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<renato> i am dialling in now....
<scribe> scribenick: rigo
<scribe> Scribe: Rigo
RI: http://www.w3.org/2010/api-privacy-ws/
is main agenda item today
... tlr will give overview
tlr: draft subject to further
editing, hope to have it out in a week
... 45 participants across industry, around 43 position
papers
... privacy icons idea
... may fail for the same reasons as P3P
... identify the parameters that users care most about and come
up with machine readable things
... others vendors reluctant, but firefox eager to
implement
... other thing: data that is gathered via API from the user,
parallel to geopriv
... what secondary use, how long retain
... user agent incentives, how to set the defaults, is that
desirable, is it ok to leave the enforcement to legal
system...
... fairly interesting research papers, also from GSMA and from
Hannes (for works at IETF)
... clear that there is interest for best practices for
implementation guidance for user agent
... charter an interest group that would succeed PLING and that
is chartered more broadly
RI: PLING would morph into PIG
tlr: PLING chartered until feb
2011, and what focus would draw more focus into the group
... browser vendors not eager to participate in policy
languages
HT: policy languages didn't go anywhere, so we should really question that
RI: how PLING can be better serving to W3C
HT: better to discontinue PLING
and focus on DAP and implementation guidelines
... browser folks actually tried to derail policy languages
discussion
... the browser folks aren't there yet, it is an uphill battle,
nothing gets recognition
tlr: discussions were indeed
difficult
... geolocation implementation experience, when there was
discussion of things that the spec didn't say
... and others shouting that they wouldn't have wanted in the
spec things like user interface guidelines
... browser vendor folks want to be helpful
<renato> Privacy Rulesets
<renato> http://dev.w3.org/2009/dap/privacy-rulesets/
RI: was there some discussions on semantics like retention for those rulesets?
brb
scribe: is that a language that is put together
<tlr> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/2010Jul/0121.html
tlr: proposal evolved, proposed
in the WG later in the week, try to break it down to 3 basic
profiles
... to frame expectations
... lengthy discussion with someone from Chrome, others
comments from browsers were reluctant
RW: PrimeLife in Helsingborg reported about rulesets as a business model of selling them in software
tlr: look at URI, they want to simplify to the max, a complete different approach
HT: data handling workshop, given discussion about the previous workshop
<renato> W3C Workshop on Privacy and data usage control
<renato> 04/05 October 2010, Boston
<renato> http://www.w3.org/2010/policy-ws/
RI: thanks tlr for summary, looking forward for report
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RI: 2.2 OASIS Privacy Management Reference Model (PMRM) Technical Committee
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/oasis-charter-discuss/201006/msg00000.html
RI: has anybody joined
... should we do anything about it?
HT: What are they actually doing
AM: they had a 2 hour telecon,
where they spoke about reference model, very complicated
model
... when you get any kind of data, you have to specify what
kind of data, how long you detain it ... not very different
from P3P, but may be useful to talk to them
RW: is more of competition to ISO SC 27 WG 5
HT: ISO stuff seriously
underspecified
... is OASIS stuff publicly available?
AM: don't know, can dig out the reference model
<renato> The current members:
<renato> http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/membership.php?wg_abbrev=pmrm
AM: top down reference model, than it can be subsetted to special needs
RI: don't know if we have
sufficient momentum for hte best practices
... MAWG we made proposal to include policy languages
<renato> http://www.w3.org/TR/2010/WD-mediaont-10-20100608/#core-property-definitions
ma: policy
tlr: not in the last call tracking, we had some request to them, something looks like we should check
RI: confirm that we should
check
... I'll check that and make sure that they took it up
<tlr> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pling/2010May/0006.html
tlr: last call comments due 11 July, but I think we can still make a comment.
<tlr> also, Creative Commons isn't a "Security Policy"?!
RI: properties ma:copyright and ma:policy are very confusing, that was our main comment
tlr: could rename copyright to ma: riightsholder
<scribe> ACTION: Renato to contact MAWG and propose changes to ma:copyright definition and change "security policy" in ma:policy [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/08/10-pling-minutes.html#action01]
tlr: liaison with geopriv is
mainly done and there are two opposing models and we discussed
a lot with the result to agree to disagree
... so the item is done
http://www.cs.kau.se/IFIP-summerschool/
<renato> ODRL Workshop...privacy, icons, virtual goods... http://virtualgoods.org/2010/program.html
RI: Namur
<renato> Social Web XG - Final Report
<renato> Section on Privacy and other standards: http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/FinalReport#Social_Web_Technologies_and_Standards
RI: social web XG is writing up
final report, but very draft for the moment
... announce Polcy WG
<renato> http://www.w3.org/Policy/pling/wiki/2010-09-14
Next meeting: 14 September with invited talk from Pete Bramhal talking about EnCoRE
RI: AOB?
Adjourned
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