scribe: Art 12:59:07 Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2010JulSep/0986.html 12:59:07 Chair: Art 12:59:07 Meeting: Widgets Voice Conference 12:59:16 + +1.479.524.aaaa 13:00:03 zakim, dial steven-617 13:00:03 ok, Steven; the call is being made 13:00:05 +Steven 13:00:21 darobin has joined #wam 13:04:12 Present: Art_Barstow, Steven_Pemberton, Marcos_Caceres 13:04:18 Topic: Review and tweak agenda 13:04:24 AB: I posted a draft agenda yesterday ( http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2010JulSep/0986.html ). Any change requests? 13:04:49 AB: if Robin doesn't join us we will probably drop the URI scheme agenda item 13:05:06 Topic: Announcements 13:05:11 AB: the only announcement I have is a reminder September 28 is the deadline for comments re the Widget Interface LCWD. 13:05:19 AB: any other announcements? 13:05:37 Topic: Packaging and Configuration spec 13:05:43 AB: the P&C Implementation Report suggests we still need lots of data ( http://dev.w3.org/2006/waf/widgets/imp-report/ ). Does anyone have anything new to report? 13:06:28 AB: Opera's impl is quite good 13:06:39 ... but the next best impl is only about 50% 13:07:03 AB: do we think we can get data from BONDI/WAC? 13:07:30 MC: I'm not sure 13:07:42 AB: I can follow-up with WAC's AC rep 13:08:21 ACTION: barstow contact WAC's AC rep about them supplying implementation data for the widget specs 13:08:22 Created ACTION-580 - Contact WAC's AC rep about them supplying implementation data for the widget specs [on Arthur Barstow - due 2010-09-30]. 13:08:36 AB: the test suite is complete, right Marcos? 13:08:50 MC: yes, I believe so 13:09:03 ... but I haven't received any feedback from the I18N WG 13:09:20 AB: did you give the I18N WG a deadline? 13:09:33 MC: I'll check and follow-up with them 13:10:34 AB: so 5 impls are roughly 50% and Opera's impl is 99% 13:11:16 ACTION: barstow contact Aplix's WebApps reps about providing data for widget spec implementation 13:11:16 Created ACTION-581 - Contact Aplix's WebApps reps about providing data for widget spec implementation [on Arthur Barstow - due 2010-09-30]. 13:11:25 MC: Aplix's data has some bugs 13:12:00 ... they need to re-run their tests 13:12:07 ... need to talk to Paddy Byers 13:12:31 i18n email: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2010JulSep/0749.html 13:12:53 AB: can Wookie, in theory, implement 100% of the P&C test cases? 13:13:02 MC: yes and I think Scott plans to run them 13:13:26 AB: any news from GPAC guys? 13:13:32 MC: no, not recently 13:13:50 ACTION: barstow contact GPAC implementation people re implemenation data for widget specs 13:13:51 Created ACTION-582 - Contact GPAC implementation people re implemenation data for widget specs [on Arthur Barstow - due 2010-09-30]. 13:14:51 AB: have you heard anything from RIM? 13:14:57 MC: no; would be good to follow-up 13:16:03 ACTION: barstow contact RIM's AC rep to see if they intend to join WebApps and/or provide implemenation data re widget specs 13:16:12 Created ACTION-583 - Contact RIM's AC rep to see if they intend to join WebApps and/or provide implemenation data re widget specs [on Arthur Barstow - due 2010-09-30]. 13:17:02 AB: Marcos, will Opera be able to increase from 99% to 100%? 13:17:21 MC: yes; it's probably just a bug that needs to be fixed and the test case re-run 13:17:45 AB: anything else on P&C for today? 13:18:17 MC: I think we need to republish this spec again? 13:18:27 ... we have made several changes 13:18:38 ... need to publish a new LC I think 13:19:36 AB: yes, I agree we have made many changes 13:20:35 ACTION: barstow start a CfC to publish a new LCWD of the Packaing and Configuration spec 13:20:35 Created ACTION-584 - Start a CfC to publish a new LCWD of the Packaing and Configuration spec [on Arthur Barstow - due 2010-09-30]. 13:21:00 MC: what about timeframes? 13:21:11 AB: the CfC period is 1 week 13:21:39 ... and the LC comment period can be 3 weeks 13:22:37 AB: if I start a CfC today, it will end on Sept 30 and if agreed, we can publish a new LC on Oct 5 that would end on Oct 26 13:23:30 SP: the week after that would be TPAC 13:23:41 ... and we could add it the agenda for TPAC meeting 13:24:02 AB: we previously said we won't have a widgets meeting durig TPAC 13:25:01 Topic: Digital Signature spec 13:25:08 AB: the DigSig Implementation Report suggests we have no implementation at all ( http://dev.w3.org/2006/waf/widgets-digsig/imp-report/ ) 13:25:50 MC: that's right we don't have any impl data yet 13:26:20 ... we may need to regen the test cases because of an issue with one of the certs 13:26:51 AB: until the test suite is updated and complete, I won't track people down re implemenation data 13:27:05 AB: anything else? 13:27:16 MC: we will fix the spec as soon as possible 13:27:28 s/the spec/the test suite/ 13:27:36 ... we need to get more review 13:28:33 AB: I'll chase people after the test suite is updated 13:28:41 Topic: Widget Interface spec 13:28:48 AB: earlier today I created a comment tracking document for the September 7 LCWD ( http://www.w3.org/2006/02/lc-comments-tracker/42538/WD-widgets-apis-20100907/ ) 13:28:57 AB: to date, I think the only comment we received is from Addison ( http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2010JulSep/0728.html ). My recollection we discussed providing support for the locale and that is something that is platform-dependent and as such, is not directly controllable by a strict TWI user agent. 13:30:57 MC: we have looked into this comment 13:31:42 ... must know the context and that can be different in the JS context 13:32:28 AB: would it make sense to add a non-normative comment about this? 13:32:33 MC: maybe 13:33:10 ... I can ask him how this is handeled in other places e.g. HTML5 13:33:42 AB: is this something new version of ECMAScript is addressing? 13:33:45 MC: not sure 13:34:59 ... I will follow-up with Addison 13:35:20 AB: re Implementation Report, it would be good to get 2 impls at 100% so we can progress to PR. Now we have Opera @ 105% and Wookie @ 95% 13:36:04 AB: the issue for Wookie is test case ta-za 13:36:17 ... Is there a bug in this test case? 13:36:21 MC: yes 13:36:48 ... I will fix ta-za 13:36:59 ... and I will remove the openURL test case 13:37:07 ... expect an update later today 13:37:19 ... and we will add some additional test cases too 13:37:44 AB: so, we need everyone to re-run the test suite? 13:37:59 MC: yes; we need everyone to re-run the test cases 13:38:23 ACTION: marcos after TWI test suite updated, send an annoucement to public-webapps 13:38:23 Created ACTION-585 - After TWI test suite updated, send an annoucement to public-webapps [on Marcos Caceres - due 2010-09-30]. 13:39:37 AB: now there are 16 test cases in the TWI test suite 13:39:53 ... how many will there be after the upload? 13:39:59 MC: about 50 test cases 13:40:37 zakim, who's where? 13:40:37 I don't understand your question, ArtB. 13:40:45 zakim, who is here? 13:40:45 On the phone I see Art_Barstow, +1.479.524.aaaa, Steven 13:40:47 On IRC I see darobin, RRSAgent, Zakim, Steven, kenneth_, MikeSmith, lca, ArtB, tlr, Marcos, trackbot 13:41:11 ... just checked, yes it is 50 test cases for TWI test suite 13:41:16 zakim, aaaa is Marcos 13:41:16 +Marcos; got it 13:41:23 Topic: URI Scheme spec 13:41:37 AB: without Robin here, we will skip this item for today 13:42:37 Topic: view-mode Media Feature spec: 13:42:43 AB: what is the status of the view-mode Media Feature test suite ( http://dev.w3.org/2006/waf/widgets-vmmf/test-suite/ )? It is complete, right? 13:42:54 MC: yes, it is complete 13:43:02 AB: I still have an action to ask CSS WG to review the test cases ( http://www.w3.org/2008/webapps/track/actions/576 ). Should we ask them to review all 16 test cases? 13:43:37 MC: yes, they should review all 16 test cases 13:43:58 ... want to know if they think non-widget UA test cases are needed 13:44:09 AB: any other instructions for the CSS WG? 13:44:43 MC: I need to clean up the Intro section 13:45:21 http://dev.w3.org/2006/waf/widgets-vmmf/test-suite/#product-ua 13:45:48 MC: they go the above and click on "Show all tests" 13:45:56 AB: what is our deadline for comments? 13:46:14 ... by TPAC? 13:46:28 MC: we don't have any Ref Impls that I know of 13:46:34 ... so, by TPAC would be fine 13:47:29 MC: we may want to add another mode in the future 13:47:40 ... so there is a question about how to extend the spec? 13:47:53 ... we could just create a new spec that defines the new mode 13:47:58 AB: yes, that would work 13:48:10 Topic: Updates spec 13:48:16 AB: what is the status and plan for next publication ( http://dev.w3.org/2006/waf/widgets-updates/ )? 13:48:44 MC: I think we are close to being ready to publish a new WD 13:49:38 MC: I just talked to Richard and we would like to publish a new WD as soon as possible 13:50:05 AB: since this has been a reocurring agenda item, I'm OK with going forward with the publication 13:50:26 AB: any objections to publish a new WD of Updates spec on September 28? 13:50:36 AB: I support the publication 13:50:40 MC: me too 13:50:40 +1 13:51:11 RESOLUTION: widgets group agrees to publish a new WD of the Updates spec on Sept 28 13:51:34 AB: who is the main person for pubreq issues? 13:51:44 MC: both Richard and I 13:52:00 Topic: AOB 13:52:12 AB: next call will be in 2 weeks (October 7) if there are sufficient agenda items; otherwise later 13:53:39 MC: has Nokia made any widget-related plans? 13:54:39 AB: yes, I added Nokia impl to our Impl wiki: http://www.w3.org/2008/webapps/wiki/WidgetImplementation#Widget_Packaging_and_Configuration_.28P.26C.29 13:54:59 MC: can they provide data for our Implemenation Reports 13:55:36 AB: yes, I don't see why not but the announced widget platform (Qt Web Runtime) is an "alpha" release 13:55:53 ... thus I don't know how stable or complete the impl is 13:57:37 AB: given our call frequency is down, we will use CfC's via e-mail if/when necessary 13:58:01 AB: anything else? 13:58:09 AB: Meeting Adjourned 13:58:19 -Steven 13:58:21 -Marcos 13:58:22 RRSAgent, make minutes 13:58:22 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/09/23-wam-minutes.html ArtB 13:58:28 -Art_Barstow 13:58:29 IA_WebApps(Widgets)9:00AM has ended 13:58:31 Attendees were Art_Barstow, +1.479.524.aaaa, Steven, Marcos 14:00:32 Steven has left #wam 14:07:59 zakim, bye 14:07:59 Zakim has left #wam 14:08:03 rrsagent, bye 14:08:03 I see 6 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2010/09/23-wam-actions.rdf : 14:08:03 ACTION: barstow contact WAC's AC rep about them supplying implementation data for the widget specs [1] 14:08:03 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/09/23-wam-irc#T13-08-21 14:08:03 ACTION: barstow contact Aplix's WebApps reps about providing data for widget spec implementation [2] 14:08:03 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/09/23-wam-irc#T13-11-16 14:08:03 ACTION: barstow contact GPAC implementation people re implemenation data for widget specs [3] 14:08:03 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/09/23-wam-irc#T13-13-50 14:08:03 ACTION: barstow contact RIM's AC rep to see if they intend to join WebApps and/or provide implemenation data re widget specs [4] 14:08:03 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/09/23-wam-irc#T13-16-03 14:08:03 ACTION: barstow start a CfC to publish a new LCWD of the Packaing and Configuration spec [5] 14:08:03 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/09/23-wam-irc#T13-20-35 14:08:03 ACTION: marcos after TWI test suite updated, send an annoucement to public-webapps [6] 14:08:03 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/09/23-wam-irc#T13-38-23