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<trackbot> Date: 23 July 2010
<paolo> won't give me a line
<paolo> will try again]
<Christine> Hi Paolo. I am using the UK bridge.
<paolo> oh so it's you using the line! :-))
<YolandaGil> Paolo: remember to use the new UK number!!
<YolandaGil> Many thanks James!
<scribe> Scribe: James Cheney
<paolo> Chrisitne I am dialing 0203 318 0479
<scribe> ScribeNick: jcheney
<Christine> Yes that is the right number. I had trouble last week though and had to use the USA number
<YolandaGil> Paolo: I had some trouble myself, just keep trying
<paolo> "all circuits are busy now"... ok I will stop the nboise now
<YolandaGil> Paolo: dial 0 and ask for the operator
<Christine> It might be worth waiting a couple more minutes
Yolanda: Discuss scenario progress first
James: No report
Yolanda: Business contract scenario nearing completion
... Try to finish all by next week
<YolandaGil> Paolo can you call in?
Yolanda: Next item: tagging
... Daniel absent, but doing a good job organizing tagging
<paolo> no
<paolo> stull trying
<YolandaGil> Paolo: can you type a brief update?
<paolo> oin tagging?
<YolandaGil> yes
Yolanda: Paolo has made spreadsheet, on google docs, but not everyone can read it.
<paolo> I have updated the googledoc
<paolo> 65 papers tagged
<YolandaGil> we just did the update of the scenarios first in the agenda, now on to tagging
<paolo> (lztest count today)
<YolandaGil> i cannot access that document, sorry
<paolo> havne't done much stats except that the sheet shows
<paolo> that the PML people have been very active :-)
<YolandaGil> this morning the desktop app told me that there were 300+ entries and 75 had been removed on the web site
<Christine> Paolo, am I right in understanding that #use and #PML are the highest counts for tags (at this stage)?
<paolo> ok so there is the duplication issue
<paolo> whcih I find very annnoying but we knoew that
<paolo> so I will try to deal with it
<Paulo> we added 85+
<paolo> becauseI've got 200+ which is not realistic
<Paulo> I am not sure they are dupliucates
<paolo> you guys added 85 papers??
<Paulo> yes
<paolo> asll of them on PML?
<Paulo> no
<YolandaGil> my biggest concern right now is the lack of tags per scenario
<Paulo> some provenance papers from db community
<Paulo> some justification papers from proof theory
Would it make sense to "freeze" the bibliography after duplicate elim? Or too soon?
<paolo> I see 36 papers are tagged #PML which is quite substantial
Yolanda: Tags need to be separated by semicolons
<Paulo> justification= #justification + #entailments
Yolanda: Need tags for scenarios
<paolo> ok I can spend a little curation time early next week
<paolo> for duplication cotrol and tag quality contro;
<paolo> control
<paolo> but I would agree with James that we should probably freeze the biblio
Yolanda: Has any tagging been done per scenario?
... Want to refer to relevant work in state of art report
<paolo> I can't see any scenario-specific tag
<paolo> (and many tags have no # so there's cleanup to do already)
<YolandaGil> most of my papers have them :)
<Paulo> that is also my question
<YolandaGil> I also added it to the OPM paper
<paolo> ok sorry I see News_aggrgator
<paolo> and Disease_outbreak
<Paulo> we need not only to have tag per scenario but also to specific parts of each scenario that we may want to highlight
<paolo> so apologies spoke too soon
Yolanda: reading IRC comments; duplicate elimination doesn't seem to take?
... PML tags: is this a problem? Are these papers relevant?
<Paulo> i would like to relate some of our papers to the scenarios but i just don't how to do it using tags
<paolo> actually if Paulo added 85 papers, the numbers are nearly ok
Yolanda: Disease outbreak, other scenarios: papers by use case contributors could be tagged as relevant
... Will remind people not present to add scenario tags
<YolandaGil> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/prov/wiki/Tagging_ToDos
<Paulo> It has been very interesting to see the paper coverage by tags
Yolanda: Next item: Tagging todos. Papers from ICSM/web/social media literature? Any volunteers?
<Paulo> but what are the tags for those?
Yolanda: Multimedia web semantics references received, will be added/tagged;
... Christine to add papers on watermarking?
Christine: Signed up to do references for authentication but can look into watermarking
<YolandaGil> Paolo: you were going to give us an example of tagging technologies (like Creative Commons)
Yolanda: Papers on query languages?
<paolo> right. have not done it. my week has been turned upside down. sorry
Yolanda: Citations for first scenario?
<YolandaGil> no problem, Paolo
Paulo: Graularity of tags? How to be specific about open questions/issues?
... Almost any paper could be related to a scenario
Yolanda: Use requirement labels as tags?
<YolandaGil> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/prov/wiki/Analysis_of_News_Aggregator_Scenario
Yolanda: Is it hard to figure out how papers fit scenarios?
Paulo: No way to record reason a paper fits a scenario (so others can see)
<YolandaGil> yes, the requirements have labels, and are listed by scenario
(so we should be linking papers to scenarios with rdf, I guess)
Paulo: Tags don't capture much knowledge
Yolanda: Other subject/dimension tags help.
Paulo: Is there a way to create tags that link to wiki?
Yolanda: Good question. Paolo might know?
<paolo> don't think so but
<paolo> I would use the tags as keys into wiki pages
Yolanda: Disease outbreak papers tagged. Any other items?
<paolo> so tags are not URLs if this was the question
<paolo> and I don't think they should be
<paolo> but you can have a wiki page where you maintain a tag -> URL map if you need that
<paolo> that's (tag->URL) map
James: Tagging vs writing directly?
Yolanda: Could start writing paragraphs about related work here and there.
... Next, business contract scenario.
... Papers on electronic medical records? Jim plans to do but hasn't yet
<paolo> I will have abother simple request on tagging when that's appropriate -- I can do that by email though
Yolanda: Papers on log mining, process mining relevant. Others?
... Will remind everyone what needs to be done
... Last item: relevant technologies and standards
<Christine> Yes, I thought this is what I was collecting papers for
Yolanda: Want to tag technologies as relevant to scenarios
... Changeset relevance?
James: Changeset relevant to versioning, mentioned in several scenarios
Yolanda: POWDER? Anyone know about it?
... Named graphs? Relevant to disease outbreak?
... Same for SW publishing, web of trust?
... VoID? Open Archive?
Sam: OAI provides some things similar to named graphs (?)
Yolanda: Some technologies may not be relevant (or doesn't need to be discussed extensively)
... Have construed provenance very broadly
... Important now to zero in on a focused message (5-10 high payoff goals)
<Christine> It would be useful to have this in language that is understandable for people outside the provenance area.
Yolanda: PREMIS?
Sam: PREMIS deals with digital signatures, rights - fits with news scenario
Yolanda: Please tag appropriately
... DOD discovery metadata, Provenir, InferenceWeb/PML tagged
... ISO 8000, ODRL? need to be tagged
... Identifying next steps for people on call
<YolandaGil> Jun: if you are not on the phone, will you be able to contribute to tagging in the coming week? we are going around the table
Christine: Will tag auth/watermarking
<YolandaGil> Paolo: will you be able to help this coming week?
(did everyone else get cut off or just me?)
James: Suggest focusing on 1-2 things
<Christine> I'm still online.
Paulo: News aggregator similar to some work done on PML.
<Christine> James are you online?
back online now
<paolo> it's e-science deadline week but I will try
Sam: Participating in mappings; slow progress
Yolanda: Will follow up on tagging todos, writing paragraphs. Adjourned.
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