RDFa Working Group Teleconference

Minutes of 20 January 2011

Agenda
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdfa-wg/2011Jan/0095.html
Present
Benjamin Adrian, Ivan Herman, Knud Möller, Manu Sporny, Nathan Rixham, Shane McCarron, Steven Pemberton, Toby Inkster
Chair
Manu Sporny
Scribe
Toby Inkster
IRC Log
Original and Editable Wiki Version
Resolutions

None.

Topics
15:01:52 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2011/01/20-rdfa-irc

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15:01:54 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world

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15:01:56 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 7332

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15:01:56 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_RDFa()10:00AM scheduled to start now

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, trackbot; I see SW_RDFa()10:00AM scheduled to start now

15:01:57 <tinkster> Zakim, who is here?

Toby Inkster: Zakim, who is here?

15:01:57 <trackbot> Meeting: RDFa Working Group Teleconference
15:01:57 <trackbot> Date: 20 January 2011
15:01:57 <Zakim> SW_RDFa()10:00AM has not yet started, tinkster

Zakim IRC Bot: SW_RDFa()10:00AM has not yet started, tinkster

15:01:59 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, Benjamin, Knud, tinkster, ShaneM, Steven, trackbot, ivan, webr3, markbirbeck, manu1, manu

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, Benjamin, Knud, tinkster, ShaneM, Steven, trackbot, ivan, webr3, markbirbeck, manu1, manu

15:02:13 <ivan> zakim, dial ivan-voip

Ivan Herman: zakim, dial ivan-voip

15:02:13 <Zakim> ok, ivan; the call is being made

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, ivan; the call is being made

15:02:25 <tinkster> Zakim, who is here?

Toby Inkster: Zakim, who is here?

15:02:25 <Zakim> SW_RDFa()10:00AM has not yet started, tinkster

Zakim IRC Bot: SW_RDFa()10:00AM has not yet started, tinkster

15:02:26 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, Benjamin, Knud, tinkster, ShaneM, Steven, trackbot, ivan, webr3, markbirbeck, manu1, manu

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, Benjamin, Knud, tinkster, ShaneM, Steven, trackbot, ivan, webr3, markbirbeck, manu1, manu

15:02:38 <Benjamin> zakim, who is on the phone?

Benjamin Adrian: zakim, who is on the phone?

15:02:38 <Zakim> SW_RDFa()10:00AM has not yet started, Benjamin

Zakim IRC Bot: SW_RDFa()10:00AM has not yet started, Benjamin

15:02:39 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, Benjamin, Knud, tinkster, ShaneM, Steven, trackbot, ivan, webr3, markbirbeck, manu1, manu

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, Benjamin, Knud, tinkster, ShaneM, Steven, trackbot, ivan, webr3, markbirbeck, manu1, manu

15:03:29 <tinkster> Zakim, mute me

Toby Inkster: Zakim, mute me

15:03:29 <Zakim> sorry, tinkster, I don't know what conference this is

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, tinkster, I don't know what conference this is

15:03:33 <manu1> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdfa-wg/2011Jan/0095.html
15:03:35 <manu1> Chair: Manu
15:03:35 <manu1> Present: Benjamin, Ivan, Knud, Manu, Nathan, Shane, Steven, Toby
15:03:38 <tinkster> Zakim, this is RDFA

Toby Inkster: Zakim, this is RDFA

15:03:38 <Zakim> ok, tinkster; that matches SW_RDFa()10:00AM

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, tinkster; that matches SW_RDFa()10:00AM

15:03:42 <tinkster> I can scribe.

Toby Inkster: I can scribe.

15:03:43 <manu1> Scribe: Toby

(Scribe set to Toby Inkster)

15:03:51 <tinkster> Zakim, who is here?

Zakim, who is here?

15:03:51 <Zakim> On the phone I see ShaneM, +44.123.456.aaaa, +47.85.583.aacc, Ivan, ??P31, +3539149aadd

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see ShaneM, +44.123.456.aaaa, +47.85.583.aacc, Ivan, ??P31, +3539149aadd

15:03:54 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, Benjamin, Knud, tinkster, ShaneM, Steven, trackbot, ivan, webr3, markbirbeck, manu1, manu

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, Benjamin, Knud, tinkster, ShaneM, Steven, trackbot, ivan, webr3, markbirbeck, manu1, manu

15:04:06 <manu1> zakim, I am aadd

Manu Sporny: zakim, I am aadd

15:04:08 <Zakim> +manu1; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +manu1; got it

15:04:09 <Steven> zakim, dial steven-617

Steven Pemberton: zakim, dial steven-617

15:04:09 <Zakim> ok, Steven; the call is being made

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, Steven; the call is being made

15:04:11 <tinkster> Zakim, aacc is me

Zakim, aacc is me

15:04:11 <Zakim> +Steven

Zakim IRC Bot: +Steven

15:04:11 <Zakim> +tinkster; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +tinkster; got it

15:04:29 <tinkster> Zakim, mute me

Zakim, mute me

15:04:29 <Zakim> tinkster should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: tinkster should now be muted

15:04:33 <Steven> zakim, who is on the phone?

Steven Pemberton: zakim, who is on the phone?

15:04:33 <Zakim> On the phone I see ShaneM, +44.123.456.aaaa, tinkster (muted), Ivan, ??P31, manu1, Steven

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see ShaneM, +44.123.456.aaaa, tinkster (muted), Ivan, ??P31, manu1, Steven

15:04:51 <Steven> zakim, who is making noise?

Steven Pemberton: zakim, who is making noise?

15:04:56 <Knud> zakim, I am aadd

Knud Möller: zakim, I am aadd

15:04:56 <Zakim> sorry, Knud, I do not see a party named 'aadd'

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, Knud, I do not see a party named 'aadd'

15:05:01 <Zakim> Steven, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: ShaneM (9%), ??P31 (62%), Ivan (21%), manu1 (40%)

Zakim IRC Bot: Steven, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: ShaneM (9%), ??P31 (62%), Ivan (21%), manu1 (40%)

15:05:04 <tinkster> Manu: any adjustments to agenda?

Manu Sporny: any adjustments to agenda?

15:06:41 <Zakim> +??P32

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P32

15:06:42 <tinkster> Shane: role attribute module is in Last Call. Someone should respond to it, but it shouldn't be me, as I'm the principle author!

Shane McCarron: role attribute module is in Last Call. Someone should respond to it, but it shouldn't be me, as I'm the principle author!

15:06:48 <webr3> Zakim, I am ??

Nathan Rixham: Zakim, I am ??

15:06:48 <Zakim> sorry, webr3, I do not see a party named '??'

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, webr3, I do not see a party named '??'

15:06:53 <webr3> Zakim, I am ??P32

Nathan Rixham: Zakim, I am ??P32

15:06:53 <Zakim> +webr3; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +webr3; got it

15:06:59 <tinkster> Toby: I'll review it.

Toby Inkster: I'll review it.

15:07:05 <manu1> ACTION: Toby to review the @role specification.

ACTION: Toby to review the @role specification.

15:07:06 <trackbot> Created ACTION-41 - Review the @role specification. [on Toby Inkster - due 2011-01-27].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-41 - Review the @role specification. [on Toby Inkster - due 2011-01-27].

15:08:14 <tinkster> Zakim, who's making noise?

Zakim, who's making noise?

15:08:24 <Zakim> tinkster, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Ivan (15%), manu1 (54%)

Zakim IRC Bot: tinkster, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Ivan (15%), manu1 (54%)

15:08:36 <ivan> zakim, drop me

Ivan Herman: zakim, drop me

15:08:36 <Zakim> Ivan is being disconnected

Zakim IRC Bot: Ivan is being disconnected

15:08:37 <Zakim> -Ivan

Zakim IRC Bot: -Ivan

15:08:52 <ivan> zakim, dial ivan-voip

Ivan Herman: zakim, dial ivan-voip

15:08:54 <Zakim> ok, ivan; the call is being made

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, ivan; the call is being made

15:08:54 <Zakim> +Ivan

Zakim IRC Bot: +Ivan

15:08:56 <Zakim> -??P31

Zakim IRC Bot: -??P31

15:09:04 <Steven> zakim, who is making noise?

Steven Pemberton: zakim, who is making noise?

15:09:11 <Benjamin> zakim, who is on the phone?

Benjamin Adrian: zakim, who is on the phone?

15:09:11 <Zakim> On the phone I see ShaneM, +44.123.456.aaaa, tinkster (muted), Ivan, manu1, Steven, webr3

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see ShaneM, +44.123.456.aaaa, tinkster (muted), Ivan, manu1, Steven, webr3

15:09:15 <Zakim> Steven, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: ShaneM (39%), webr3 (8%), manu1 (53%), Ivan (24%)

Zakim IRC Bot: Steven, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: ShaneM (39%), webr3 (8%), manu1 (53%), Ivan (24%)

15:09:18 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller]

15:09:35 <Benjamin> zakim, I am aaaa

Benjamin Adrian: zakim, I am aaaa

15:09:35 <Zakim> +Benjamin; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Benjamin; got it

15:09:42 <Knud> zakim, I am aadd

Knud Möller: zakim, I am aadd

15:09:42 <Zakim> sorry, Knud, I do not see a party named 'aadd'

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, Knud, I do not see a party named 'aadd'

15:09:51 <Steven> zakim, manu is Knud

Steven Pemberton: zakim, manu is Knud

15:09:51 <Zakim> +Knud; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Knud; got it

15:10:58 <manu1> Topic: ISSUE-63: Case-insensitive term matching

1. ISSUE-63: Case-insensitive term matching

15:10:58 <tinkster> Manu: let's get started - ISSUE-63.

Manu Sporny: let's get started - ISSUE-63.

15:10:59 <manu1> http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/track/issues/63

Manu Sporny: http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/track/issues/63

15:10:08 <Zakim> -Knud

Zakim IRC Bot: -Knud

15:10:35 <tinkster> Shane: Didn't Manu propose a solution to this?

Shane McCarron: Didn't Manu propose a solution to this?

15:10:56 <Zakim> +Knud

Zakim IRC Bot: +Knud

15:11:02 <Knud> zakim, mute me

Knud Möller: zakim, mute me

15:11:02 <Zakim> Knud should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: Knud should now be muted

15:11:09 <tinkster> Manu: No, though this is a somewhat related issue. Not as simple.

Manu Sporny: No, though this is a somewhat related issue. Not as simple.

15:11:38 <ivan> q+

Ivan Herman: q+

15:11:55 <ShaneM> term Agent != term agent.  if agENT is referenced in a document which version gets picked up?

Shane McCarron: term Agent != term agent. if agENT is referenced in a document which version gets picked up?

15:13:59 <manu1> ack ivan

Manu Sporny: ack ivan

15:14:09 <tinkster> Manu: two possibilities would be ASCII/UTF-8 sort order, or order that they're each declared in the same profile.

Manu Sporny: two possibilities would be ASCII/UTF-8 sort order, or order that they're each declared in the same profile.

15:14:47 <tinkster> Ivan: Didn't we decide that terms are always compared in lower-case?

Ivan Herman: Didn't we decide that terms are always compared in lower-case?

15:15:09 <webr3> agENT == agent == Agent

Nathan Rixham: agENT == agent == Agent

15:15:16 <tinkster> Zakim, unmute me

Zakim, unmute me

15:15:17 <Zakim> tinkster should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: tinkster should no longer be muted

15:15:51 <manu1> What happens when we declare in a vocabulary two terms: "Agent" and "agent"

Manu Sporny: What happens when we declare in a vocabulary two terms: "Agent" and "agent"

15:16:38 <manu1> and then somebody does this:

Manu Sporny: and then somebody does this:

15:16:47 <manu1> typeof="agENT"

Manu Sporny: typeof="agENT"

15:16:53 <tinkster> Zakim, mute me.

Zakim, mute me.

15:16:53 <Zakim> tinkster should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: tinkster should now be muted

15:17:08 <tinkster> Manu: Do we recognise that there's an issue?

Manu Sporny: Do we recognise that there's an issue?

15:17:11 <webr3> q+ to say drop case insensitivity fall back

Nathan Rixham: q+ to say drop case insensitivity fall back

15:17:17 <manu1> ack tinkster

Manu Sporny: ack tinkster

15:17:18 <Zakim> tinkster, you wanted to say terms are case sensitive

Zakim IRC Bot: tinkster, you wanted to say terms are case sensitive

15:17:21 <manu1> ack webr3

Manu Sporny: ack webr3

15:17:21 <Zakim> webr3, you wanted to say drop case insensitivity fall back

Zakim IRC Bot: webr3, you wanted to say drop case insensitivity fall back

15:17:33 <tinkster> (Broad agreement that there's an issue.)

(Broad agreement that there's an issue.)

15:18:15 <ivan> q+

Ivan Herman: q+

15:18:45 <manu1> ack ivan

Manu Sporny: ack ivan

15:20:17 <manu1> typeof="agENT"

Manu Sporny: typeof="agENT"

15:20:26 <ShaneM> the spec currently says: Check iif the <code>term</code> matches an item in the list of <tref>local term mappings</tref>. First compare against the list <em>case-sensitively</em>, and if there is no match then compare <em>case-insensitively</em>. If there is a match,  use the associated URI.

Shane McCarron: the spec currently says: Check iif the <code>term</code> matches an item in the list of <tref>local term mappings</tref>. First compare against the list <em>case-sensitively</em>, and if there is no match then compare <em>case-insensitively</em>. If there is a match, use the associated URI.

15:21:17 <manu1> We also do case-insensitive because of possibilities like this: xmlns:FOO

Manu Sporny: We also do case-insensitive because of possibilities like this: xmlns:FOO

15:21:18 <tinkster> Ivan/Nathan: Should we return to case-sensitive terms?

Ivan/Nathan: Should we return to case-sensitive terms?

15:21:49 <webr3> q+ to say there might be a way around this

Nathan Rixham: q+ to say there might be a way around this

15:22:24 <manu1> ack webr3

Manu Sporny: ack webr3

15:22:24 <Zakim> webr3, you wanted to say there might be a way around this

Zakim IRC Bot: webr3, you wanted to say there might be a way around this

15:22:56 <tinkster> Nathan: Can't we have this case-sensitive apart from rel?

Nathan Rixham: Can't we have this case-sensitive apart from rel?

15:23:33 <tinkster> Ivan: No, I don't think that solves it. Treating rel specially complicates implementations.

Ivan Herman: No, I don't think that solves it. Treating rel specially complicates implementations.

15:24:00 <tinkster> ... CURIE and term mappings are one of the most complicated aspects of implementing RDFa.

... CURIE and term mappings are one of the most complicated aspects of implementing RDFa.

15:25:00 <tinkster> ShaneM: We could just note that the algorithm is non-deterministic in the spec.

Shane McCarron: We could just note that the algorithm is non-deterministic in the spec.

15:25:34 <tinkster> ... Or we could choose one of Manu's strategies. I'd prefer last-defined wins.

... Or we could choose one of Manu's strategies. I'd prefer last-defined wins.

15:26:52 <tinkster> ShaneM/Manu: there are various ways of implementing this.

ShaneM/Manu: there are various ways of implementing this.

15:28:54 <tinkster> Ivan: we just say that all terms are case-insensitive.

Ivan Herman: we just say that all terms are case-insensitive.

15:29:33 <manu1> What about valid cases where case does matter - Account vs. account in Commerce vocabulary?

Manu Sporny: What about valid cases where case does matter - Account vs. account in Commerce vocabulary?

15:29:41 <tinkster> Manu: That's a big problem for our company. We use case to differentiate between otherwise identically-named terms.

Manu Sporny: That's a big problem for our company. We use case to differentiate between otherwise identically-named terms.

15:29:53 <webr3> q+ to say, what if you had propertyterm and classterm?

Nathan Rixham: q+ to say, what if you had propertyterm and classterm?

15:30:10 <webr3> q-

Nathan Rixham: q-

15:30:35 <tinkster> Ivan: Then we just say "it's undefined - don't do that".

Ivan Herman: Then we just say "it's undefined - don't do that".

15:31:30 <webr3> properyterm="agent" - classterm="Agent"

Nathan Rixham: properyterm="agent" - classterm="Agent"

15:31:56 <tinkster> Nathan: have two different sets of term mappings - one for @typeof, and one for other attributes.

Nathan Rixham: have two different sets of term mappings - one for @typeof, and one for other attributes.

15:32:15 <manu1> type="agENT"

Manu Sporny: type="agENT"

15:32:19 <manu1> typeof="agENT"

Manu Sporny: typeof="agENT"

15:32:37 <ShaneM> q+ to clarify

Shane McCarron: q+ to clarify

15:32:47 <tinkster> Manu: I'm starting to think leaving it undefined is best.

Manu Sporny: I'm starting to think leaving it undefined is best.

15:32:48 <manu1> ack shaneM

Manu Sporny: ack shaneM

15:32:48 <Zakim> ShaneM, you wanted to clarify

Zakim IRC Bot: ShaneM, you wanted to clarify

15:33:52 <tinkster> ShaneM: I can support that. We'll get pushback from HTML WG though.

Shane McCarron: I can support that. We'll get pushback from HTML WG though.

15:35:11 <webr3> q+

Nathan Rixham: q+

15:35:16 <manu1> ack webr3

Manu Sporny: ack webr3

15:35:30 <Steven> I'm OK with undefined as well

Steven Pemberton: I'm OK with undefined as well

15:36:14 <tinkster> Nathan: Microdata's itemprop is case-sensitive.

Nathan Rixham: Microdata's itemprop is case-sensitive.

15:36:24 <manu1> typeof="agENT"

Manu Sporny: typeof="agENT"

15:36:39 <manu1> that's undefined, but the processor will generate a triple.

Manu Sporny: that's undefined, but the processor will generate a triple.

15:37:13 <manu1> the triple that's generated is undefined

Manu Sporny: the triple that's generated is undefined

15:37:14 <webr3> "When extension relation types are compared, they MUST be compared as strings (after converting to URIs if serialised in a different format, such as a Curie [W3C.CR-curie-20090116]) in a case-insensitive fashion, character-by-character. Because of this, all-lowercase URIs SHOULD be used for extension relations." -- <http://greenbytes.de/tech/webdav/rfc5988.html>

Nathan Rixham: "When extension relation types are compared, they MUST be compared as strings (after converting to URIs if serialised in a different format, such as a Curie [W3C.CR-curie-20090116]) in a case-insensitive fashion, character-by-character. Because of this, all-lowercase URIs SHOULD be used for extension relations." -- <http://greenbytes.de/tech/webdav/rfc5988.html>

15:37:28 <tinkster> Zakim, unmute me

Zakim, unmute me

15:37:28 <Zakim> tinkster was not muted, tinkster

Zakim IRC Bot: tinkster was not muted, tinkster

15:37:59 <tinkster> Zakim, mute me

Zakim, mute me

15:37:59 <Zakim> tinkster should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: tinkster should now be muted

15:38:15 <tinkster> ShaneM: I'll flesh out some wording.

Shane McCarron: I'll flesh out some wording.

15:38:15 <ShaneM> "In the event that multiple terms are defined that differ only in case, it is undefined which term is matched when a reference is made which does NOT match case-sensitively.'

Shane McCarron: "In the event that multiple terms are defined that differ only in case, it is undefined which term is matched when a reference is made which does NOT match case-sensitively.'

15:39:06 <tinkster> Manu: Shane's text for last topic seems sensible.

Manu Sporny: Shane's text for last topic seems sensible.

15:38:05 <manu1> Topic: ISSUE-66: Last Call comments from Ian Hickson for RDFa Core 1.1

2. ISSUE-66: Last Call comments from Ian Hickson for RDFa Core 1.1

15:38:27 <tinkster> Manu: Next topic ISSUE-66.

Manu Sporny: Next topic ISSUE-66.

15:38:47 <tinkster> ... Many of his proposals would cause back-compat issues... goes against the charter. Clear what he wants, but the RDFa WG is operating under a different set of philosophical constraints.

... Many of his proposals would cause back-compat issues... goes against the charter. Clear what he wants, but the RDFa WG is operating under a different set of philosophical constraints.

15:39:11 <Knud> http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/track/issues/66

Knud Möller: http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/track/issues/66

15:39:33 <tinkster> Manu: Hixie says that RDFa should not have prefixes.

Manu Sporny: Hixie says that RDFa should not have prefixes.

15:39:55 <ivan> q+

Ivan Herman: q+

15:40:01 <manu1> ack ivan

Manu Sporny: ack ivan

15:40:07 <tinkster> ... We've voted in favour of prefixes over and over again. This is a useful feature of the language.

... We've voted in favour of prefixes over and over again. This is a useful feature of the language.

15:41:10 <tinkster> Ivan: There's already a large deployment of RDFa, so we can't drop this feature even if we wanted to. It would also break our charter to break back-compat.

Ivan Herman: There's already a large deployment of RDFa, so we can't drop this feature even if we wanted to. It would also break our charter to break back-compat.

15:42:43 <webr3> There is a fresh proposal, as of yesterday, in HTML WG to remove @profile, @prefix and @xmlns: from HTML5+RDFa - http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/2011Jan/att-0022/cp-120.html

Nathan Rixham: There is a fresh proposal, as of yesterday, in HTML WG to remove @profile, @prefix and @xmlns: from HTML5+RDFa - http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/2011Jan/att-0022/cp-120.html

15:47:13 <tinkster> http://www.w3.org/TR/html-design-principles/#support-existing-content

http://www.w3.org/TR/html-design-principles/#support-existing-content

15:47:24 <Steven> +1

Steven Pemberton: +1

15:48:12 <tinkster> Manu: prefixes are used everywhere in published content. We can't drop them.

Manu Sporny: prefixes are used everywhere in published content. We can't drop them.

15:48:53 <tinkster> ... Hixie also brings up usability testing.

... Hixie also brings up usability testing.

15:49:31 <webr3> have usability studies been done on HTML?

Nathan Rixham: have usability studies been done on HTML?

15:49:38 <tinkster> ShaneM: The community is already using RDFa and the plethora of implementations seem to get things broadly correct.

Shane McCarron: The community is already using RDFa and the plethora of implementations seem to get things broadly correct.

15:50:19 <tinkster> Nathan: I'm happy to draft a response on this.

Nathan Rixham: I'm happy to draft a response on this.

15:51:40 <tinkster> Topic: Distributing Last Call Comment Analysis and Responses

3. Distributing Last Call Comment Analysis and Responses

15:51:41 <tinkster> Manu: Some of the remaining LC comments are really detailed, so we may need to split the work up, draft responses and only discuss contentious points on the call.

Manu Sporny: Some of the remaining LC comments are really detailed, so we may need to split the work up, draft responses and only discuss contentious points on the call.

15:52:15 <tinkster> Ivan: Many of JeniT's comments are editorial; could these be separated out?

Ivan Herman: Many of JeniT's comments are editorial; could these be separated out?

15:52:25 <Steven> Triage!

Steven Pemberton: Triage!

15:53:34 <tinkster> Manu: any objections to moving forward with this new way of handling LC comments?

Manu Sporny: any objections to moving forward with this new way of handling LC comments?

15:53:54 <tinkster> Manu: OK then, who should take what?

Manu Sporny: OK then, who should take what?

15:53:59 <manu1> http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/track/products/8

Manu Sporny: http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/track/products/8

15:56:42 <Steven> To assign these to people, you could use the RAISED BY field

Steven Pemberton: To assign these to people, you could use the RAISED BY field

15:57:36 <tinkster> Ivan: I'd like to split Harry's issue into several smaller ones.

Ivan Herman: I'd like to split Harry's issue into several smaller ones.

15:58:12 <tinkster> Manu: That's fine as a way of dealing with the issues.

Manu Sporny: That's fine as a way of dealing with the issues.

15:59:48 <manu1> ACTION: Ivan to triage ISSUE-68 and ISSUE-69

ACTION: Ivan to triage ISSUE-68 and ISSUE-69

15:59:48 <trackbot> Created ACTION-43 - Triage ISSUE-68 and ISSUE-69 [on Ivan Herman - due 2011-01-27].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-43 - Triage ISSUE-68 and ISSUE-69 [on Ivan Herman - due 2011-01-27].

16:00:06 <tinkster> Zakim, unmute me

Zakim, unmute me

16:00:06 <Zakim> tinkster should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: tinkster should no longer be muted

16:01:27 <Steven> trackbot, help

Steven Pemberton: trackbot, help

16:01:27 <trackbot> See http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc for help

Trackbot IRC Bot: See http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc for help

16:01:56 <manu1> ACTION: Toby to triage ISSUE-67 and ISSUE-74.

ACTION: Toby to triage ISSUE-67 and ISSUE-74.

16:01:56 <trackbot> Created ACTION-44 - Triage ISSUE-67 and ISSUE-74. [on Toby Inkster - due 2011-01-27].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-44 - Triage ISSUE-67 and ISSUE-74. [on Toby Inkster - due 2011-01-27].

16:02:03 <tinkster> Zakim, mute me

Zakim, mute me

16:02:03 <Zakim> tinkster should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: tinkster should now be muted

16:02:20 <tinkster> (Issues are being divvied up.)

(Issues are being divvied up.)

16:02:52 <manu1> ACTION: Nathan to triage ISSUE-66 and ISSUE-76

ACTION: Nathan to triage ISSUE-66 and ISSUE-76

16:02:53 <trackbot> Created ACTION-45 - Triage ISSUE-66 and ISSUE-76 [on Nathan Rixham - due 2011-01-27].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-45 - Triage ISSUE-66 and ISSUE-76 [on Nathan Rixham - due 2011-01-27].

16:03:49 <Steven> Give me one of those

Steven Pemberton: Give me one of those

16:04:32 <manu1> ACTION: Shane to triage ISSUE-70 and ISSUE-72

ACTION: Shane to triage ISSUE-70 and ISSUE-72

16:04:32 <trackbot> Created ACTION-46 - Triage ISSUE-70 and ISSUE-72 [on Shane McCarron - due 2011-01-27].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-46 - Triage ISSUE-70 and ISSUE-72 [on Shane McCarron - due 2011-01-27].

16:04:59 <tinkster> Zakim, unmute me

Zakim, unmute me

16:04:59 <Zakim> tinkster should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: tinkster should no longer be muted

16:05:38 <manu1> ACTION: Steven to triage ISSUE-75.

ACTION: Steven to triage ISSUE-75.

16:05:38 <trackbot> Sorry, amibiguous username (more than one match) - Steven

Trackbot IRC Bot: Sorry, amibiguous username (more than one match) - Steven

16:05:38 <trackbot> Try using a different identifier, such as family name or username (eg. steven, spembert)

Trackbot IRC Bot: Try using a different identifier, such as family name or username (eg. steven, spembert)

16:05:54 <tinkster> Zakim, mute me

Zakim, mute me

16:05:54 <Zakim> tinkster should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: tinkster should now be muted

16:06:09 <Steven> trackbot, status

Steven Pemberton: trackbot, status

16:06:14 <ivan> q+

Ivan Herman: q+

16:06:31 <Steven> :-)

Steven Pemberton: :-)

16:06:51 <manu1> ack ivan

Manu Sporny: ack ivan

16:07:41 <tinkster> Zakim, unmute me

Zakim, unmute me

16:07:41 <Zakim> tinkster should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: tinkster should no longer be muted

16:08:58 <manu1> ACTION: Manu to triage ISSUE-71.

ACTION: Manu to triage ISSUE-71.

16:08:58 <trackbot> Created ACTION-48 - Triage ISSUE-71. [on Manu Sporny - due 2011-01-27].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-48 - Triage ISSUE-71. [on Manu Sporny - due 2011-01-27].

16:09:09 <manu1> ACTION: Mark to triage ISSUE-73.

ACTION: Mark to triage ISSUE-73.

16:09:09 <trackbot> Created ACTION-49 - Triage ISSUE-73. [on Mark Birbeck - due 2011-01-27].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-49 - Triage ISSUE-73. [on Mark Birbeck - due 2011-01-27].

16:09:30 <Steven> http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/track/actions/open

Steven Pemberton: http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/track/actions/open

16:10:23 <tinkster> Manu: by next week we should have split each issue up into 3 parts: 1) editorial comments that can be addressed without much debate, 2) non-editorial comments that the WG has already discussed and come to a conclusion on, and 3) non-editorial comments that the group has not discussed, or comments that are contentious and need the groups focused effort in order to resolve.

Manu Sporny: by next week we should have split each issue up into 3 parts: 1) editorial comments that can be addressed without much debate, 2) non-editorial comments that the WG has already discussed and come to a conclusion on, and 3) non-editorial comments that the group has not discussed, or comments that are contentious and need the groups focused effort in order to resolve.

16:11:17 <tinkster> ... Send progress to the mailing list, draft responses are welcome. Let's try to get the first sweep through these done by next Thursday's telecon.

... Send progress to the mailing list, draft responses are welcome. Let's try to get the first sweep through these done by next Thursday's telecon.

16:11:37 <tinkster> ... Add new ISSUEs for #3 above - anything that the group needs to discuss should be marked as a Last Call Issue.

... Add new ISSUEs for #3 above - anything that the group needs to discuss should be marked as a Last Call Issue.

16:11:49 <Zakim> -webr3

Zakim IRC Bot: -webr3

16:11:50 <Zakim> -Ivan

Zakim IRC Bot: -Ivan

16:11:51 <Zakim> -Steven

Zakim IRC Bot: -Steven

16:11:52 <Zakim> -tinkster

Zakim IRC Bot: -tinkster

16:11:52 <Zakim> -Knud

Zakim IRC Bot: -Knud

16:11:53 <Zakim> -[IPcaller]

Zakim IRC Bot: -[IPcaller]

16:11:55 <Zakim> -ShaneM

Zakim IRC Bot: -ShaneM

16:12:06 <Zakim> -Benjamin

Zakim IRC Bot: -Benjamin

16:12:07 <Zakim> SW_RDFa()10:00AM has ended

Zakim IRC Bot: SW_RDFa()10:00AM has ended

16:12:08 <Zakim> Attendees were ShaneM, +44.123.456.aaaa, +3539149aabb, +47.85.583.aacc, Ivan, +3539149aadd, manu1, Steven, tinkster, webr3, [IPcaller], Benjamin, Knud

Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were ShaneM, +44.123.456.aaaa, +3539149aabb, +47.85.583.aacc, Ivan, +3539149aadd, manu1, Steven, tinkster, webr3, [IPcaller], Benjamin, Knud



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