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10:57:05 <wbailer> zakim, this will be mawg
10:57:05 <Zakim> ok, wbailer; I see IA_MAWG()7:00AM scheduled to start in 3 minutes
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11:01:18 <joakim> Hi, waiting others
11:02:25 <Zakim> + +1.617.588.aaaa - is perhaps Luis
11:04:44 <joakim> zakim, this is mawg
11:04:44 <Zakim> joakim, this was already IA_MAWG()7:00AM
11:04:45 <Zakim> ok, joakim; that matches IA_MAWG()7:00AM
11:05:03 <joakim> invite Zakim #mediaann
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11:05:16 <joakim> zakim, who's here?
11:05:16 <Zakim> On the phone I see joakim, wbailer, Luis
11:05:17 <Zakim> On IRC I see Chris, joakim, RRSAgent, Zakim, wbailer, raphael, tmichel, trackbot
11:05:47 <joakim> Hi Chris, we are taliking on the phone
11:06:00 <Zakim> + +329331aabb
11:06:01 <Zakim> + +34.93.00.aacc
11:06:09 <joakim> about "all actions points have been reopened"
11:06:33 <joakim> chair: joakim
11:06:36 <raphael> trackbot, start telecon
11:06:38 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
11:06:40 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be MAWG
11:06:40 <Zakim> ok, trackbot, I see IA_MAWG()7:00AM already started
11:06:41 <trackbot> Meeting: Media Annotations Working Group Teleconference
11:06:41 <trackbot> Date: 21 September 2010
11:06:46 <raphael> Chair: Joakim
11:07:04 <raphael> Regrets: wonsuk, daniel
11:07:21 <raphael> Scribe: raphael
11:07:24 <joakim> scribe: Raphael
11:07:27 <raphael> scribenick: raphael
11:07:52 <joakim> http://www.w3.org/2010/09/08-mediaann-minutes.html
11:07:59 <joakim> http://www.w3.org/2010/09/09-mediaann-minutes.html
11:08:00 <raphael> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2010Sep/0118.html
11:08:04 <joakim> http://www.w3.org/2010/09/10-mediaann-minutes.html
11:08:08 <raphael> Topic: 1. Admin
11:08:27 <raphael> Joakim: I suggest to accept the minutes of the f2f meeting (3 days)
11:08:30 <raphael> [silence]
11:08:43 <raphael> RESOLUTION: minutes of the f2f meeting accepted
11:09:01 <raphael> Joakim: thanks for Thierry for the organization and the dinner in Sophia Antipolis
11:09:05 <joakim> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/open
11:09:07 <raphael> Topic: 2. Action Items
11:09:20 <raphael> Joakim: we have a lot of Actions !!!
11:09:25 <raphael> How do we manage?
11:09:43 <raphael> List in the tracker: http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/open
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11:10:29 <wbailer> http://www.w3.org/2006/02/lc-comments-tracker/42786/WD-mediaont-10-20100608/2389
11:10:36 <raphael> Werner: ACTION-270
11:11:00 <Zakim> +florian
11:11:02 <raphael> ... we have a clear answer about subtitles, and less for semantic annotations
11:11:18 <stegmai> zakim, who is here?
11:11:18 <Zakim> On the phone I see joakim, wbailer, Luis, chris, raphael, florian
11:11:19 <Zakim> On IRC I see stegmai, Chris, joakim, RRSAgent, Zakim, wbailer, raphael, tmichel, trackbot
11:12:17 <raphael> Thierry: should we discuss now the proposed text resolving the issue?
11:13:10 <raphael> Joakim: I suggest to close the action, but more peope need to read the lc comment before closing it
11:13:17 <raphael> close ACTION-270
11:13:18 <trackbot> ACTION-270 Draft an answer for the comment 2389 closed
11:13:39 <raphael> ACTION: Thierry to send to the group the list of LC Comments that needs to be reviewed for moving on
11:13:39 <trackbot> Created ACTION-312 - Send to the group the list of LC Comments that needs to be reviewed for moving on [on Thierry Michel - due 2010-09-28].
11:14:23 <raphael> Raphael: ACTION-271
11:14:35 <raphael> ... it is done
11:17:49 <raphael> ... in a nutshell, embedded named graphs syntax is not yet ready (might be part of RDF 2.0)
11:18:05 <raphael> ... no other ways for doing such complex annotations
11:18:39 <raphael> ... except with an event-based modeling, suggested by Yves Raimond
11:18:50 <raphael> ... similar to what has been done with the Programmes web site in BBC
11:19:19 <tmichel>  http://dev.w3.org/2008/video/mediaann/mediaont-1.0/mediaont-1.0.html#examples
11:19:25 <raphael> Veronique: problem with this approach is to have multiple annotations about the same fragment that co-exist
11:19:30 <raphael> close ACTION-271
11:19:30 <trackbot> ACTION-271 Contact the SW Coordination Group about how to do semantic annotation with ma:description and ma:relation alternatives closed
11:19:45 <raphael> Wonsul: ACTION-272
11:20:05 <raphael> See  http://dev.w3.org/2008/video/mediaann/mediaont-1.0/mediaont-1.0.html#examples
11:20:10 <raphael> close ACTION-272
11:20:10 <trackbot> ACTION-272 Start a new section in the Ontology document providing example of usage (e.g. subtitles, powder, etc.) closed
11:20:30 <raphael> Thierry: ACTION-273
11:20:34 <raphael> ... I have done it
11:21:33 <raphael> ... the tables are done, but need to be filled now
11:22:19 <raphael> ... it seems to me that for ogg, e.g. the technical information is in the codecs (video/audio) and not in the container formats
11:22:22 <raphael> ... need to be checked
11:22:29 <raphael> ... I suggest to keep this action opened
11:22:35 <raphael> Thierry: ACTION-274
11:22:38 <raphael> ... I have done this
11:22:55 <raphael> close ACTION-274
11:22:55 <trackbot> ACTION-274 Check all mapping tables and add N/A when it is needed closed
11:23:02 <raphael> Joakim: ACTION-275
11:23:23 <raphael> ... it is not yet finished, I need to coordinate with Wonsuk
11:23:26 <raphael> ... ongoing
11:23:32 <raphael> Joakim: ACTION-276
11:24:25 <raphael> ... it is dependent on ACTION-311
11:24:28 <raphael> ...  not yet finished
11:25:21 <raphael> close ACTION-276
11:25:21 <trackbot> ACTION-276 Change the type definition into the new syntax closed
11:25:32 <raphael> ... it is actually the same one than 311
11:25:47 <raphael> Chris: ACTION-277
11:25:49 <raphael> ... still open
11:26:07 <raphael> Was the conclusion to add a ne 
11:26:16 <raphael> s/a ne/new property?
11:26:29 <raphael> Chris: no, it is about adding an example
11:26:42 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/09/21-mediaann-minutes.html raphael
11:26:55 <raphael> Werner: ACTION-278
11:26:57 <wbailer> http://www.w3.org/2006/02/lc-comments-tracker/42786/WD-mediaont-10-20100608/2417
11:26:59 <raphael> ... it is done
11:27:50 <raphael> ... made the changes to follow the suggestion
11:28:02 <raphael> ... we need to update the ontology document
11:28:33 <raphael> ... we will keep copyright though we are aware that there will be some overlap with what Policy is providing
11:28:58 <raphael> ... rational is a strong need from the industry to have a simple field for this, see email thread
11:30:07 <raphael> ... I don't see her reply of Jean Pierre on this thread
11:30:13 <raphael> s/her/a
11:31:16 <wbailer> action: wonsuk to update definition of ma:policy according to comments from PLING
11:31:16 <trackbot> Created ACTION-313 - Update definition of ma:policy according to comments from PLING [on WonSuk Lee - due 2010-09-28].
11:31:31 <raphael> close ACTION-278
11:31:31 <trackbot> ACTION-278 Draft a response to the comment LC-2417 closed
11:31:38 <raphael> Thierry: ACTION-279
11:31:44 <raphael> ... it is done, we have a new css
11:31:49 <raphael> ... now in the dev space
11:32:06 <raphael> ... we have to wait for Wonsuk to use this new css
11:32:14 <raphael> close ACTION-279
11:32:14 <trackbot> ACTION-279 Look into problems with the CSS rule closed
11:32:36 <raphael> Joakim: ACTION-280
11:32:49 <raphael> ... we have changed about this section about conformance
11:32:53 <raphael> ... but we need to read it again
11:32:58 <raphael> ... so leave this action open
11:33:06 <raphael> Werner: ACTION-281
11:33:19 <raphael> ... contact Florian ?
11:33:35 <raphael> ... seems a WebIDL issue encountered by Florian
11:33:57 <raphael> ... we could delete this sentence about HTML5
11:34:11 <raphael> ... I think it is done already
11:34:16 <raphael> close ACTION-281
11:34:16 <trackbot> ACTION-281 Follow up the comment of Robin about the HTML 5 compatibility issue by contacting Florian closed
11:34:26 <raphael> Wonsuk: ACTION-282
11:34:43 <raphael> ... someone has an idea if this has been done?
11:34:56 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/09/21-mediaann-minutes.html raphael
11:35:51 <raphael> Werner: ACTION-284
11:36:01 <raphael> ... I got a response that I use to draft the table
11:36:25 <raphael> ... I sent this to the editors of the ontology document
11:36:37 <raphael> ... we can leave this action open
11:36:54 <raphael> ... it is just the editors that need to include in the doc
11:37:03 <raphael> close ACTION-284
11:37:03 <trackbot> ACTION-284 Mail David Singer about the inclusion of media type parameters in the ma:format property closed
11:37:45 <raphael> ACTION: Wonsuk to update the description of the ma:format in the ontology doc using the input from Dave Singer (see Werner email)
11:37:45 <trackbot> Created ACTION-314 - Update the description of the ma:format in the ontology doc using the input from Dave Singer (see Werner email) [on WonSuk Lee - due 2010-09-28].
11:38:17 <raphael> Joakim: ACTION-285
11:38:29 <raphael> ... I'm looking for the diff with ACTION-280
11:38:42 <raphael> Werner: it seems the same
11:38:56 <raphael> close ACTION-285
11:38:56 <trackbot> ACTION-285 Check the normative statemens according to the editorial comment of Robin closed
11:39:00 <raphael> duplicate actions
11:39:08 <raphael> Thierry: ACTION-286
11:39:15 <raphael> ... done
11:39:23 <raphael> close ACTION-286
11:39:23 <trackbot> ACTION-286 Update the XPATH columns of the mapping tables closed
11:39:32 <raphael> Felix: ACTION-287
11:39:50 <raphael> ... Felix will work on this tonight
11:40:15 <raphael> Joakim: ACTION-289
11:40:36 <raphael> ... leave it open
11:40:46 <raphael> Chris: ACTION-290
11:40:58 <raphael> ... it is done
11:41:04 <raphael> close ACTION-290
11:41:04 <trackbot> ACTION-290 Make updates to api document related to dropping type attribute of identifier closed
11:41:15 <raphael> Thierry: ACTION-291
11:41:26 <raphael> ... the file is now in the proper namespace
11:41:42 <raphael> ... coneg is not yet implemented for serving either the rdf or the html
11:41:46 <raphael> ... conneg is still pending
11:42:05 <tmichel> http://www.w3.org/2006/02/lc-comments-tracker/42786/WD-mediaont-10-20100608/2404
11:42:06 <raphael> Thierry: ACTION-292
11:42:13 <raphael> ... done
11:42:17 <raphael> close ACTION-292
11:42:17 <trackbot> ACTION-292 Draft response to ivan closed
11:43:05 <raphael> Chris: ACTION-295
11:43:12 <raphael> ... has been done during the f2f
11:43:20 <raphael> close ACTION-295
11:43:20 <trackbot> ACTION-295 Chanage title to plural in api doc closed
11:43:50 <raphael> ... the web site needs to be updated too
11:44:09 <raphael> ACTION: Joakim to update the group web site to reflect the plural in the title and to make working his cvs
11:44:09 <trackbot> Created ACTION-315 - Update the group web site to reflect the plural in the title and to make working his cvs [on Joakim Söderberg - due 2010-09-28].
11:44:37 <raphael> Thierry: I have also done the action of wonsuk
11:44:47 <raphael> close ACTION-296
11:44:48 <trackbot> ACTION-296 Change title to plural in ontology doc closed
11:45:05 <raphael> Thierry: ACTION-297
11:45:33 <raphael> Chris: only the title has been changed !!!
11:45:41 <raphael> ... we need to change this everywhere in the document !!!
11:45:42 <raphael> +1
11:45:49 <florian_pa> +1
11:46:53 <raphael> I have re-opened the action-296 and re-assigned to Thierry
11:47:08 <Chris> also change the mentioning of the "API for Media Resource 1.0" to "API for Media Resources 1.0" in the ontology document please
11:47:14 <raphael> Thierry: regarding the contact to HTML, I have no response
11:47:24 <raphael> ... I will meet the staff contact this afternoon
11:49:00 <raphael> Joakim: I think we should let open this action until TPAC and make sure we talk with this group
11:49:27 <raphael> Joakim: ACTION-298
11:49:32 <raphael> ... I sent an email to Dominique
11:49:58 <raphael> ... asking if there will be a binding for a RESTful API
11:51:04 <raphael> ... it seem they have just discussed this at the moment
11:51:14 <raphael> ... and suggested to bring this to the coordination group
11:51:22 <raphael> ... to see if more people are interested
11:51:53 <raphael> ... I can follow-up this suggestion
11:51:59 <raphael> +1
11:52:44 <raphael> ACTION: pursue development of WebIDL for REST at the Coordination Group meeting
11:52:44 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - pursue
11:53:05 <raphael> ACTION: joakim to pursue development of WebIDL for REST at the Coordination Group meeting
11:53:05 <trackbot> Created ACTION-316 - Pursue development of WebIDL for REST at the Coordination Group meeting [on Joakim Söderberg - due 2010-09-28].
11:53:13 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/09/21-mediaann-minutes.html raphael
11:54:21 <wbailer> raphael: group chair should have received invitation to coordination group
11:54:50 <wbailer> ... chair should send short mail with progress from group and any topics for cc telecon
11:55:34 <wbailer> close action-299
11:55:34 <trackbot> ACTION-299 Change the API interface about Date closed
11:55:50 <Zakim> -raphael
11:56:06 <wbailer> action 300 is pending, joakim has sent mail, but not received an answer
11:56:06 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - 300
11:56:39 <wbailer> chris: action 301 is still open
11:56:45 <wbailer> ... same for 302
11:57:16 <wbailer> joakim: not sure what to do about action 303, what exactly to tell them?
11:58:33 <wbailer> from Comment LC-2419
11:58:53 <wbailer> "note: integration with DAP's Media Capture is likely desirable."
11:59:16 <tmichel> http://www.w3.org/2006/02/lc-comments-tracker/42786/WD-mediaont-api-1.0-20100608/2395?cid=2395
11:59:30 <wbailer> thierry: drafted answer fpr 2395
11:59:37 <wbailer> s/fpr/for/
11:59:49 <wbailer> close action-304
11:59:49 <trackbot> ACTION-304 Draft answer for lc-2395 closed
12:00:19 <wbailer> joakim: concerning action 305, sent mail to doug, no answer yet
12:00:44 <wbailer> close action-306
12:00:44 <trackbot> ACTION-306 Add paragraph to section 2 about support for several metadata sources closed
12:00:59 <wbailer> close action-307
12:00:59 <trackbot> ACTION-307 Fix description of parameters in getoriginaldata (LC-2410) closed
12:01:04 <tmichel> action traker problem ...
12:01:04 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - traker
12:01:09 <tmichel> Based on the changelog, it looks like Wonsuk did this, see e.g.:
12:01:09 <tmichel> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/1?changelog
12:01:30 <wbailer> chris: worked on editorial issues in comment LC-2394, did not draft answer yet
12:02:06 <wbailer> ... open issues: do we need to have a final solution before drafting a response?
12:02:20 <wbailer> ... or can we respond that we are in the process of looking at this
12:02:45 <wbailer> thierry: wait for response from other groups and have resolution
12:03:12 <wbailer> ... if there are many other points, we can send response with resolutions for some of the points
12:03:22 <wbailer> close action-308
12:03:22 <trackbot> ACTION-308 Take care of editorial issues in comment LC-2394 closed
12:03:38 <Zakim> -florian_pa
12:03:55 <wbailer> thierry: sent proposal for normative/non-normative markup
12:04:04 <wbailer> ... leave open until agreed
12:04:49 <wbailer> concerning action 310, werner to send png version to chris
12:05:07 <wbailer> [adjourned]
12:05:13 <Zakim> -Luis
12:05:15 <Zakim> -joakim
12:05:16 <Zakim> -chris
12:05:17 <Zakim> -wbailer
12:05:18 <Zakim> IA_MAWG()7:00AM has ended
12:05:20 <Zakim> Attendees were joakim, wbailer, +1.617.588.aaaa, +329331aabb, +34.93.00.aacc, raphael, chris, florian_pa
12:05:23 <wbailer> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:05:23 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/09/21-mediaann-minutes.html wbailer
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