Media Annotations Working Group Teleconference -- 21 Sep 2010

<joakim> Hi, waiting others

<joakim> invite Zakim #mediaann

<joakim> Hi Chris, we are taliking on the phone

<joakim> about "all actions points have been reopened"

trackbot, start telecon

<trackbot> Date: 21 September 2010

<scribe> Chair: Joakim

<scribe> Scribe: raphael

<joakim> scribe: Raphael

<scribe> scribenick: raphael

<joakim> http://www.w3.org/2010/09/08-mediaann-minutes.html

<joakim> http://www.w3.org/2010/09/09-mediaann-minutes.html

<joakim> http://www.w3.org/2010/09/10-mediaann-minutes.html

1. Admin

Joakim: I suggest to accept the minutes of the f2f meeting (3 days)

[silence]

RESOLUTION: minutes of the f2f meeting accepted

Joakim: thanks for Thierry for the organization and the dinner in Sophia Antipolis

<joakim> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/open

2. Action Items

Joakim: we have a lot of Actions !!!

How do we manage?

List in the tracker: http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/open

<wbailer> http://www.w3.org/2006/02/lc-comments-tracker/42786/WD-mediaont-10-20100608/2389

Werner: ACTION-270
... we have a clear answer about subtitles, and less for semantic annotations

Thierry: should we discuss now the proposed text resolving the issue?

Joakim: I suggest to close the action, but more peope need to read the lc comment before closing it

close ACTION-270

<trackbot> ACTION-270 Draft an answer for the comment 2389 closed

<scribe> ACTION: Thierry to send to the group the list of LC Comments that needs to be reviewed for moving on [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/09/21-mediaann-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-312 - Send to the group the list of LC Comments that needs to be reviewed for moving on [on Thierry Michel - due 2010-09-28].

Raphael: ACTION-271
... it is done
... in a nutshell, embedded named graphs syntax is not yet ready (might be part of RDF 2.0)
... no other ways for doing such complex annotations
... except with an event-based modeling, suggested by Yves Raimond
... similar to what has been done with the Programmes web site in BBC

<tmichel> http://dev.w3.org/2008/video/mediaann/mediaont-1.0/mediaont-1.0.html#examples

Veronique: problem with this approach is to have multiple annotations about the same fragment that co-exist

close ACTION-271

<trackbot> ACTION-271 Contact the SW Coordination Group about how to do semantic annotation with ma:description and ma:relation alternatives closed

Wonsul: ACTION-272

See http://dev.w3.org/2008/video/mediaann/mediaont-1.0/mediaont-1.0.html#examples

close ACTION-272

<trackbot> ACTION-272 Start a new section in the Ontology document providing example of usage (e.g. subtitles, powder, etc.) closed

Thierry: ACTION-273
... I have done it
... the tables are done, but need to be filled now
... it seems to me that for ogg, e.g. the technical information is in the codecs (video/audio) and not in the container formats
... need to be checked
... I suggest to keep this action opened
... ACTION-274
... I have done this

close ACTION-274

<trackbot> ACTION-274 Check all mapping tables and add N/A when it is needed closed

Joakim: ACTION-275
... it is not yet finished, I need to coordinate with Wonsuk

<scribe> ... ongoing

Joakim: ACTION-276
... it is dependent on ACTION-311
... not yet finished

close ACTION-276

<trackbot> ACTION-276 Change the type definition into the new syntax closed

scribe: it is actually the same one than 311

Chris: ACTION-277
... still open

Was the conclusion to add new property?

Chris: no, it is about adding an example

Werner: ACTION-278

<wbailer> http://www.w3.org/2006/02/lc-comments-tracker/42786/WD-mediaont-10-20100608/2417

Werner: it is done
... made the changes to follow the suggestion
... we need to update the ontology document
... we will keep copyright though we are aware that there will be some overlap with what Policy is providing
... rational is a strong need from the industry to have a simple field for this, see email thread
... I don't see a reply of Jean Pierre on this thread

<wbailer> ACTION: wonsuk to update definition of ma:policy according to comments from PLING [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/09/21-mediaann-minutes.html#action02]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-313 - Update definition of ma:policy according to comments from PLING [on WonSuk Lee - due 2010-09-28].

close ACTION-278

<trackbot> ACTION-278 Draft a response to the comment LC-2417 closed

Thierry: ACTION-279
... it is done, we have a new css
... now in the dev space
... we have to wait for Wonsuk to use this new css

close ACTION-279

<trackbot> ACTION-279 Look into problems with the CSS rule closed

Joakim: ACTION-280
... we have changed about this section about conformance
... but we need to read it again
... so leave this action open

Werner: ACTION-281
... contact Florian ?
... seems a WebIDL issue encountered by Florian
... we could delete this sentence about HTML5
... I think it is done already

close ACTION-281

<trackbot> ACTION-281 Follow up the comment of Robin about the HTML 5 compatibility issue by contacting Florian closed

Wonsuk: ACTION-282
... someone has an idea if this has been done?

Werner: ACTION-284
... I got a response that I use to draft the table
... I sent this to the editors of the ontology document
... we can leave this action open
... it is just the editors that need to include in the doc

close ACTION-284

<trackbot> ACTION-284 Mail David Singer about the inclusion of media type parameters in the ma:format property closed

<scribe> ACTION: Wonsuk to update the description of the ma:format in the ontology doc using the input from Dave Singer (see Werner email) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/09/21-mediaann-minutes.html#action03]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-314 - Update the description of the ma:format in the ontology doc using the input from Dave Singer (see Werner email) [on WonSuk Lee - due 2010-09-28].

Joakim: ACTION-285
... I'm looking for the diff with ACTION-280

Werner: it seems the same

close ACTION-285

<trackbot> ACTION-285 Check the normative statemens according to the editorial comment of Robin closed

duplicate actions

Thierry: ACTION-286

<scribe> ... done

close ACTION-286

<trackbot> ACTION-286 Update the XPATH columns of the mapping tables closed

Felix: ACTION-287
... Felix will work on this tonight

Joakim: ACTION-289
... leave it open

Chris: ACTION-290
... it is done

close ACTION-290

<trackbot> ACTION-290 Make updates to api document related to dropping type attribute of identifier closed

Thierry: ACTION-291
... the file is now in the proper namespace
... coneg is not yet implemented for serving either the rdf or the html
... conneg is still pending

<tmichel> http://www.w3.org/2006/02/lc-comments-tracker/42786/WD-mediaont-10-20100608/2404

Thierry: ACTION-292

<scribe> ... done

close ACTION-292

<trackbot> ACTION-292 Draft response to ivan closed

Chris: ACTION-295
... has been done during the f2f

close ACTION-295

<trackbot> ACTION-295 Chanage title to plural in api doc closed

scribe: the web site needs to be updated too

<scribe> ACTION: Joakim to update the group web site to reflect the plural in the title and to make working his cvs [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/09/21-mediaann-minutes.html#action04]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-315 - Update the group web site to reflect the plural in the title and to make working his cvs [on Joakim Söderberg - due 2010-09-28].

Thierry: I have also done the action of wonsuk

close ACTION-296

<trackbot> ACTION-296 Change title to plural in ontology doc closed

Thierry: ACTION-297

Chris: only the title has been changed !!!
... we need to change this everywhere in the document !!!

<florian_pa> +1

I have re-opened the action-296 and re-assigned to Thierry

<Chris> also change the mentioning of the "API for Media Resource 1.0" to "API for Media Resources 1.0" in the ontology document please

Thierry: regarding the contact to HTML, I have no response
... I will meet the staff contact this afternoon

Joakim: I think we should let open this action until TPAC and make sure we talk with this group
... ACTION-298
... I sent an email to Dominique
... asking if there will be a binding for a RESTful API
... it seem they have just discussed this at the moment
... and suggested to bring this to the coordination group
... to see if more people are interested
... I can follow-up this suggestion

<scribe> ACTION: pursue development of WebIDL for REST at the Coordination Group meeting [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/09/21-mediaann-minutes.html#action05]

<trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - pursue

<scribe> ACTION: joakim to pursue development of WebIDL for REST at the Coordination Group meeting [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/09/21-mediaann-minutes.html#action06]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-316 - Pursue development of WebIDL for REST at the Coordination Group meeting [on Joakim Söderberg - due 2010-09-28].

<wbailer> raphael: group chair should have received invitation to coordination group

<wbailer> ... chair should send short mail with progress from group and any topics for cc telecon

<wbailer> close action-299

<trackbot> ACTION-299 Change the API interface about Date closed

<wbailer> action 300 is pending, joakim has sent mail, but not received an answer

<trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - 300

<wbailer> chris: action 301 is still open

<wbailer> ... same for 302

<wbailer> joakim: not sure what to do about action 303, what exactly to tell them?

<wbailer> from Comment LC-2419

<wbailer> "note: integration with DAP's Media Capture is likely desirable."

<tmichel> http://www.w3.org/2006/02/lc-comments-tracker/42786/WD-mediaont-api-1.0-20100608/2395?cid=2395

<wbailer> thierry: drafted answer for 2395

<wbailer> close action-304

<trackbot> ACTION-304 Draft answer for lc-2395 closed

<wbailer> joakim: concerning action 305, sent mail to doug, no answer yet

<wbailer> close action-306

<trackbot> ACTION-306 Add paragraph to section 2 about support for several metadata sources closed

<wbailer> close action-307

<trackbot> ACTION-307 Fix description of parameters in getoriginaldata (LC-2410) closed

<tmichel> action traker problem ...

<trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - traker

<tmichel> Based on the changelog, it looks like Wonsuk did this, see e.g.:

<tmichel> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/1?changelog

<wbailer> chris: worked on editorial issues in comment LC-2394, did not draft answer yet

<wbailer> ... open issues: do we need to have a final solution before drafting a response?

<wbailer> ... or can we respond that we are in the process of looking at this

<wbailer> thierry: wait for response from other groups and have resolution

<wbailer> ... if there are many other points, we can send response with resolutions for some of the points

<wbailer> close action-308

<trackbot> ACTION-308 Take care of editorial issues in comment LC-2394 closed

<wbailer> thierry: sent proposal for normative/non-normative markup

<wbailer> ... leave open until agreed

<wbailer> concerning action 310, werner to send png version to chris

<wbailer> [adjourned]

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Media Annotations Working Group Teleconference

21 Sep 2010

Attendees

Contents

1. Admin

2. Action Items

Summary of Action Items

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