Web Services Resource Access Working Group Teleconference

15 Jun 2010


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Rick, Landau


<trackbot> Date: 15 June 2010

<dug> bonjour

<Bob> I am using full dns

<dug> ah, no w3c today

<dug> 571 is loud :-)

<gpilz> did they really need to stick the "context" into "customized, Compunetics, conferencing system" ?

<dug> No sympathy from me: http://bronx.ny1.com/content/top_stories/120391/claim--bronx-students-forced-to-clean-school-toilets

<dug> its a punishment! geez.

<Bob> scribe: Ashok

<Bob> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-resource-access/2010Jun/0007.html

<scribe> scribenick: Ashok


Agenda accepted


Toopic: Minutes from June 8

Approval of minutes of 2010-06-08

Approved w/o objection

Advance Soap Assertions to Last Call? http://www.w3.org/TR/2010/WD-ws-soap-assertions-20100608/

Bob: Any objections?

No objections. Document will be published as Last Call document

Bob: How long shd last call be?
... 3 or 4 weeks

No objections to 3 week Last Call.

<Bob> http://www.w3.org/standards/techs/sparql#w3c_all

Need short abstracts for spec directory examples at http://www.w3.org/standards/techs/sparql#w3c_all

Bob: Who will volunteer to write abstracts?

Doug: I'll take a stab at it

<dug> ACTION: Doug to write up some abstracts [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/06/15-ws-ra-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-166 - Write up some abstracts [on Doug Davis - due 2010-06-22].


1-Issue-9610 Eventing: Support WS-Management's heartbeat events http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=9610 -wsman

<Tom_Rutt> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-resource-access/2010Jun/0004.html

<Bob> proposal at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-resource-access/2010Jun/0004.html

TomRutt: Simplify d ... always send msg at regular intervals

WuChou: Using count may not good idea

TomRutt: Agrees with Wu

Rick: We would like to withdraw proposal
... WS-Man would like to use it's existing mechanism
... also remove GetStatus option

Doug: Proposal is worthy of consideration for a primer ... later

<asoldano> +1

<dug> LOL poor martin

TomRutt: We do not need to remove what we have or not add a more general feature

<dug> its a miracle!

<MartinC> its also true

Gil: Keep alive is worse than heartbeat
... increases shared state by a lot

Rick: The keep-alive uses a maximum interval. If you implement as regular heartbeat the max interval never exceeded
... can be implemented by alarm clock
... no need to keep distributed state

<dug> +1 to cwna and remove

Bob: Proposal to CNA and remove ... Option f.
... remove verify

TomRutt: Lets not take away what we have ... meets a general need

Bob: Do you want option e rather than f?

Doug: Disagrees. No need for what we added. That was for WS-Man. Will cause confusion

<Bob> ok, lets pick one

<Bob> e or f

Doug: Maybe we Doug, Can add later

<MartinC> who is going to implement getstatus?

Allesio: f

IBM: f

Microsoft: f

Fujistu: e

SoftwareAG: f

<dug> not just good work but great work :-)

Avaya: abstain

Oracle: f

Bob: We pick f

<dug> ack

<Bob> rr

RESOLUTION: Issue 9610 is resolved by removing the verify feature and reverting to oroginal state

Issue 9609

<Bob> proposal at http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/attachment.cgi?id=887

2-Issue-9609 Enum: Support WS-Management's optimization of Enumerations with small result sets http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=9609 -wsman proposal at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-resource-access/2010Jun/0006.html and in the bug list

TomRutt: Any changes to response in existing spec?

Rick: Yes

Doug: Looks like a large premature optimization
... prefer to make pull an explicit enumerate

Bob: This is what we agreed to

TomRutt: Then why do we need enumerate

Doug: You would have a choice on the pull

Gil: Can we change to pull-enumerate?

<Tom_Rutt> q

Bob: Let's leave issue of the name aside to the time being

<dug> I'd be willing to writeup the proposal

Bob: would this meet your needs ... first pull alsways enumerate
... Can you write the proposal?

Doug: Yes

3-Issue-9781 WS-Eventing: mandates only subscribe/unsubscribe http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=9781 -Li

Li: Explains issue

<dug> LOL

Wu: make only subscribe/unsubscribe as manadtory all else optional

Doug: Should not get rid of GetStatus
... Other mechanisms are not described in the spec
... defends GetStatus
... cost is negligible

Gil: Impl cost of GetStatus is low
... optional features in the spec are bad
... Support GetStatus

TomRutt: +1
... GetStatus is fundamental

Bob: So we agree we can drop Renew

Doug: I don't think Renew is that critical but easy to implement

<Tom_Rutt> +1 to dug on keeping renew

Bob: You want to keep the whole set

Wu: Originally Renew and GetStatus were optional

Bob: Any objection toclosing with no action

Wu: We would like only 2 operations subscribe/unsubscribe

TomRutt: Optionality is evil

<gpilz> +1 to Tom

<dug> +1 to tom

<asoldano> +1

TomRutt: cost to implement is very low

Bob: CNA?

No objections. Issue closed with no action

<dug> status of WSDL pointers?

RESOLUTION: Issue 9781 closed with no action

-Issue-8284 All: references to WSDL 1.1 should be to BP-corrected version http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=8284 -Pilz (BP 1.2 and 2.0 status)

Ram: There will a proposal soon.

<asoldano> bye

Summary of Action Items

[NEW] ACTION: Doug to write up some abstracts [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/06/15-ws-ra-minutes.html#action01]
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