<daniel> get started the last day...editing times for both documents.

<daniel> no scriber this morning session

<daniel> chris: IRC will be mute, do you need to join the call bridge ?

<daniel> chris: IRC will be mute, do you need to join the call bridge ?

<chris> hi daniel, I will only call in if absolutely necessary

chris, what is the status of your action items for the document?

<chris> wait, Im checking my APs

<chris> actionitem 237 is done ( added lots of examples for the properties)

<chris> actionitem 238 is also done I think, since this is related I assume

<chris> ah no wait action 238 is not done, I need to create an example with metadata in different languages

<joakim> Hi Chris, we will have an editing session until 11.00

<chris> actionitem 244 is done

<chris> actionitem 245 is done

<joakim> Ok thats great!

<chris> so if I want to make additional changes to the document, where do I start from?

<chris> is there a new version somewhere?

<joakim> How about writing webIdl example for the use cases we sent yesterday?

<chris> I will try (it wil be javascript examples by the way since webIDL is only for interfaces)

<joakim> ok :-)

<chris> check that in the API document in section 3.8.1.1 there is still an old example that can be removed (the second one)

<chris> the same for section 3.10.2.1

<chris> and 3.11.2.1

<chris> and 3.12.1.1 and 3.12.6.1 and 3.12.8.1

<joakim> and then there is the list of status codes sent by Florian (according to Robin #46)

<chris> yes I leave it up to you guys to integrate this in the document

<chris> I will focus on the examples

<joakim> Ok great. BTW your version of the API is the last one!

<joakim> When you are finished we can integrate changes from Felix in to your version

<chris> hmm my version can not be the last one since there are action items for Wonsuk and Werner that have not been integrated (by me)

<chris> converting the image to svg, changing the name of setMAResource, adding units for framesize

<wonsuk> Chris, in my case i didn't do that :)

<wonsuk> don't worry ;)

<daniel> action to werner is *unit*. he will do this laer, therefore your version can be the latest one...please go ahead with yours

<trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - to

<wonsuk> chris, concerning the svg version of image, it's not working correctly in the Chrome and firefox. so i think that we need to apply this later.

<chris> I just noticed that numTracks in the ontology document is updated to hold the number and the specification?

<chris> can somebody confirm this so that I can change it in the API?

<florian> chris

<chris> yes?

<florian> yeah, thats right

<tobiasb> http://dev.w3.org/2008/video/mediaann/mediaont-1.0/mediaont-1.0.html

<tobiasb> section 4.1.2

it's the style referenced in the mapping tables, eg. http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/drafts/ontology10/WD/summary.html

<chris> lunch time for me

<chris> I have sent a mail with the updated API doc

<chris> And another mail with proposal of example code for the use cases that Joakim described (and some open questions :))

we are going to start with the test suite now, if some of you want to phone in

<chris> so action item 238 is done

<martinh> rdfs:range sec.3.1 http://www.w3.org/TR/rdf-schema/#ch_property

<martinh> rdfs:range sec.3.1 http://www.w3.org/TR/rdf-schema/#ch_property

<chris> werner, I am assuming that you got mail of wednesday 14th concerning the test suites

yes, the one concerion action-227

<martinh> http://www.w3.org/TR/owl-ref/ wbailer 4.1.3

<scribe> scribe: wbailer

Test suite

<scribe> ACTION: joakim to prepare a document containing the examples from thes introduction (to be used for test cases) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/04/28-mediaann-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-250 - Prepare a document containing the examples from thes introduction (to be used for test cases) [on Joakim Söderberg - due 2010-05-05].

felix' proposal for test suite: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2010Feb/0065.html

tobias: thierry commented that this is not a test suite design

joakim: assume we have a test case, how could we implement it?
... conclusion was to have a generic return format in test cases, but not for the input
... no decision on intermediate format to decouple extraction from format and the actual api implementation

werner: could rdf/owl based representation be an intermedia representation?

joakim: could be considered as some kind of xml, without the need to specifically deal with rdf/owl in the implementation
... scheduling: may will be taken by dealing with lc feedback, so we should try to get progress on the test suite before summer
... is this feasible?
... using the rdf format would be an advantage, as it's already there by then

daniel: there is no official document related to test suite
... result of conformance testing is relevant

joakim: there is no document to be delivered, but there will be a web service

wonsuk: the example we look at from html 5 is just a page accessed with the different browsers
... in our case there will be implementations in a browser or standalone application

(joakim draws example on flip chart)

daniel: have a way to select test cases for certain formats
... certain implementers will only support certain formats

joakim: start with test cases for one property

we need several test per property

<scribe> ACTION: florian to supply jpeg images with exif [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/04/28-mediaann-minutes.html#action02]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-251 - Supply jpeg images with exif [on Florian Stegmaier - due 2010-05-05].

<scribe> ACTION: tobias to provide mp3 file with id3 info [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/04/28-mediaann-minutes.html#action03]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-252 - Provide mp3 file with id3 info [on Tobias Bürger - due 2010-05-05].

<scribe> ACTION: werner to provide mpeg-7 describing a moview [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/04/28-mediaann-minutes.html#action04]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-253 - Provide mpeg-7 describing a moview [on Werner Bailer - due 2010-05-05].

(group photo!)

review of changes to ontology document

going through issues in excel sheet

3 is pending

10 is not done, but dfn should be ok

11: we have text, needs to be edited, john will do when going through document

14 to be done

<daniel> resume our session this afternoon. checking out the status of all comments

16 to be done

17 checked xml schema types with html 5, need to add text discussing our choice

22 formating to be done

25 to be done, felix to propose namespace uri

<scribe> ACTION: felix to propose namespace URI for mawg [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/04/28-mediaann-minutes.html#action05]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-254 - Propose namespace URI for mawg [on Felix Sasaki - due 2010-05-05].

<scribe> ACTION: joakim to draft text concerning mawg namespace and ma prefix [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/04/28-mediaann-minutes.html#action06]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-255 - Draft text concerning mawg namespace and ma prefix [on Joakim Söderberg - due 2010-05-05].

26: example provided, wonsuk to insert

34 to be decided

we will use mediaType, wonsuk to edit

43 to be done by john

there is a new version of the ontology doc online, and we still have a list of todos (wonsuk is adding them to the wiki)

vote for LC will be on the condition that the issues in this list are done

issues for LC are collected at http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/wiki/index.php?title=Issues_for_LC

<fsasaki> wbailer, all: I have sent a mail to Joakim, see also http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-archive/2010Apr/0134.html - that closes my action item ACTION-254

<daniel> straw poll here: what's your preference ? ma:compression vs ma:coding vs ma:encoding....Please select only one now

review of changes to API document

going through the issues in the excel file (https://www.dimis.fim.uni-passau.de/~stegmai/API_issues.xlsx)

<chpoppe> Robin's comment was based on an earlier version of the API-document. IMO the new version is more clear on this aspect

issue 7 is considered resolved

chris, issue 11: has the example been added?

<chpoppe> yes, see section 3.1.1

<daniel> ma:compression (0), ma:encoding (6), ma:coding (1) - What about you ? Tell me in IRC now

<chpoppe> I have no strong opinion on this matter so I give a blanco vote :)

12 done

14 done, but some issues with embedded svg in some browsers

15 setContext to be changes to selectContext (to avoid confusion with a setter), to be done by chris

<chpoppe> setContext is deprecated, it has been changed to setMAResource and according to comments it is now selectMAResource

<chpoppe> see section 3.1.1

15 is done

20 to be completed by florian

21 wonsuk to add same example as in ontology doc

25 to be done, drop sentence "possibilities are ..." (wonsuk)

30 to be done by wonsuk

36 to be done by joakim

38 to be done by wonsuk

39 changes to be checked between wonsuk and chris (inheritance from maobject)

40 same issue as with 39

<chpoppe> hmm yes the format and samplingrate interface should inherit from the MAObject

<chpoppe> as all other properties

46 list of error codes to be included by chris

<chpoppe> wonsuk can you just change this? so "interface Samplingrate {" should be "interface Samplingrate: MAObject {"

<chpoppe> hmm it's better that wonsuk includes these error codes

<chpoppe> I have a meeting in 15 minutes and don't have time to do this now

<wonsuk> chris, I will do the change the format and samplingrate...

<wonsuk> so please upload last version to the cvs repository before you go to the meeting.

<chpoppe> I dont have a last version

<chpoppe> my last version was that of noon

<wonsuk> ok. chris. thanks.

<chpoppe> btw if you change the Format interface, also change it in appendix

<chpoppe> appendix A

<wonsuk> ok.. i will do that

53 florian to provide an example (considering the recommendations from dominique, see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2010Apr/0134.html)

54 to be done by john

<chpoppe> I need to go, keep up the good work guys, and have a safe trip home!

vote for going to lc with ontology doc:

latest draft: http://dev.w3.org/2008/video/mediaann/mediaont-1.0/mediaont-1.0.html

going to LC when issues at are resolved: http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/wiki/index.php?title=Issues_for_LC

do you agree to lc when the listed changes are applied to the current draft?

+1

<daniel> +1

<martinh> +1

<wonsuk> +1

<fsasaki> +1

joakim: +1

john: +1

<wonsuk> open issues of api doc: http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/wiki/Open_issues_of_API_doc_for_LC

vote for going to lc with api doc:

going to LC when issues at are resolved: http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/wiki/index.php?title=Issues_for_LC (see lower section for API doc issues)

<fsasaki> +1

latest draft of api doc: http://dev.w3.org/2008/video/mediaann/mediaont-api-1.0/mediaont-api-1.0.html

do you agree to go to lc when the listed changes are applied to the current draft?

+1

<daniel> +1

<wonsuk> +1

<martinh> +1

<fsasaki> but *now*: 1+

john: +1

<scribe> ACTION: wonsuk to integrate felix' "usage as a service" changes into the api doc [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/04/28-mediaann-minutes.html#action07]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-256 - Integrate felix' "usage as a service" changes into the api doc [on WonSuk Lee - due 2010-05-05].

<daniel> Joakim: +1

<daniel> voting results on both ontology and API docs: YES (7), NO (0)

<joakim> +1

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