MAWG -- 16 Feb 2010

<tmichel> hello

<tobias> hi

<tmichel> for some reason I can't invite zakim

<wbailer> zakim is already there

<tmichel> ok I see ;-)

<tmichel> Scribe:Thierry

<tmichel> Meeting: MAWG Teleconf

<joakim> Hello

<tmichel> I will call back I can't hear a thing ...

<joakim> chair: joakim

Agenda review and approval of previous minutes telecon

<joakim> thierry can you hear me?

<tmichel> I don'tr hear anything

<tmichel> I will call again ...

<veroniqueM> \me is it any better now?

<joakim> Is Florian on line?

<florian> scribe: florian

<joakim> scribe: Florian

<joakim> http://www.w3.org/2010/02/02-mediaann-minutes.html

scribe for parts of the F2F: Thierry

approval of previous minutes

minutes approved

next meeting will be the F2F (23. February 2010)

7th F2F

werner: person who is responsible was ill, so no confirmation yet
... preferred date is the 27.-28. April 2010 (Vienna)
... final confirmation will be available soon

<joakim> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/open

action items

action-47: ongoing

<trackbot> ACTION-47 And Frank to investiage existing approach for setting metadata on a "metamodel level" (or "ontology level") notes added

action-124: ongoing

<trackbot> ACTION-124 Check - everybody responsible for a format: add a column describing syntactic information ("data types", see cable lab column "Type") to his table notes added

action-135: ongoing

<trackbot> ACTION-135 update description of location to represent shot location notes added

action-149: ongoing

<trackbot> ACTION-149 Review of whole of ontology doc with veronique notes added

action-163: ongoing

<trackbot> ACTION-163 Update some of the descriptions to make them more precise and highlight the difference with DC notes added

action-171: ongoing

action-189: ongoing

<trackbot> ACTION-189 Postponed: Work on the the subproperties notes added

action-208: ongoing

<trackbot> ACTION-208 Read and sumarize test-methodolofy for the group notes added

action-209: ongoing

<trackbot> ACTION-209 Share his image metadata with the group (when he has it) notes added

status of the ontology document

Joakim: we promised to go into the last call in march
... Veronique - do you have updates?

Veronique: i have rewritten the ontology doc
... abstract should be rewritten
... typos are to correct
... an external reviewer would be nice
... afterwards we could make a final document

Joakim: excellent idea
... shall we ask a new invited expert, e.g. John?

Veronique: perhaps another person with a differing more from mine background would be better?

Felix: (not understandable...)

<fsasaki> felix: how about asking the webapps WG?

<veroniqueM> good idea!

<fsasaki> .. they need to use the ontology, with the API as a proxy, anyway at some point

<veroniqueM> yes, good suggestion!

<wbailer> +1

<fsasaki> .. and we used web IDL in the API doc already, so have some proximity to them already

<joakim> +1

<joakim> thanks!

<fsasaki> felix: propose to have just one or a view reviewer from the webApp group - no need to have an "official" group review

action to joakim: ask the webapps group to review our ontology document

<trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - to

<scribe> ACTION: joakim to ask someone of the webapps group to review our ontology document [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/02/16-mediaann-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-210 - Ask someone of the webapps group to review our ontology document [on Joakim Söderberg - due 2010-02-23].

Werner: we have collected several issues for the ontology document in the wiki
... will they be addressed?

<wbailer> list of issues: http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/wiki/Improvements_/_Enhancement_for_a_revision_of_the_%22Ontology_for_Media_Resource_1.0%22_document

Veronique: what i can do is to correct the abstract and check the wiki
... i will contact wonsuk to publish the new version
... he could put it online until monday
... everybody is welcome to add comments

<veroniqueM> editor's draft: http://dev.w3.org/2008/video/mediaann/mediaont-1.0/mediaont-1.0.html

status of the api document

Joakim: there was a discussion on the mailing list about the client-server picture

Werner: i updated the figure and volunteered to write something about it

<scribe> ACTION: Werner to formulate a text regarding the client-server picture [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/02/16-mediaann-minutes.html#action02]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-211 - Formulate a text regarding the client-server picture [on Werner Bailer - due 2010-02-23].

<tmichel> I must dial in again, I can't hear anything :-(

<fsasaki> +1 about adding the section

Joakim: shall we add the section?

<tobias> +1

<fsasaki> RESOLUTION: WG agreed to add the client-server section to the API doc

<tmichel> test

RESOLUTION: WG agreed to add the section to the API doc regarding the client-server picture

<wbailer> api issues: http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/wiki/API_Open_Issues

<fsasaki> chair: joakim

<scribe> ACTION: chris to synchronize the api document with the open issues in the wiki entry [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/02/16-mediaann-minutes.html#action03]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-212 - Synchronize the api document with the open issues in the wiki entry [on Chris Poppe - due 2010-02-23].

test suite

joakim: we want to come up with test cases and the test data, right?

Tobias: we thought about how to test the ontology
... we want to test it with MPEG-7 and Dublin Core
... we want to meet in Passau to come up with something
... so we will concentrate on the mappings between standards

Werner: i?m not sure, what you want to test...a few mappings are incomplete
... how can you decide what it?s correct due to structural difference or design of the ontology?

Tobias: we want to do the mappings we have defined in the mapping table
... and also create an implementation
... these should be syntactical tests (maybe)
... something different from the API

Werner: the mapping table only defines things from one format to our core properties

Veronique: we should look in at the u&r document to derive use cases for the test suite
... to come up what formats could cover what properties

<tobias> Veronique: yes, this sounds like a good idea

<fsasaki> felix: think that the proposal from thierry / dom could help in speding up the test suite

<fsasaki> .. since with that the progress of the test suite and the API doc will be aligned

<fsasaki> .. I am referring to implementing that methodology http://www.w3.org/TR/2010/NOTE-test-methodology-20100128/ for the API doc

[discussion about the test suite]

<fsasaki> felix: would you mind if I take an action item to create a mini test suite example, which you can discuss at the f2f?

<fsasaki> ACTION: Felix to make a test suite example, before the f2f [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/02/16-mediaann-minutes.html#action04]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-213 - Make a test suite example, before the f2f [on Felix Sasaki - due 2010-02-23].

<joakim> thanks

Tobias: we will have a skype telco on that on thursday, will have the meeting in Passau and implement the test suite

<scribe> ACTION: tobias to please summarize the progress of the ontology test suite ideas [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/02/16-mediaann-minutes.html#action05]

<trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - tobias

<scribe> ACTION: Tobias to please summarize the progress of the ontology test suite ideas [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/02/16-mediaann-minutes.html#action06]

<trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - Tobias

*gna*

<fsasaki> ACTION: Tobias to summarize the progress of the ontology test suite ideas [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/02/16-mediaann-minutes.html#action07]

<trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - Tobias

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