Provenance Incubator Group Teleconference -- 23 Jul 2010

<trackbot> Date: 23 July 2010

<paolo> won't give me a line

<paolo> will try again]

<Christine> Hi Paolo. I am using the UK bridge.

<paolo> oh so it's you using the line! :-))

<YolandaGil> Paolo: remember to use the new UK number!!

<YolandaGil> Many thanks James!

<scribe> Scribe: James Cheney

<paolo> Chrisitne I am dialing 0203 318 0479

<scribe> ScribeNick: jcheney

<Christine> Yes that is the right number. I had trouble last week though and had to use the USA number

<YolandaGil> Paolo: I had some trouble myself, just keep trying

<paolo> "all circuits are busy now"... ok I will stop the nboise now

<YolandaGil> Paolo: dial 0 and ask for the operator

<Christine> It might be worth waiting a couple more minutes

Yolanda: Discuss scenario progress first

James: No report

Yolanda: Business contract scenario nearing completion
... Try to finish all by next week

<YolandaGil> Paolo can you call in?

Yolanda: Next item: tagging
... Daniel absent, but doing a good job organizing tagging

<paolo> no

<paolo> stull trying

<YolandaGil> Paolo: can you type a brief update?

<paolo> oin tagging?

<YolandaGil> yes

Yolanda: Paolo has made spreadsheet, on google docs, but not everyone can read it.

<paolo> I have updated the googledoc

<paolo> 65 papers tagged

<YolandaGil> we just did the update of the scenarios first in the agenda, now on to tagging

<paolo> (lztest count today)

<YolandaGil> i cannot access that document, sorry

<paolo> havne't done much stats except that the sheet shows

<paolo> that the PML people have been very active :-)

<paolo> http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0Ak69UO5fDWWpdDFsZ1J5dFQ2YmNXc3g4Rm1yMHVKblE&authkey=CKH5zZ0K&hl=en#gid=0

<YolandaGil> this morning the desktop app told me that there were 300+ entries and 75 had been removed on the web site

<Christine> Paolo, am I right in understanding that #use and #PML are the highest counts for tags (at this stage)?

<paolo> ok so there is the duplication issue

<paolo> whcih I find very annnoying but we knoew that

<paolo> so I will try to deal with it

<Paulo> we added 85+

<paolo> becauseI've got 200+ which is not realistic

<Paulo> I am not sure they are dupliucates

<paolo> you guys added 85 papers??

<Paulo> yes

<paolo> asll of them on PML?

<Paulo> no

<YolandaGil> my biggest concern right now is the lack of tags per scenario

<Paulo> some provenance papers from db community

<Paulo> some justification papers from proof theory

Would it make sense to "freeze" the bibliography after duplicate elim? Or too soon?

<paolo> I see 36 papers are tagged #PML which is quite substantial

Yolanda: Tags need to be separated by semicolons

<Paulo> justification= #justification + #entailments

Yolanda: Need tags for scenarios

<paolo> ok I can spend a little curation time early next week

<paolo> for duplication cotrol and tag quality contro;

<paolo> control

<paolo> but I would agree with James that we should probably freeze the biblio

Yolanda: Has any tagging been done per scenario?
... Want to refer to relevant work in state of art report

<paolo> I can't see any scenario-specific tag

<paolo> (and many tags have no # so there's cleanup to do already)

<YolandaGil> most of my papers have them :)

<Paulo> that is also my question

<YolandaGil> I also added it to the OPM paper

<paolo> ok sorry I see News_aggrgator

<paolo> and Disease_outbreak

<Paulo> we need not only to have tag per scenario but also to specific parts of each scenario that we may want to highlight

<paolo> so apologies spoke too soon

Yolanda: reading IRC comments; duplicate elimination doesn't seem to take?
... PML tags: is this a problem? Are these papers relevant?

<Paulo> i would like to relate some of our papers to the scenarios but i just don't how to do it using tags

<paolo> actually if Paulo added 85 papers, the numbers are nearly ok

Yolanda: Disease outbreak, other scenarios: papers by use case contributors could be tagged as relevant
... Will remind people not present to add scenario tags

<YolandaGil> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/prov/wiki/Tagging_ToDos

<Paulo> It has been very interesting to see the paper coverage by tags

Yolanda: Next item: Tagging todos. Papers from ICSM/web/social media literature? Any volunteers?

<Paulo> but what are the tags for those?

Yolanda: Multimedia web semantics references received, will be added/tagged;
... Christine to add papers on watermarking?

Christine: Signed up to do references for authentication but can look into watermarking

<YolandaGil> Paolo: you were going to give us an example of tagging technologies (like Creative Commons)

Yolanda: Papers on query languages?

<paolo> right. have not done it. my week has been turned upside down. sorry

Yolanda: Citations for first scenario?

<YolandaGil> no problem, Paolo

Paulo: Graularity of tags? How to be specific about open questions/issues?
... Almost any paper could be related to a scenario

Yolanda: Use requirement labels as tags?

<YolandaGil> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/prov/wiki/Analysis_of_News_Aggregator_Scenario

Yolanda: Is it hard to figure out how papers fit scenarios?

Paulo: No way to record reason a paper fits a scenario (so others can see)

<YolandaGil> yes, the requirements have labels, and are listed by scenario

(so we should be linking papers to scenarios with rdf, I guess)

Paulo: Tags don't capture much knowledge

Yolanda: Other subject/dimension tags help.

Paulo: Is there a way to create tags that link to wiki?

Yolanda: Good question. Paolo might know?

<paolo> don't think so but

<paolo> I would use the tags as keys into wiki pages

Yolanda: Disease outbreak papers tagged. Any other items?

<paolo> so tags are not URLs if this was the question

<paolo> and I don't think they should be

<paolo> but you can have a wiki page where you maintain a tag -> URL map if you need that

<paolo> that's (tag->URL) map

James: Tagging vs writing directly?

Yolanda: Could start writing paragraphs about related work here and there.
... Next, business contract scenario.
... Papers on electronic medical records? Jim plans to do but hasn't yet

<paolo> I will have abother simple request on tagging when that's appropriate -- I can do that by email though

Yolanda: Papers on log mining, process mining relevant. Others?
... Will remind everyone what needs to be done
... Last item: relevant technologies and standards

<YolandaGil> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/prov/wiki/Related_Work_Across_Scenarios#Relevant_Technologies_and_Standards_for_the_Working_Group

<Christine> Yes, I thought this is what I was collecting papers for

Yolanda: Want to tag technologies as relevant to scenarios
... Changeset relevance?

James: Changeset relevant to versioning, mentioned in several scenarios

Yolanda: POWDER? Anyone know about it?
... Named graphs? Relevant to disease outbreak?
... Same for SW publishing, web of trust?
... VoID? Open Archive?

Sam: OAI provides some things similar to named graphs (?)

Yolanda: Some technologies may not be relevant (or doesn't need to be discussed extensively)
... Have construed provenance very broadly
... Important now to zero in on a focused message (5-10 high payoff goals)

<Christine> It would be useful to have this in language that is understandable for people outside the provenance area.

Yolanda: PREMIS?

Sam: PREMIS deals with digital signatures, rights - fits with news scenario

Yolanda: Please tag appropriately
... DOD discovery metadata, Provenir, InferenceWeb/PML tagged
... ISO 8000, ODRL? need to be tagged
... Identifying next steps for people on call

<YolandaGil> Jun: if you are not on the phone, will you be able to contribute to tagging in the coming week? we are going around the table

Christine: Will tag auth/watermarking

<YolandaGil> Paolo: will you be able to help this coming week?

(did everyone else get cut off or just me?)

James: Suggest focusing on 1-2 things

<Christine> I'm still online.

Paulo: News aggregator similar to some work done on PML.

<Christine> James are you online?

back online now

<paolo> it's e-science deadline week but I will try

Sam: Participating in mappings; slow progress

Yolanda: Will follow up on tagging todos, writing paragraphs. Adjourned.

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Provenance Incubator Group Teleconference

23 Jul 2010

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