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15:59:22 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be HTML
15:59:22 <Zakim> HTML matches both WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)11:00AM and HTML_WG()12:00PM
15:59:23 <trackbot> Meeting: HTML Weekly Teleconference
15:59:23 <trackbot> Date: 24 June 2010
15:59:28 <rubys> zakim, this will be HTML_WG
15:59:28 <Zakim> ok, rubys, I see HTML_WG()12:00PM already started
15:59:39 <Philip> taptapir: It'll only halt if you do lots and lots of computation in the script, or use alert or synchronous XMLHttpRequest etc
15:59:40 <taptapir> Philip: hmm that should work thanks
15:59:58 <Philip> taptapir: Hmm, if you want to continue discussion then I suggest #whatwg on Freenode since it'll get noisy in here for a bit
16:00:25 <Zakim> +Sam
16:00:28 <Julian> Zakim, who's on the phone?
16:00:28 <Zakim> On the phone I see Radhika_Roy, ??P12, Sam
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16:00:37 <Zakim> -??P12
16:00:39 <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 10009] excellent thank you for all <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Jun/0351.html> 4** [Bug 10010] excellent!!! thank you for all <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Jun/0350.html> 4** [Bug 10010] New: excellent!!! thank you for all <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Jun/0349.html> 4** [Bug 10009] New: excellent thank you for all <11http://lis
16:01:12 <Zakim> +Michael_Cooper
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16:01:34 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
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16:01:40 <janina> zakim, call janina
16:01:40 <Zakim> ok, janina; the call is being made
16:01:41 <Mark> Mark Foladare (Mark) fro AT&T is on the phone
16:01:42 <Zakim> +Janina
16:01:43 <Zakim> + +1.206.850.aaaa
16:01:51 <Zakim> + +1.206.922.aabb
16:01:56 <paulc> zakim, [Microsft] has paulc
16:01:56 <Zakim> sorry, paulc, I do not recognize a party named '[Microsft]'
16:02:05 <Zakim> +[Microsoft.a]
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16:02:07 <paulc> zakim, [Microsoft] has paulc
16:02:07 <Zakim> +paulc; got it
16:02:10 <adrianba> zakim, aabb is me
16:02:10 <Zakim> +adrianba; got it
16:02:13 <paulc> scribe: paulc
16:02:33 <krisk> zakim, [Microsoft.a] is krisk
16:02:33 <Zakim> +krisk; got it
16:03:13 <Zakim> + +1.415.595.aacc
16:03:31 <mjs> zakim, +1.415.595.aacc is me
16:03:31 <Zakim> +mjs; got it
16:03:32 <Zakim> +??P27
16:03:49 <MikeSmith> zakim, call Mike
16:03:49 <Zakim> ok, MikeSmith; the call is being made
16:03:50 <Zakim> +Mike
16:03:51 <Julian> Zakim, +??P27 is me
16:03:51 <Zakim> sorry, Julian, I do not recognize a party named '+??P27'
16:03:56 <rubys> topic: ACTION items due by Thu Jun 24 
16:04:03 <Julian> Zakim, P27 is me
16:04:04 <Zakim> sorry, Julian, I do not recognize a party named 'P27'
16:04:11 <Julian> Zakim, ?P27 is me
16:04:11 <Zakim> sorry, Julian, I do not recognize a party named '?P27'
16:04:12 <paulc> No action items to discuss
16:04:16 <Julian> Zakim, ??P27 is me
16:04:16 <Zakim> +Julian; got it
16:04:24 <rubys> topic: Items that close this week (by Thu Jun 24) 
16:04:35 <rubys> ISSUE-105?
16:04:36 <paulc> issue-105?
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16:05:15 <mjs> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/105
16:05:16 <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-105 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
16:05:33 <trackbot> ISSUE-105 -- allow image maps on the canvas element -- open
16:05:35 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/105
16:05:36 <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-105 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
16:05:39 <trackbot> ISSUE-105 -- allow image maps on the canvas element -- open
16:05:40 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/105
16:06:00 <paulc> Status of 105: Objection from the Editor is being discussed.
16:06:30 <paulc> The objection is being evaluated.
16:06:42 <paulc> Janina: related to a proposal from Charles.
16:06:51 <paulc> Janina: Should I report on this now?
16:07:16 <paulc> Janina: A11Y TF made a proposal here which caused Charles to come forward.  
16:07:39 <paulc> Janina: The TF recommends that this discussion be done in the WG decision process.
16:08:14 <paulc> Janina: It look like the people involved are working on another proposal which would include Charles's input.
16:08:57 <paulc> No other discussion.
16:09:01 <paulc> Issue-107?
16:09:01 <trackbot> ISSUE-107 -- Politics in fallback example for plugin usage -- open
16:09:01 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/107
16:09:03 <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-107 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
16:09:35 <paulc> This change proposal passed ,  the editor made a change not exactly matching the proposed change and the change was not made in the WHAT WG spec.
16:09:46 <paulc> This is being discussed on the mailing list.
16:10:08 <paulc> Issue is still Open until the WG decision is verified as being made.
16:10:09 <Zakim> - +1.206.850.aaaa
16:10:16 <paulc> Topic: New issues
16:10:27 <paulc> None
16:10:33 <paulc> Topic: New surveys
16:10:41 <rubys> http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/40318/issue-30-objection-poll/
16:10:44 <Zakim> + +1.206.850.aadd
16:10:48 <paulc> There are 2 new surveys for Issue 30 and 88
16:10:51 <paulc> Issue-30?
16:10:51 <trackbot> ISSUE-30 -- Should HTML 5 include a longdesc attribute for images -- open
16:10:51 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/30
16:10:53 <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-30 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
16:10:59 <paulc> Issue-88?
16:10:59 <trackbot> ISSUE-88 -- Should meta/@content allow a list of languages instead of just a single language? -- open
16:10:59 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/88
16:11:00 <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-88 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
16:11:07 <rubys> http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/40318/issue-88-objection-poll/
16:11:16 <paulc> Surveys opened June 23 and close on Wed Jun 30
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16:11:26 <paulc> No discussion.
16:11:43 <paulc> Topic Workgroup decisions
16:12:02 <Zakim> +Laura_Carlson
16:12:05 <paulc> Issues-93, 95, 96 and 97 are awaiting Chair decision.  No progress to report.
16:12:09 <paulc> Issue-93
16:12:15 <paulc> Issue-93?
16:12:15 <trackbot> ISSUE-93 -- Delete Details Element -- open
16:12:15 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/93
16:12:16 <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-93 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
16:12:20 <paulc> Issue-95?
16:12:20 <trackbot> ISSUE-95 -- Remove/Discard the Hidden Attribute -- open
16:12:20 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/95
16:12:22 <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-95 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
16:12:27 <paulc> Issue-96?
16:12:27 <trackbot> ISSUE-96 -- Remove/Discard the Progress Element -- open
16:12:27 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/96
16:12:28 <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-96 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
16:12:32 <paulc> Issue-97?
16:12:32 <trackbot> ISSUE-97 -- Remove/Discard the Meter Element -- open
16:12:32 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/97
16:12:34 <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-97 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
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16:12:46 <paulc> No discussion.
16:13:01 <paulc> Topic Heartbeat WDs and First Public WDs
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16:13:34 <paulc> Target publication date is today (Jun 24) and alternate date is Mon Jun 28
16:13:47 <paulc> We should be good to go today?
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16:14:13 <janina> zakim, who is on the phone?
16:14:13 <Zakim> On the phone I see Radhika_Roy, Sam, Michael_Cooper, [Microsoft], Janina, adrianba, krisk, mjs, Julian, Mike, +1.206.850.aadd, Laura_Carlson
16:14:13 <rubys> MikeSmith?
16:14:15 <Zakim> [Microsoft] has paulc
16:14:22 <paulc> MikeSmith: Are we good to go with the publications today?
16:14:50 <paulc> Topic: Task Force Reports
16:14:59 <paulc> A11Y TF report:
16:15:26 <paulc> Janina: We discussed canvas-usemap earlier in the call (issue-105)
16:15:45 <paulc> Janina: ARIA mappings sub-group has provided the TF a report
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16:16:04 <Eliot> zakim, +1.206.850.aadd is me
16:16:04 <Zakim> +Eliot; got it
16:16:13 <paulc> Janina: The recommendation is to re-write a complete section (3.2.4.6?)
16:16:45 <paulc> Janina: There is questiona about whether there should be individual bugs filed for each low level change in light of the desire to do a complete re-write
16:16:57 <paulc> Correction: section number is 3.2.6
16:17:35 <paulc> Janina: The TF feels there was little Accessibility expert input on this section and thus the desire to re-write the entire section.
16:17:53 <Zakim> +Rich
16:18:00 <paulc> Janina: How do we do this in face of the current WG Decision Policy?
16:18:15 <paulc> Janina: A11Y TF is looking for guidance.
16:18:25 <paulc> Sam: The minimum is at least one bug.
16:18:47 <paulc> Maciej: I believe that 10 or 100's is required.  
16:19:06 <paulc> Correction: Maciej: I believe that 10 or 100 is NOT required.
16:19:47 <Laura> ISSUE-35: http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/35
16:19:47 <trackbot> ISSUE-35 Need to define processing requirements for aria states and properties when used in html notes added
16:19:48 <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-35 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
16:19:52 <Laura> ISSUE-14: http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/14
16:19:52 <trackbot> ISSUE-14 Integration of WAI-ARIA roles into HTML5 notes added
16:19:53 <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-14 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
16:20:03 <paulc> Janina: Issues 14 and 35 might be appropriate bugs to reference.  They are closed.
16:20:17 <paulc> Sam: Why cannot we start with new bugs?
16:20:55 <paulc> Sam: A single bug with the rationale for the entire re-write is the "minimum" required here.
16:21:21 <paulc> Janina: Okay I will take this back to the TF.
16:22:02 <paulc> Paul: We should be looking for the "minimum required to declare victory" AND to be in sync with the Decision Policy.  
16:22:32 <paulc> Janina: Working on media accessibility - the good news is that there appears to be more agreement than initially thought 
16:22:59 <paulc> Janina: Very please with Media Group progress.
16:23:12 <paulc> Janina: Working on Drag and Drop
16:23:28 <paulc> janina: Working on Access Key which is coming via PF WG.
16:23:28 <Zakim> -Rich
16:24:22 <paulc> Janina: No ETA's on the Media Group, Drag and Drop or Access Key issue change proposals.
16:25:11 <paulc> Sam: Any more discussion.
16:25:16 <paulc> No more discussion
16:25:24 <paulc> Testing TF report:
16:25:56 <krisk> Group Meets again on 6/29
16:26:08 <paulc> Kris: more activity this month
16:26:18 <krisk> Philip Taylor will be submitting a very large set of canvas tests
16:26:29 <krisk> Microsoft has submitted a few batches of tests for Audio, Video, Canvas, XHTML5, getElementsByClassName and Selection
16:26:36 <krisk> I hope for more participation and feedback on submitted test
16:26:47 <paulc> 1 Approved test with no bugs
16:27:28 <paulc> TF has about 200 and is expecting another 800 canvas tests RSN
16:28:39 <krisk> I hope for more participation and feedback on submitted test
16:28:41 <paulc> Kris: Is hoping for more approved test in the future.  We need feedback on the submitted tests.
16:28:48 <paulc> Topic: Any other Business
16:28:55 <paulc> issue-9?
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16:28:59 <trackbot> ISSUE-9 -- how accessibility works for <video> is unclear -- open
16:29:01 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/9
16:29:03 <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-9 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
16:29:26 <paulc> Janina: Document exists, survey was run in TF, trying to revise document in TF
16:29:59 <paulc> Janina: There is effort to get agreement and the draft change proposal (V2) is being worked on.
16:30:05 <Laura> Media Accessibility Requirements Survey: http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/44061/20080526_media-requirements/results
16:30:06 <pimpbot> Title: Results of Questionnaire Review of Media Accessibility Requirements - Web-Based Straw-poll and Balloting System (at www.w3.org)
16:30:19 <paulc> Janina: ETA for V2 change proposal is mid-July.
16:30:45 <paulc> janina: Early fall for a "recommendation".
16:30:53 <paulc> Sam: Target date was May 27.
16:30:57 <Laura> Media Accessibility Requirements Draft: Media Accessibility Requirements
16:31:18 <Laura> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/Media_Accessibility_Requirements
16:31:19 <pimpbot> Title: Media Accessibility Requirements - HTML accessibility task force Wiki (at www.w3.org)
16:31:54 <paulc> Janina:  The May 27 date was for a Requirements document which was met.
16:33:06 <paulc> Correction: references to "change proposal" should have been "requirements documents"
16:33:34 <paulc> Janina: it is going to take several months to take the Requirements to one or more change proposals.
16:33:53 <rubys> issue-9?
16:33:53 <trackbot> ISSUE-9 -- how accessibility works for <video> is unclear -- open
16:33:53 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/9
16:33:55 <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-9 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
16:34:00 <paulc> Sam: What do we do with the status of Issue-9?
16:34:27 <paulc> Janina: It need to stay open since we need to add spec material on media accessibility.
16:34:40 <paulc> Sam: Any other discussion.
16:34:44 <paulc> No more discussion.
16:34:49 <paulc> Issue-27?
16:34:49 <trackbot> ISSUE-27 -- @rel value ownership, registry consideration -- open
16:34:49 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/27
16:34:51 <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-27 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
16:35:01 <Julian> Iana status: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-announce/2010AprJun/0022.html
16:35:02 <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-27, was: Fwd: {agenda} HTML WG telecon 2010-07-24: issues, surveys, decisions, publication status, TF reports from Julian Reschke on 2010-06-23 (public-html-wg-announce@w3.org from April to June 2010) (at lists.w3.org)
16:35:16 <Julian> q+
16:35:16 <paulc> Sam: On hold for a registry - past Apr 13 hold date.
16:36:17 <paulc> Julian: IANA is a bit confused about the spec description of the registry.
16:37:02 <paulc> Julian: Not sure of this internal discussion but I suggest we test the registry once it is there.
16:37:25 <paulc> Julian: The document for the link relationship needs to be prepared.
16:37:43 <paulc> Ian and Lief have volunteered to test the registry but we still need to have access to it.
16:39:29 <paulc> Action: on paulc to followup with Mark Nottingham about the status of the IANA registry needed for Issue-27
16:39:29 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - on
16:39:47 <paulc> Action: paulc to followup with Mark Nottingham about the status of the IANA registry needed for Issue-27
16:39:48 <trackbot> Created ACTION-182 - Followup with Mark Nottingham about the status of the IANA registry needed for Issue-27 [on Paul Cotton - due 2010-07-01].
16:40:45 <paulc> Topic: Next meeting
16:40:49 <Julian> On the IANA registry: I believe this is currently being discussed between IANA and IESG; not sure what the current status is.
16:41:28 <paulc> Sam and Paul give regrets for Jul 1 - Sam is travelling, Paul is celebrating Canada Day
16:41:34 <Julian> In any case, testing the registry will require a spec for a link relation, so I suggest those who want to test the registry to start preparing it.
16:41:34 <paulc> Maciej will chair next week
16:41:41 <paulc> Any volunteers to scribe?
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16:41:57 <paulc> No volunteers.
16:42:14 <Laura> bye
16:42:15 <Zakim> -mjs
16:42:16 <paulc> Topic: Adjournment
16:42:16 <Zakim> -Julian
16:42:17 <Zakim> -krisk
16:42:19 <Zakim> -Janina
16:42:20 <Zakim> -Sam
16:42:20 <Zakim> -Eliot
16:42:22 <Zakim> -Radhika_Roy
16:42:22 <Zakim> -Laura_Carlson
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16:42:23 <Zakim> -Michael_Cooper
16:42:25 <paulc> Meeting adjourned at 12:42 ET
16:42:42 <Zakim> -adrianba
16:43:11 <paulc> rssagent, generate minutes
16:43:30 <rubys> rrsagent, generate minutes
16:43:30 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/06/24-html-wg-minutes.html rubys
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17:31:04 <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 10001] For <ol> and <ul>, it would be very useful to have an array containing all top-level elements of the list, such as 'HTMLOListElement.listItems' <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Jun/0352.html>
17:31:26 <Zakim> -Mike
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18:31:20 <pimpbot> changes: sam: Update 101 CP link <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Jun/0089.html>
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20:31:47 <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 10011] New: "then the UA should obtain the resource" should say WHEN rel=stylesheet obtains the resource (when the element is created?) <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Jun/0353.html>
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21:01:54 <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 9965] White space in attributes - please justify why multiple spaces/linebreaks are problematic - or delete this requirement <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Jun/0354.html>
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21:32:01 <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 9964] Namespaces section should be more explicit + touch the extensibility problem <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Jun/0358.html> 4** [Bug 9965] White space in attributes - please justify why multiple spaces/linebreaks are problematic - or delete this requirement <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Jun/0357.html> 4** [Bug 9962] Permitted Character Encodings should be UTF-8 (re
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22:02:08 <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 9650] WHATWG Spec Web Site Freeze <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Jun/0360.html> 4** [Bug 9965] White space in attributes - please justify why multiple spaces/linebreaks are problematic - or delete this requirement <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Jun/0359.html>
22:32:14 <pimpbot> changes: hixie: history update <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Jun/0090.html>
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