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<trackbot> Date: 24 June 2010
<Philip> taptapir: It'll only halt if you do lots and lots of computation in the script, or use alert or synchronous XMLHttpRequest etc
<taptapir> Philip: hmm that should work thanks
<Philip> taptapir: Hmm, if you want to continue discussion then I suggest #whatwg on Freenode since it'll get noisy in here for a bit
<pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 10009] excellent thank you for all <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Jun/0351.html> 4** [Bug 10010] excellent!!! thank you for all <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Jun/0350.html> 4** [Bug 10010] New: excellent!!! thank you for all <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Jun/0349.html> 4** [Bug 10009] New: excellent thank you for all <11http://lis
<Mark> Mark Foladare (Mark) fro AT&T is on the phone
<scribe> scribe: paulc
No action items to discuss
<rubys> ISSUE-105?
issue-105?
<mjs> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/105
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-105 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
<trackbot> ISSUE-105 -- allow image maps on the canvas element -- open
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/105
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-105 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
<trackbot> ISSUE-105 -- allow image maps on the canvas element -- open
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/105
Status of 105: Objection from the Editor is being discussed.
The objection is being evaluated.
Janina: related to a proposal
from Charles.
... Should I report on this now?
... A11Y TF made a proposal here which caused Charles to come
forward.
... The TF recommends that this discussion be done in the WG
decision process.
... It look like the people involved are working on another
proposal which would include Charles's input.
No other discussion.
Issue-107?
<trackbot> ISSUE-107 -- Politics in fallback example for plugin usage -- open
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/107
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-107 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
This change proposal passed , the editor made a change not exactly matching the proposed change and the change was not made in the WHAT WG spec.
This is being discussed on the mailing list.
Issue is still Open until the WG decision is verified as being made.
None
<rubys> http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/40318/issue-30-objection-poll/
There are 2 new surveys for Issue 30 and 88
Issue-30?
<trackbot> ISSUE-30 -- Should HTML 5 include a longdesc attribute for images -- open
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/30
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-30 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
Issue-88?
<trackbot> ISSUE-88 -- Should meta/@content allow a list of languages instead of just a single language? -- open
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/88
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-88 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
<rubys> http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/40318/issue-88-objection-poll/
Surveys opened June 23 and close on Wed Jun 30
No discussion.
Topic Workgroup decisions
Issues-93, 95, 96 and 97 are awaiting Chair decision. No progress to report.
Issue-93
Issue-93?
<trackbot> ISSUE-93 -- Delete Details Element -- open
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/93
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-93 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
Issue-95?
<trackbot> ISSUE-95 -- Remove/Discard the Hidden Attribute -- open
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/95
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-95 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
Issue-96?
<trackbot> ISSUE-96 -- Remove/Discard the Progress Element -- open
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/96
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-96 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
Issue-97?
<trackbot> ISSUE-97 -- Remove/Discard the Meter Element -- open
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/97
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-97 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
No discussion.
Topic Heartbeat WDs and First Public WDs
Target publication date is today (Jun 24) and alternate date is Mon Jun 28
We should be good to go today?
<rubys> MikeSmith?
MikeSmith: Are we good to go with the publications today?
A11Y TF report:
Janina: We discussed
canvas-usemap earlier in the call (issue-105)
... ARIA mappings sub-group has provided the TF a report
... The recommendation is to re-write a complete section
(3.2.4.6?)
... There is questiona about whether there should be individual
bugs filed for each low level change in light of the desire to
do a complete re-write
Correction: section number is 3.2.6
Janina: The TF feels there was
little Accessibility expert input on this section and thus the
desire to re-write the entire section.
... How do we do this in face of the current WG Decision
Policy?
... A11Y TF is looking for guidance.
Sam: The minimum is at least one bug.
Maciej: I believe that 10 or 100's is required.
Correction: Maciej: I believe that 10 or 100 is NOT required.
<Laura> ISSUE-35: http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/35
<trackbot> ISSUE-35 Need to define processing requirements for aria states and properties when used in html notes added
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-35 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
<Laura> ISSUE-14: http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/14
<trackbot> ISSUE-14 Integration of WAI-ARIA roles into HTML5 notes added
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-14 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
Janina: Issues 14 and 35 might be appropriate bugs to reference. They are closed.
Sam: Why cannot we start with new
bugs?
... A single bug with the rationale for the entire re-write is
the "minimum" required here.
Janina: Okay I will take this back to the TF.
Paul: We should be looking for the "minimum required to declare victory" AND to be in sync with the Decision Policy.
Janina: Working on media
accessibility - the good news is that there appears to be more
agreement than initially thought
... Very please with Media Group progress.
... Working on Drag and Drop
... Working on Access Key which is coming via PF WG.
... No ETA's on the Media Group, Drag and Drop or Access Key
issue change proposals.
Sam: Any more discussion.
No more discussion
Testing TF report:
<krisk> Group Meets again on 6/29
Kris: more activity this month
<krisk> Philip Taylor will be submitting a very large set of canvas tests
<krisk> Microsoft has submitted a few batches of tests for Audio, Video, Canvas, XHTML5, getElementsByClassName and Selection
<krisk> I hope for more participation and feedback on submitted test
1 Approved test with no bugs
TF has about 200 and is expecting another 800 canvas tests RSN
<krisk> I hope for more participation and feedback on submitted test
Kris: Is hoping for more approved test in the future. We need feedback on the submitted tests.
issue-9?
<trackbot> ISSUE-9 -- how accessibility works for <video> is unclear -- open
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/9
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-9 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
Janina: Document exists, survey
was run in TF, trying to revise document in TF
... There is effort to get agreement and the draft change
proposal (V2) is being worked on.
<Laura> Media Accessibility Requirements Survey: http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/44061/20080526_media-requirements/results
<pimpbot> Title: Results of Questionnaire Review of Media Accessibility Requirements - Web-Based Straw-poll and Balloting System (at www.w3.org)
Janina: ETA for V2 change
proposal is mid-July.
... Early fall for a "recommendation".
Sam: Target date was May 27.
<Laura> Media Accessibility Requirements Draft: Media Accessibility Requirements
<Laura> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/Media_Accessibility_Requirements
<pimpbot> Title: Media Accessibility Requirements - HTML accessibility task force Wiki (at www.w3.org)
Janina: The May 27 date was for a Requirements document which was met.
Correction: references to "change proposal" should have been "requirements documents"
Janina: it is going to take several months to take the Requirements to one or more change proposals.
<rubys> issue-9?
<trackbot> ISSUE-9 -- how accessibility works for <video> is unclear -- open
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/9
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-9 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
Sam: What do we do with the status of Issue-9?
Janina: It need to stay open since we need to add spec material on media accessibility.
Sam: Any other discussion.
No more discussion.
Issue-27?
<trackbot> ISSUE-27 -- @rel value ownership, registry consideration -- open
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/27
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-27 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
<Julian> Iana status: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-announce/2010AprJun/0022.html
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-27, was: Fwd: {agenda} HTML WG telecon 2010-07-24: issues, surveys, decisions, publication status, TF reports from Julian Reschke on 2010-06-23 (public-html-wg-announce@w3.org from April to June 2010) (at lists.w3.org)
Sam: On hold for a registry - past Apr 13 hold date.
Julian: IANA is a bit confused
about the spec description of the registry.
... Not sure of this internal discussion but I suggest we test
the registry once it is there.
... The document for the link relationship needs to be
prepared.
Ian and Lief have volunteered to test the registry but we still need to have access to it.
<scribe> ACTION: on paulc to followup with Mark Nottingham about the status of the IANA registry needed for Issue-27 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/06/24-html-wg-minutes.html#action01]
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<scribe> ACTION: paulc to followup with Mark Nottingham about the status of the IANA registry needed for Issue-27 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/06/24-html-wg-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-182 - Followup with Mark Nottingham about the status of the IANA registry needed for Issue-27 [on Paul Cotton - due 2010-07-01].
<Julian> On the IANA registry: I believe this is currently being discussed between IANA and IESG; not sure what the current status is.
Sam and Paul give regrets for Jul 1 - Sam is travelling, Paul is celebrating Canada Day
<Julian> In any case, testing the registry will require a spec for a link relation, so I suggest those who want to test the registry to start preparing it.
Maciej will chair next week
Any volunteers to scribe?
No volunteers.
<Laura> bye
Meeting adjourned at 12:42 ET
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