IRC log of html-wg on 2010-06-24
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- logging to http://www.w3.org/2010/06/24-html-wg-irc
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- RRSAgent, make logs public
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- Zakim, this will be HTML
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- HTML matches both WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)11:00AM and HTML_WG()12:00PM
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- Meeting: HTML Weekly Teleconference
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- Date: 24 June 2010
- 15:59:28 [rubys]
- zakim, this will be HTML_WG
- 15:59:28 [Zakim]
- ok, rubys, I see HTML_WG()12:00PM already started
- 15:59:39 [Philip]
- taptapir: It'll only halt if you do lots and lots of computation in the script, or use alert or synchronous XMLHttpRequest etc
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- Philip: hmm that should work thanks
- 15:59:58 [Philip]
- taptapir: Hmm, if you want to continue discussion then I suggest #whatwg on Freenode since it'll get noisy in here for a bit
- 16:00:25 [Zakim]
- +Sam
- 16:00:28 [Julian]
- Zakim, who's on the phone?
- 16:00:28 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see Radhika_Roy, ??P12, Sam
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- -??P12
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- bugmail: [Bug 10009] excellent thank you for all <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Jun/0351.html> 4** [Bug 10010] excellent!!! thank you for all <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Jun/0350.html> 4** [Bug 10010] New: excellent!!! thank you for all <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Jun/0349.html> 4** [Bug 10009] New: excellent thank you for all <11http://lis
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- +Michael_Cooper
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- +[Microsoft]
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- 16:01:40 [janina]
- zakim, call janina
- 16:01:40 [Zakim]
- ok, janina; the call is being made
- 16:01:41 [Mark]
- Mark Foladare (Mark) fro AT&T is on the phone
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- +Janina
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- + +1.206.850.aaaa
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- + +1.206.922.aabb
- 16:01:56 [paulc]
- zakim, [Microsft] has paulc
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- sorry, paulc, I do not recognize a party named '[Microsft]'
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- +[Microsoft.a]
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- zakim, [Microsoft] has paulc
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- +paulc; got it
- 16:02:10 [adrianba]
- zakim, aabb is me
- 16:02:10 [Zakim]
- +adrianba; got it
- 16:02:13 [paulc]
- scribe: paulc
- 16:02:33 [krisk]
- zakim, [Microsoft.a] is krisk
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- +krisk; got it
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- + +1.415.595.aacc
- 16:03:31 [mjs]
- zakim, +1.415.595.aacc is me
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- +mjs; got it
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- +??P27
- 16:03:49 [MikeSmith]
- zakim, call Mike
- 16:03:49 [Zakim]
- ok, MikeSmith; the call is being made
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- +Mike
- 16:03:51 [Julian]
- Zakim, +??P27 is me
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- sorry, Julian, I do not recognize a party named '+??P27'
- 16:03:56 [rubys]
- topic: ACTION items due by Thu Jun 24
- 16:04:03 [Julian]
- Zakim, P27 is me
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- sorry, Julian, I do not recognize a party named 'P27'
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- Zakim, ?P27 is me
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- sorry, Julian, I do not recognize a party named '?P27'
- 16:04:12 [paulc]
- No action items to discuss
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- Zakim, ??P27 is me
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- +Julian; got it
- 16:04:24 [rubys]
- topic: Items that close this week (by Thu Jun 24)
- 16:04:35 [rubys]
- ISSUE-105?
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- issue-105?
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- http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/105
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- Title: ISSUE-105 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
- 16:05:33 [trackbot]
- ISSUE-105 -- allow image maps on the canvas element -- open
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- http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/105
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- Title: ISSUE-105 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
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- ISSUE-105 -- allow image maps on the canvas element -- open
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- http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/105
- 16:06:00 [paulc]
- Status of 105: Objection from the Editor is being discussed.
- 16:06:30 [paulc]
- The objection is being evaluated.
- 16:06:42 [paulc]
- Janina: related to a proposal from Charles.
- 16:06:51 [paulc]
- Janina: Should I report on this now?
- 16:07:16 [paulc]
- Janina: A11Y TF made a proposal here which caused Charles to come forward.
- 16:07:39 [paulc]
- Janina: The TF recommends that this discussion be done in the WG decision process.
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- Janina: It look like the people involved are working on another proposal which would include Charles's input.
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- No other discussion.
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- Issue-107?
- 16:09:01 [trackbot]
- ISSUE-107 -- Politics in fallback example for plugin usage -- open
- 16:09:01 [trackbot]
- http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/107
- 16:09:03 [pimpbot]
- Title: ISSUE-107 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
- 16:09:35 [paulc]
- This change proposal passed , the editor made a change not exactly matching the proposed change and the change was not made in the WHAT WG spec.
- 16:09:46 [paulc]
- This is being discussed on the mailing list.
- 16:10:08 [paulc]
- Issue is still Open until the WG decision is verified as being made.
- 16:10:09 [Zakim]
- - +1.206.850.aaaa
- 16:10:16 [paulc]
- Topic: New issues
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- None
- 16:10:33 [paulc]
- Topic: New surveys
- 16:10:41 [rubys]
- http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/40318/issue-30-objection-poll/
- 16:10:44 [Zakim]
- + +1.206.850.aadd
- 16:10:48 [paulc]
- There are 2 new surveys for Issue 30 and 88
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- Issue-30?
- 16:10:51 [trackbot]
- ISSUE-30 -- Should HTML 5 include a longdesc attribute for images -- open
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- http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/30
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- Title: ISSUE-30 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
- 16:10:59 [paulc]
- Issue-88?
- 16:10:59 [trackbot]
- ISSUE-88 -- Should meta/@content allow a list of languages instead of just a single language? -- open
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- http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/88
- 16:11:00 [pimpbot]
- Title: ISSUE-88 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
- 16:11:07 [rubys]
- http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/40318/issue-88-objection-poll/
- 16:11:16 [paulc]
- Surveys opened June 23 and close on Wed Jun 30
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- No discussion.
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- Topic Workgroup decisions
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- +Laura_Carlson
- 16:12:05 [paulc]
- Issues-93, 95, 96 and 97 are awaiting Chair decision. No progress to report.
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- Issue-93
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- Issue-93?
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- ISSUE-93 -- Delete Details Element -- open
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- http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/93
- 16:12:16 [pimpbot]
- Title: ISSUE-93 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
- 16:12:20 [paulc]
- Issue-95?
- 16:12:20 [trackbot]
- ISSUE-95 -- Remove/Discard the Hidden Attribute -- open
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- http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/95
- 16:12:22 [pimpbot]
- Title: ISSUE-95 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
- 16:12:27 [paulc]
- Issue-96?
- 16:12:27 [trackbot]
- ISSUE-96 -- Remove/Discard the Progress Element -- open
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- http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/96
- 16:12:28 [pimpbot]
- Title: ISSUE-96 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
- 16:12:32 [paulc]
- Issue-97?
- 16:12:32 [trackbot]
- ISSUE-97 -- Remove/Discard the Meter Element -- open
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- http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/97
- 16:12:34 [pimpbot]
- Title: ISSUE-97 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
- 16:12:44 [laplink]
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- No discussion.
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- Topic Heartbeat WDs and First Public WDs
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- Target publication date is today (Jun 24) and alternate date is Mon Jun 28
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- We should be good to go today?
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- zakim, who is on the phone?
- 16:14:13 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see Radhika_Roy, Sam, Michael_Cooper, [Microsoft], Janina, adrianba, krisk, mjs, Julian, Mike, +1.206.850.aadd, Laura_Carlson
- 16:14:13 [rubys]
- MikeSmith?
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- [Microsoft] has paulc
- 16:14:22 [paulc]
- MikeSmith: Are we good to go with the publications today?
- 16:14:50 [paulc]
- Topic: Task Force Reports
- 16:14:59 [paulc]
- A11Y TF report:
- 16:15:26 [paulc]
- Janina: We discussed canvas-usemap earlier in the call (issue-105)
- 16:15:45 [paulc]
- Janina: ARIA mappings sub-group has provided the TF a report
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- 16:16:04 [Eliot]
- zakim, +1.206.850.aadd is me
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- +Eliot; got it
- 16:16:13 [paulc]
- Janina: The recommendation is to re-write a complete section (3.2.4.6?)
- 16:16:45 [paulc]
- Janina: There is questiona about whether there should be individual bugs filed for each low level change in light of the desire to do a complete re-write
- 16:16:57 [paulc]
- Correction: section number is 3.2.6
- 16:17:35 [paulc]
- Janina: The TF feels there was little Accessibility expert input on this section and thus the desire to re-write the entire section.
- 16:17:53 [Zakim]
- +Rich
- 16:18:00 [paulc]
- Janina: How do we do this in face of the current WG Decision Policy?
- 16:18:15 [paulc]
- Janina: A11Y TF is looking for guidance.
- 16:18:25 [paulc]
- Sam: The minimum is at least one bug.
- 16:18:47 [paulc]
- Maciej: I believe that 10 or 100's is required.
- 16:19:06 [paulc]
- Correction: Maciej: I believe that 10 or 100 is NOT required.
- 16:19:47 [Laura]
- ISSUE-35: http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/35
- 16:19:47 [trackbot]
- ISSUE-35 Need to define processing requirements for aria states and properties when used in html notes added
- 16:19:48 [pimpbot]
- Title: ISSUE-35 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
- 16:19:52 [Laura]
- ISSUE-14: http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/14
- 16:19:52 [trackbot]
- ISSUE-14 Integration of WAI-ARIA roles into HTML5 notes added
- 16:19:53 [pimpbot]
- Title: ISSUE-14 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
- 16:20:03 [paulc]
- Janina: Issues 14 and 35 might be appropriate bugs to reference. They are closed.
- 16:20:17 [paulc]
- Sam: Why cannot we start with new bugs?
- 16:20:55 [paulc]
- Sam: A single bug with the rationale for the entire re-write is the "minimum" required here.
- 16:21:21 [paulc]
- Janina: Okay I will take this back to the TF.
- 16:22:02 [paulc]
- Paul: We should be looking for the "minimum required to declare victory" AND to be in sync with the Decision Policy.
- 16:22:32 [paulc]
- Janina: Working on media accessibility - the good news is that there appears to be more agreement than initially thought
- 16:22:59 [paulc]
- Janina: Very please with Media Group progress.
- 16:23:12 [paulc]
- Janina: Working on Drag and Drop
- 16:23:28 [paulc]
- janina: Working on Access Key which is coming via PF WG.
- 16:23:28 [Zakim]
- -Rich
- 16:24:22 [paulc]
- Janina: No ETA's on the Media Group, Drag and Drop or Access Key issue change proposals.
- 16:25:11 [paulc]
- Sam: Any more discussion.
- 16:25:16 [paulc]
- No more discussion
- 16:25:24 [paulc]
- Testing TF report:
- 16:25:56 [krisk]
- Group Meets again on 6/29
- 16:26:08 [paulc]
- Kris: more activity this month
- 16:26:18 [krisk]
- Philip Taylor will be submitting a very large set of canvas tests
- 16:26:29 [krisk]
- Microsoft has submitted a few batches of tests for Audio, Video, Canvas, XHTML5, getElementsByClassName and Selection
- 16:26:36 [krisk]
- I hope for more participation and feedback on submitted test
- 16:26:47 [paulc]
- 1 Approved test with no bugs
- 16:27:28 [paulc]
- TF has about 200 and is expecting another 800 canvas tests RSN
- 16:28:39 [krisk]
- I hope for more participation and feedback on submitted test
- 16:28:41 [paulc]
- Kris: Is hoping for more approved test in the future. We need feedback on the submitted tests.
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- Topic: Any other Business
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- issue-9?
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- ISSUE-9 -- how accessibility works for <video> is unclear -- open
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- http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/9
- 16:29:03 [pimpbot]
- Title: ISSUE-9 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
- 16:29:26 [paulc]
- Janina: Document exists, survey was run in TF, trying to revise document in TF
- 16:29:59 [paulc]
- Janina: There is effort to get agreement and the draft change proposal (V2) is being worked on.
- 16:30:05 [Laura]
- Media Accessibility Requirements Survey: http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/44061/20080526_media-requirements/results
- 16:30:06 [pimpbot]
- Title: Results of Questionnaire Review of Media Accessibility Requirements - Web-Based Straw-poll and Balloting System (at www.w3.org)
- 16:30:19 [paulc]
- Janina: ETA for V2 change proposal is mid-July.
- 16:30:45 [paulc]
- janina: Early fall for a "recommendation".
- 16:30:53 [paulc]
- Sam: Target date was May 27.
- 16:30:57 [Laura]
- Media Accessibility Requirements Draft: Media Accessibility Requirements
- 16:31:18 [Laura]
- http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/Media_Accessibility_Requirements
- 16:31:19 [pimpbot]
- Title: Media Accessibility Requirements - HTML accessibility task force Wiki (at www.w3.org)
- 16:31:54 [paulc]
- Janina: The May 27 date was for a Requirements document which was met.
- 16:33:06 [paulc]
- Correction: references to "change proposal" should have been "requirements documents"
- 16:33:34 [paulc]
- Janina: it is going to take several months to take the Requirements to one or more change proposals.
- 16:33:53 [rubys]
- issue-9?
- 16:33:53 [trackbot]
- ISSUE-9 -- how accessibility works for <video> is unclear -- open
- 16:33:53 [trackbot]
- http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/9
- 16:33:55 [pimpbot]
- Title: ISSUE-9 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
- 16:34:00 [paulc]
- Sam: What do we do with the status of Issue-9?
- 16:34:27 [paulc]
- Janina: It need to stay open since we need to add spec material on media accessibility.
- 16:34:40 [paulc]
- Sam: Any other discussion.
- 16:34:44 [paulc]
- No more discussion.
- 16:34:49 [paulc]
- Issue-27?
- 16:34:49 [trackbot]
- ISSUE-27 -- @rel value ownership, registry consideration -- open
- 16:34:49 [trackbot]
- http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/27
- 16:34:51 [pimpbot]
- Title: ISSUE-27 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
- 16:35:01 [Julian]
- Iana status: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-announce/2010AprJun/0022.html
- 16:35:02 [pimpbot]
- Title: ISSUE-27, was: Fwd: {agenda} HTML WG telecon 2010-07-24: issues, surveys, decisions, publication status, TF reports from Julian Reschke on 2010-06-23 (public-html-wg-announce@w3.org from April to June 2010) (at lists.w3.org)
- 16:35:16 [Julian]
- q+
- 16:35:16 [paulc]
- Sam: On hold for a registry - past Apr 13 hold date.
- 16:36:17 [paulc]
- Julian: IANA is a bit confused about the spec description of the registry.
- 16:37:02 [paulc]
- Julian: Not sure of this internal discussion but I suggest we test the registry once it is there.
- 16:37:25 [paulc]
- Julian: The document for the link relationship needs to be prepared.
- 16:37:43 [paulc]
- Ian and Lief have volunteered to test the registry but we still need to have access to it.
- 16:39:29 [paulc]
- Action: on paulc to followup with Mark Nottingham about the status of the IANA registry needed for Issue-27
- 16:39:29 [trackbot]
- Sorry, couldn't find user - on
- 16:39:47 [paulc]
- Action: paulc to followup with Mark Nottingham about the status of the IANA registry needed for Issue-27
- 16:39:48 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-182 - Followup with Mark Nottingham about the status of the IANA registry needed for Issue-27 [on Paul Cotton - due 2010-07-01].
- 16:40:45 [paulc]
- Topic: Next meeting
- 16:40:49 [Julian]
- On the IANA registry: I believe this is currently being discussed between IANA and IESG; not sure what the current status is.
- 16:41:28 [paulc]
- Sam and Paul give regrets for Jul 1 - Sam is travelling, Paul is celebrating Canada Day
- 16:41:34 [Julian]
- In any case, testing the registry will require a spec for a link relation, so I suggest those who want to test the registry to start preparing it.
- 16:41:34 [paulc]
- Maciej will chair next week
- 16:41:41 [paulc]
- Any volunteers to scribe?
- 16:41:48 [taptapir]
- taptapir has left #html-wg
- 16:41:57 [paulc]
- No volunteers.
- 16:42:14 [Laura]
- bye
- 16:42:15 [Zakim]
- -mjs
- 16:42:16 [paulc]
- Topic: Adjournment
- 16:42:16 [Zakim]
- -Julian
- 16:42:17 [Zakim]
- -krisk
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- -Janina
- 16:42:20 [Zakim]
- -Sam
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- -Eliot
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- -Radhika_Roy
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- -Laura_Carlson
- 16:42:23 [janina]
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- -Michael_Cooper
- 16:42:25 [paulc]
- Meeting adjourned at 12:42 ET
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- -adrianba
- 16:43:11 [paulc]
- rssagent, generate minutes
- 16:43:30 [rubys]
- rrsagent, generate minutes
- 16:43:30 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/06/24-html-wg-minutes.html rubys
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- -[Microsoft]
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- planet: Resize a Flash object via jQuery onload of page <11http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3111633/resize-a-flash-object-via-jquery-onload-of-page>
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- bugmail: [Bug 10001] For <ol> and <ul>, it would be very useful to have an array containing all top-level elements of the list, such as 'HTMLOListElement.listItems' <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Jun/0352.html>
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- -Mike
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- Attendees were Radhika_Roy, Sam, Michael_Cooper, Janina, +1.206.850.aaaa, +1.206.922.aabb, paulc, adrianba, krisk, mjs, Mike, Julian, Laura_Carlson, Eliot, Rich
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- changes: sam: Update 101 CP link <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Jun/0089.html>
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- planet: Internet Explorer 9 destroys Chrome 6 in HTML5 speed test (video) <11http://www.reddit.com/r/browsers/comments/cins3/internet_explorer_9_destroys_chrome_6_in_html5/>
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- bugmail: [Bug 10011] New: "then the UA should obtain the resource" should say WHEN rel=stylesheet obtains the resource (when the element is created?) <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Jun/0353.html>
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- bugmail: [Bug 9964] Namespaces section should be more explicit + touch the extensibility problem <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Jun/0358.html> 4** [Bug 9965] White space in attributes - please justify why multiple spaces/linebreaks are problematic - or delete this requirement <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Jun/0357.html> 4** [Bug 9962] Permitted Character Encodings should be UTF-8 (re
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