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SVG Working Group Teleconference

14 Sep 2010

Agenda

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Attendees

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Shepazu, ed, +39.537.7.aaaa, tbah, ChrisL, anthony_wrk
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SV_MEETING_CHAIR
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chris

Contents


<trackbot> Date: 14 September 2010

<scribe> scribe: chris

<scribe> scribenick: chrisl

Last Call Comments

ISSUE-2340?

<trackbot> ISSUE-2340 -- Last Call Comment: view and animation values lists - where can I find the promised note? -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2340

ACTION-2817

ACTION-2817?

<trackbot> ACTION-2817 -- Chris Lilley to add the promised note relating to ISSUE-2340 -- due 2010-07-13 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/actions/2817

test at http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/test/svg/linking-frag-01-f.svg

(chrisl corrects a typo in the test, recommits)

The test checks that an escaped semicolon works the same as an unescaped one

ED: need to debug, think we should pass this. Several values accepted

CL: Transform should show a quarter circle

my email http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-svg/2010Sep/0086.html

ED (checks in debugger)

DS; What about wrapping in quotes?

CL: List is split by semicolons first. Not clear quotes are allowed anyway

ED: Looked at issue-2335, bias

issue-2335?

<trackbot> ISSUE-2335 -- Last Call Comment: Clarify feConvolveMatrix bias property -- raised

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2335

ED: Feedback from Vincent and jasper, agreement on proposed option number 2
... just need to test this and come up with wording
... does change how the spec defines it, and currently Opera, Firefox and ASV agree on bias. But its unused and not useful at present.

<scribe> ... new wording is better

UNKNOWN_SPEAKER: maybe get Inkscape and Opera to pass on the new wording
... checked in tests that Jasper made, colours are different

CL: Inkscape is not using linearRGB

ED: Jasper made tests with sRGB as well

AG: Is option 1 what ASV does?

CL: Yes

<ed> http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2368

ED: Cyril raised an issue on number parsing

ACTION-2843?

<trackbot> ACTION-2843 -- Cyril Concolato to propose new wording for the spec for ISSUE-2368 -- due 2010-09-13 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/actions/2843

(wre link the action to the issue)

ED: Will try to close as many as I can. Others sjould get on and do theirs

Test suite overview

<ed> http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/test/status/test_suite_status.html

ED: Updated the status generator

tbah: what is 'uses red'?

ChrisL: some can't be changed, like the ones on color syntax

DS: Prefer to avoid red in passing tests where possible

ED: Can toggle off the accepted ones so only the ones that need work are seen
... move ones as imageOwner and Reviewed to accepted
... only 14 tests

<ed> http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/test/svg/animate-elem-85-t.svg

description is not done yet

ED: text in operator script could be moved around easily

<ed> Run the test. No interaction required.

<ed> http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/test/svg/animate-elem-90-b.svg

also acceptged

<ed> http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/test/svg/filters-displace-02-f.svg

<ed> http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/test/svg/painting-control-05-f.svg

AG: Opera and Chrome both fail some subtests on that one

also shapes-01-f.svg

ED: Might require an erratum for 1.2T
... and update to 1.2T test suite as well

AG: Does 1.1 say what to do with broken pont lists?

ED: Was clear, then changed in 1.2T not sure why

AG: How different is it?
... Will raise the issue now

ED: and need to fix the 1.2T tests

struct-use-10-f.svg

ED: test description lissing, will shunt it around

AG: shapes-01-f.svg is missing the subsection name

ED: Yes but applies to two subsections

CL: Just link it to the two sections
... or rename to one and say in the dezxcription it tests both sections

struct-use-12-f.svg spelled 'reviewed' incorrectly :)

ED: Script checks for fully red in the reference image

text-align-07-t.svg

CL: Should be an issue because of dominant baseline
... I propose that very old tests which have been out for years, a decade even, be marked with SVGWG as reviewer and accepted

ED: OK

<scribe> ACTION: chris to bulk review the old SVGWG tests with no status that have been published already [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/09/14-svg-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-2870 - Bulk review the old SVGWG tests with no status that have been published already [on Chris Lilley - due 2010-09-21].

AG: Dominant baselines is inconsistent i browsers because it is not clear from the spec how to get it. No viewer gets it right

CL: Question is, is the test implementable or is there an issue/ Where do you get the dominant baseline of a random Unicode character?

AG: Abbra is almost right
... ASV not entirely right

tbah: Sanscrit is supposed to be on hanging baseline?

AG: Yes
... Adobe shid=ft in right direction but not by the right amount. Overshoot for small text sizes

http://www.w3.org/TR/SVG11/text.html#AlignmentProperties

AG: You pull this out of the font

CL: SVG fonts don't have that info.

tbah: Don't think you can get this from Pango.

ED: Does this require getting baseline info? Not available on all platforms

CL: Better to have defined fallback, for SVG 2

<scribe> ACTION: Anthony to investigate how to get dominant baseline [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/09/14-svg-minutes.html#action02]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-2871 - Investigate how to get dominant baseline [on Anthony Grasso - due 2010-09-21].

<scribe> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2010JulSep/0122.html

ED: What is the freeze date for CR report?

CL: without a freeze we won't have any implementation reports

Resolved: test freeze at end of September 2010 for 1.1SE CR report

<scribe> ACTION: Erik to check tests that need to be reviewed before the freeze [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/09/14-svg-minutes.html#action03]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-2872 - Check tests that need to be reviewed before the freeze [on Erik Dahlström - due 2010-09-21].

SVG Integration

ED: Are we trying to get it published so HTML5 is OK for HTML5 last call

AG: I have new generated tables, committed them (checks)
... yes they are checked in. elements table complete
... attr table needs more work

ED: Can we get HTML5 to reference this spec?

DS: Yes, people are interested in integration issues especially implementors
... Jeff Schiller pointed out some issues with iframe/image/object recently
... will get this ready in next week or two

ED: need to move on this before its too late

CL: HTML WG discussed their schedule at HTCG

DS: Several open actions on Integration
... Updated params spec and script implementation, will commit soon

ED: Next FX tf next week? Is that too soon?

adjourned

Summary of Action Items

[NEW] ACTION: Anthony to investigate how to get dominant baseline [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/09/14-svg-minutes.html#action02]
[NEW] ACTION: chris to bulk review the old SVGWG tests with no status that have been published already [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/09/14-svg-minutes.html#action01]
[NEW] ACTION: Erik to check tests that need to be reviewed before the freeze [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/09/14-svg-minutes.html#action03]
 
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