Mobile Web Best Practices Working Group Teleconference

<brucel> hmmm Mr Zakim seems reluctant to let me join thru phone

Charter extension status

dka: I'm about to board, so not much time...

francois: extension status is ongoing, there needs to be a decision from W3C management, but hasn't been. It'll be discussed tomorrow.
... There's nothing to worry about.

2. MWABP Status (and decision on republication to last call)

dka: Francois, you asked if we should prepare a version of the document, and review that version for prepublication of last call.

francois: I asked Adam to prepare a revised version with the 2 BPs we resolved to demote 2 weeks ago, demoted.
... maybe he's on vacation?

dka: In the interests of expediency, could you prepare the document?

<EdC> Is there a deadline on that specific MWABP topic ?

francois: I can prepare an updated version of this doc. I suggested to move these 2 BPs along with the fake SVG BP and can that.
... my point being, we've already said the use of SVG and Canvas isn't a BP
... it looks like an advisory thing, so we move the BPs to be a similar advisory note and add an introductory text.

dka: Let's take a resolution.

<EdC> Good point, and this keeps topics alive (people get aware that there might be more about, though it is not quite clear whether a best practice exists yet).

dka: or record we agreed to do this.

<francois> PROPOSED RESOLUTION: move best practices 5. and 6. to "Further considerations" section along with advisory on use on canvas and SVG, and add introductory text to say that they are strong advisory notes

<DKA> +1

<francois> +1

+1

<EdC> +1 (is "strong advisory note" formally defined somehow ?)

dka: want me to write this?

francois: please do.

<francois> ACTION: DKA to write the explanatory text for the "further considerations" section. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/07/06-bpwg-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-1061 - Write the explanatory text for the "further considerations" section. [on Daniel Appelquist - due 2010-07-13].

francois: the sooner we publish, the better. We can say we'll publish unless someone really objects by next Tuesday.
... we can push to publish on Thursday but it'll be hard.

dka: let's go for next tuesday

RESOLUTION: move best practices 5. and 6. to "Further considerations" section along with advisory on use on canvas and SVG, and add introductory text to say that they are strong advisory notes

3. CT Status

francois: we have some actions to ping implementers... I tried to contact Openwave, but no response so far.

dka: likewise me with Bytemobile.
... I also took an action to chase up Vodafone and haven't EXECUTED that yet
... I'm going to chase that up again
... visit his house

<DKA> :)

francois: you may have noticed that dot-mobi launched a project to create a test suite based on the guidelines and possibly the manifesto, I tried to contact Ronan asking if he would consider doing it within the BPWG
... right now things will stay as they are.

<EdC> Note that Jo was to ping dotMobi, Google, and Francois Jerome from Orange (from last minutes).

dka: there was a guy involved with the group who was in charge of the CT stuff in google. that's who we should be talking to.

<brucel> (can't login with US number; am following chat)

francois: he left google iirc. He was active in CTTF, then disappeared...

dka: chase up Adam?

francois: It was Aaron Kemp

dka: sean, any news on CT or implementation reports?

seanP: is "implementation report" different to a conformance report?

dka: we're talking about running services - installations, as it were.
... each one of these can be set up with different business rules. The important thing is to note the installations.

seanp: what's the format for these?

francois: Filling out the ICS template that got published with the doc.
... so it is a conformance report for the product
... from your perspective, we're after a conformance statement to the public mailing list

seanp: it's worth getting conformance reports from deployments.

dka: in the act of asking for the reports, this might prompt changes.

francois: it depends how you deviate from the guidelines.. if there are key deviations or there are guidelines you dont follow because you have good reasons...

seanp: ok, I'll see what I can do here... I'm not sure what process will be followed here.
... let me find out what we can do.

dka: AOB?
... ok, let's close.
... I think Jo will be chairing next week...

<francois> [my regrets for next week]