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13:29:37 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be BPWG
13:29:37 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot
13:29:38 <trackbot> Meeting: Mobile Web Best Practices Working Group Teleconference
13:29:38 <trackbot> Date: 06 July 2010
13:29:45 <francois> Chair: DKA
13:30:01 <francois> Regrets: jo, miguel, yeliz
13:31:06 <DKA> No code?
13:31:15 <DKA> Zakim nit working.
13:31:16 <tomhume> dialling in..
13:31:39 <francois> zakim, room for 10?
13:31:42 <Zakim> ok, francois; conference Team_(bpwg)13:31Z scheduled with code 26631 (CONF1) for 60 minutes until 1431Z; however, please note that capacity is now overbooked
13:31:47 <DKA> :)
13:32:08 <Zakim> Team_(bpwg)13:31Z has now started
13:32:17 <Zakim> +DKA
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13:32:51 <Zakim> +francois
13:33:14 <francois> zakim, code?
13:33:14 <Zakim> the conference code is 26631 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), francois
13:33:25 <DKA> Yep - remote bridges are still foobar
13:33:42 <Zakim> + +44.797.178.aaaa
13:33:51 <tomhume> zakim, +44.797.178.aaaa is me
13:33:51 <Zakim> +tomhume; got it
13:34:31 <francois> ack tomhume 
13:34:39 <Zakim> + +41.31.972.aabb
13:34:42 <francois> scribe: tomhume
13:34:47 <brucel> hmmm Mr Zakim seems reluctant to let me join thru phone
13:34:47 <francois> zakim, aabb is EdC
13:34:47 <Zakim> +EdC; got it
13:34:49 <DKA> Topic: extension
13:35:15 <tomhume> Topic: 1. Charter extension status
13:35:33 <tomhume> dka: I'm about to board, so not much time...
13:35:52 <tomhume> francois: extension status is ongoing, there needs to be a decision from W3C management, but hasn't been. It'll be discussed tomorrow.
13:35:59 <tomhume> ... There's nothing to worry about.
13:36:25 <tomhume> Topic: 2. MWABP Status (and decision on republication to last call)
13:36:47 <tomhume> dka: Francois, you asked if we should prepare a version of the document, and review that version for prepublication of last call.
13:37:07 <tomhume> francois: I asked Adam to prepare a revised version with the 2 BPs we resolved to demote 2 weeks ago, demoted.
13:37:17 <tomhume> ... maybe he's on vacation?
13:37:35 <tomhume> dka: In the interests of expediency, ????
13:37:39 <EdC> Is there a deadline on that specific MWABP topic ?
13:38:09 <tomhume> francois: I can prepare an updated version of this doc. I suggested to move these 2 BPs along with the fake SVG BP and can that.
13:38:19 <tomhume> ... my point being, we've already said the use of SVG and Canvas isn't a BP
13:38:48 <tomhume> ... it looks like an advisory thing, so we move the BPs to be a similar advisory note and add an introductory text.
13:39:03 <tomhume> dka: Let's take a resolution.
13:39:10 <EdC> Good point, and this keeps topics alive (people get aware that there might be more about, though it is not quite clear whether a best practice exists yet).
13:39:12 <tomhume> ... or record we agreed to do this.
13:40:00 <francois> PROPOSED RESOLUTION: move best practices 5. and 6. to "Further considerations" section along with advisory on use on canvas and SVG, and add introductory text to say that they are strong advisory notes
13:40:05 <DKA> +1
13:40:11 <francois> +1
13:40:13 <tomhume> +1
13:40:32 <EdC> +1 (is "strong advisory note" formally defined somehow ?)
13:40:40 <tomhume> dka: want me to write this?
13:40:45 <tomhume> francois: please do.
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13:41:09 <francois> ACTION: DKA to write the explanatory text for the "further considerations" section.
13:41:09 <trackbot> Created ACTION-1061 - Write the explanatory text for the "further considerations" section. [on Daniel Appelquist - due 2010-07-13].
13:41:33 <tomhume> francois: the sooner we publish, the better. We can say we'll publish unless someone really objects by next Tuesday.
13:41:47 <tomhume> ... we can push to publish on Thursday but it'll be hard.
13:41:51 <tomhume> dka: let's go for next tuesday
13:42:46 <tomhume> RESOLUTION: move best practices 5. and 6. to "Further considerations" section along with advisory on use on canvas and SVG, and add introductory text to say that they are strong advisory notes
13:42:50 <tomhume> Topic: 3. CT Status
13:43:22 <tomhume> francois: we have some actions to ping implementers... I tried to contact Openwave, but no response so far.
13:43:29 <tomhume> dka: likewise me with Bytemobile.
13:43:43 <tomhume> ... I also took an action to chase up Vodafone and haven't EXECUTED that yet
13:43:53 <tomhume> ... I'm going to chase that up again
13:44:00 <tomhume> ... visit his house
13:44:32 <DKA> :)
13:45:35 <tomhume> francois: you may have noticed that dot-mobi launched a project to create a test suite based on the guidelines and possibly the manifesto, I tried to contact Ronan asking if he would consider doing it within the BPWG
13:45:50 <tomhume> ... right now things will stay as they are.
13:45:55 <EdC> Note that Jo was to ping dotMobi, Google, and François Jérôme from Orange (from last minutes).
13:47:09 <tomhume> dka: there was a guy involved with the group who was in charge of the CT stuff in google. that's who we should be talking to.
13:47:37 <brucel> (can't login with US number; am following chat)
13:47:40 <tomhume> francois: he left google iirc. He was active in CTTF, then disappeared...
13:48:00 <tomhume> dka: chase up Adam?
13:48:04 <SeanP> Zakim, code?
13:48:04 <Zakim> the conference code is 26631 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), SeanP
13:48:13 <tomhume> francois: It was Aaron Kemp
13:48:44 <Zakim> + +1.630.414.aacc
13:49:04 <francois> zakim, aacc is SeanP
13:49:04 <Zakim> +SeanP; got it
13:49:34 <tomhume> dka: sean, any news on CT or implementation reports?
13:49:54 <tomhume> seanP: is "implementation report" different to a conformance report?
13:50:11 <tomhume> dka: we're talking about running services - installations, as it were.
13:50:25 <tomhume> ...each one of these can be set up with different business rules. The important thing is to note the installations.
13:50:53 <tomhume> seanp: what's the format for these?
13:51:37 <tomhume> francois: Filling out the ICS template that got published with the doc.
13:51:49 <tomhume> ... so it is a conformance report for the product
13:52:01 <tomhume> ... from your perspective, we're after a conformance statement to the public mailing list
13:53:37 <tomhume> seanp: it's worth getting conformance reports from deployments. 
13:53:51 <tomhume> dka: in the act of asking for the reports, this might prompt changes.
13:54:30 <tomhume> francois: it depends how you deviate from the guidelines.. if there are key deviations or there are guidelines you dont follow because you have good reasons...
13:55:01 <tomhume> seanp: ok, I'll see what I can do here... I'm not sure what process will be followed here. 
13:55:07 <tomhume> ... let me find out what we can do.
13:55:25 <tomhume> dka: AOB?
13:55:39 <tomhume> ... ok, let's close.
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13:56:04 <tomhume> dka: I think Jo will be chairing next week...
13:56:09 <francois> [my regrets for next week]
13:56:24 <Zakim> -tomhume
13:56:28 <Zakim> -francois
13:56:30 <Zakim> -EdC
13:56:32 <Zakim> -SeanP
13:56:41 <Zakim> -DKA
13:56:42 <Zakim> Team_(bpwg)13:31Z has ended
13:56:44 <Zakim> Attendees were DKA, francois, tomhume, +41.31.972.aabb, EdC, +1.630.414.aacc, SeanP
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13:57:28 <francois> RRSAgent, draft minutes
13:57:28 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/07/06-bpwg-minutes.html francois
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