IRC log of mediaann on 2010-02-16
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- logging to http://www.w3.org/2010/02/16-mediaann-irc
- 11:50:33 [wbailer]
- zakim, this will be mawg
- 11:50:33 [Zakim]
- ok, wbailer; I see IA_MAWG()7:00AM scheduled to start in 10 minutes
- 11:50:40 [wbailer]
- meeting: MAWG
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- IA_MAWG()7:00AM has now started
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- +??P0
- 11:53:37 [tobias]
- Zakim, ??P0 is me
- 11:53:37 [Zakim]
- +tobias; got it
- 11:57:04 [tmichel]
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- 11:57:15 [tmichel]
- hello
- 11:57:30 [tobias]
- hi
- 11:58:26 [tmichel]
- for some reason I can't invite zakim
- 11:58:46 [wbailer]
- zakim is already there
- 11:59:08 [wbailer]
- zakim, this is mawg
- 11:59:08 [Zakim]
- wbailer, this was already IA_MAWG()7:00AM
- 11:59:09 [Zakim]
- ok, wbailer; that matches IA_MAWG()7:00AM
- 11:59:17 [tmichel]
- ok I see ;-)
- 11:59:27 [tmichel]
- Scribe:Thierry
- 12:00:15 [Zakim]
- + +43.316.876.aaaa
- 12:00:24 [wbailer]
- zakim, aaaa is wbailer
- 12:00:24 [Zakim]
- +wbailer; got it
- 12:00:47 [tmichel]
- Meeting: MAWG Teleconf
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- +Thierry
- 12:01:49 [tmichel]
- regrets:Pierre antoine
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- +??P7
- 12:02:37 [veroniqueM]
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- 12:02:39 [wbailer]
- regrets+ Chris, Bennett
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- +[VrijeUni]
- 12:04:59 [tobias]
- zakim, unmute tobias
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- tobias should no longer be muted
- 12:05:06 [joakim]
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- 12:05:24 [joakim]
- Hello
- 12:05:38 [Zakim]
- + +46.1.07.17.aabb
- 12:05:45 [tmichel]
- I will call back I can't hear a thing ...
- 12:05:52 [Zakim]
- -Thierry
- 12:06:04 [veroniqueM]
- zakim, +[VrijeUni] is me
- 12:06:04 [Zakim]
- sorry, veroniqueM, I do not recognize a party named '+[VrijeUni]'
- 12:06:31 [Zakim]
- +Thierry
- 12:06:53 [joakim]
- zakim, this is mawg
- 12:06:53 [Zakim]
- joakim, this was already IA_MAWG()7:00AM
- 12:06:54 [Zakim]
- ok, joakim; that matches IA_MAWG()7:00AM
- 12:06:57 [veroniqueM]
- zakim, VrijeUni is me
- 12:06:57 [Zakim]
- +veroniqueM; got it
- 12:07:12 [joakim]
- chair: j
- 12:07:15 [joakim]
- chair: joakim
- 12:07:31 [tmichel]
- topic:Agenda review and approval of previous minutes telecon
- 12:07:39 [joakim]
- zakim, who is noisy?
- 12:07:50 [Zakim]
- joakim, listening for 11 seconds I heard sound from the following: veroniqueM (64%)
- 12:08:35 [florian]
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- thierry can you hear me?
- 12:08:56 [tmichel]
- I don'tr hear anything
- 12:09:05 [tmichel]
- I will call again ...
- 12:09:08 [Zakim]
- -Thierry
- 12:09:19 [veroniqueM]
- \me is it any better now?
- 12:09:22 [joakim]
- Is Florian on line?
- 12:09:26 [Zakim]
- + +049851509aacc
- 12:09:43 [wbailer]
- zakim, aacc is florian
- 12:09:43 [Zakim]
- +florian; got it
- 12:09:43 [florian]
- Zakim, aacc is me
- 12:09:45 [Zakim]
- sorry, florian, I do not recognize a party named 'aacc'
- 12:09:49 [florian]
- scribe: florian
- 12:10:02 [Zakim]
- +Thierry
- 12:10:33 [joakim]
- scribe: Florian
- 12:10:43 [joakim]
- http://www.w3.org/2010/02/02-mediaann-minutes.html
- 12:10:47 [florian]
- scribe for parts of the F2F: Thierry
- 12:11:23 [florian]
- topic: approval of previous minutes
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- minutes approved
- 12:13:39 [florian]
- next meeting will be the F2F (23. February 2010)
- 12:13:57 [florian]
- topic: 7th F2F
- 12:14:15 [florian]
- werner: person who is responsible was ill, so no confirmation yet
- 12:14:58 [florian]
- ... preferred date is the 27.-28. April 2010 (Vienna)
- 12:15:16 [florian]
- ... final confirmation will be available soon
- 12:15:24 [joakim]
- http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/open
- 12:15:32 [florian]
- topic: action items
- 12:16:06 [florian]
- action-47: ongoing
- 12:16:06 [trackbot]
- ACTION-47 And Frank to investiage existing approach for setting metadata on a "metamodel level" (or "ontology level") notes added
- 12:16:14 [florian]
- action-124: ongoing
- 12:16:14 [trackbot]
- ACTION-124 Check - everybody responsible for a format: add a column describing syntactic information ("data types", see cable lab column "Type") to his table notes added
- 12:16:28 [florian]
- action-135: ongoing
- 12:16:29 [trackbot]
- ACTION-135 update description of location to represent shot location notes added
- 12:16:37 [florian]
- action-149: ongoing
- 12:16:37 [trackbot]
- ACTION-149 Review of whole of ontology doc with veronique notes added
- 12:16:51 [florian]
- action-163: ongoing
- 12:16:51 [trackbot]
- ACTION-163 Update some of the descriptions to make them more precise and highlight the difference with DC notes added
- 12:17:02 [florian]
- action-171:ongoing
- 12:17:14 [florian]
- action-189: ongoing
- 12:17:14 [trackbot]
- ACTION-189 Postponed: Work on the the subproperties notes added
- 12:17:24 [florian]
- action-208: ongoing
- 12:17:24 [trackbot]
- ACTION-208 Read and sumarize test-methodolofy for the group notes added
- 12:18:03 [florian]
- action-209: ongoing
- 12:18:03 [trackbot]
- ACTION-209 Share his image metadata with the group (when he has it) notes added
- 12:18:21 [florian]
- topic: status of the ontology document
- 12:18:32 [florian]
- Joakim: we promised to go into the last call in march
- 12:18:43 [florian]
- ... Veronique - do you have updates?
- 12:18:55 [florian]
- Veronique: i have rewritten the ontology doc
- 12:19:03 [florian]
- ... abstract should be rewritten
- 12:19:11 [florian]
- ... typos are to correct
- 12:19:19 [florian]
- ... an external reviewer would be nice
- 12:19:28 [florian]
- ... afterwards we could make a final document
- 12:19:35 [florian]
- Joakim: excellent idea
- 12:19:50 [florian]
- ... shall we ask a new invited expert, e.g. John?
- 12:20:32 [florian]
- regrets: Pierre-Antoine, Chris, Bennet
- 12:20:55 [wbailer]
- s/Bennet/Bennett/
- 12:21:53 [florian]
- Veronique: perhaps another person with a better fitting background would be better?
- 12:22:10 [florian]
- Felix: (not understandable...)
- 12:22:24 [veroniqueM]
- s/better fitting/differing more from mine/
- 12:22:26 [fsasaki]
- felix: how about asking the webapps WG?
- 12:22:43 [veroniqueM]
- good idea!
- 12:22:45 [fsasaki]
- .. they need to use the ontology, with the API as a proxy, anyway at some point
- 12:23:01 [veroniqueM]
- yes, good suggestion!
- 12:23:02 [wbailer]
- +1
- 12:23:13 [fsasaki]
- .. and we used web IDL in the API doc already, so have some proximity to them already
- 12:23:15 [joakim]
- +1
- 12:23:32 [florian]
- +1
- 12:23:32 [joakim]
- thanks!
- 12:24:22 [fsasaki]
- felix: propose to have just one or a view reviewer from the webApp group - no need to have an "official" group review
- 12:24:32 [florian]
- action to joakim: ask the webapps group to review our ontology document
- 12:24:32 [trackbot]
- Sorry, couldn't find user - to
- 12:24:57 [florian]
- action joakim: ask someone of the webapps group to review our ontology document
- 12:24:58 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-210 - Ask someone of the webapps group to review our ontology document [on Joakim Söderberg - due 2010-02-23].
- 12:25:35 [florian]
- Zakim, mute me
- 12:25:35 [Zakim]
- florian should now be muted
- 12:26:01 [florian]
- Werner: we have collected several issues for the ontology document in the wiki
- 12:26:09 [florian]
- ... will they be addressed?
- 12:26:17 [wbailer]
- list of issues: http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/wiki/Improvements_/_Enhancement_for_a_revision_of_the_%22Ontology_for_Media_Resource_1.0%22_document
- 12:26:35 [florian]
- Veronique: what i can do is to correct the abstract and check the wiki
- 12:26:50 [florian]
- ... i will contact wonsuk to publish the new version
- 12:27:05 [florian]
- ... he could put it online until monday
- 12:27:32 [florian]
- ... everybody is welcome to add comments
- 12:28:23 [veroniqueM]
- editor's draft: http://dev.w3.org/2008/video/mediaann/mediaont-1.0/mediaont-1.0.html
- 12:28:32 [florian]
- topic: status of the api document
- 12:29:19 [florian]
- Joakim: there was a discussion on the mailing list about the client-server picture
- 12:29:23 [florian]
- Zakim, unmute me
- 12:29:23 [Zakim]
- florian should no longer be muted
- 12:30:13 [florian]
- Werner: i updated the figure and volunteered to write something about it
- 12:30:30 [florian]
- action Werner: formulate a text regarding the client-server picture
- 12:30:30 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-211 - Formulate a text regarding the client-server picture [on Werner Bailer - due 2010-02-23].
- 12:30:39 [tmichel]
- I must dial in again, I can't hear anything :-(
- 12:30:43 [Zakim]
- -Thierry
- 12:30:50 [florian]
- zakim, mute me
- 12:30:50 [Zakim]
- florian should now be muted
- 12:31:13 [Zakim]
- +Thierry
- 12:31:23 [florian]
- zakim, who is here
- 12:31:23 [Zakim]
- florian, you need to end that query with '?'
- 12:31:29 [florian]
- zakim, who is here?
- 12:31:29 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see tobias (muted), wbailer, Felix (muted), veroniqueM, +46.1.07.17.aabb, florian (muted), Thierry
- 12:31:31 [Zakim]
- On IRC I see florian, joakim, veroniqueM, fsasaki, tmichel, tobias, RRSAgent, Zakim, wbailer, trackbot
- 12:31:39 [fsasaki]
- +1 about adding the section
- 12:31:43 [florian]
- Joakim: shall we add the section?
- 12:31:44 [florian]
- +1
- 12:31:47 [tobias]
- +1
- 12:32:32 [fsasaki]
- RESOLUTION: WG agreed to add the section to the API doc
- 12:33:35 [florian]
- zakim, unmute me
- 12:33:35 [Zakim]
- florian should no longer be muted
- 12:33:43 [florian]
- zakim, aabb is joakim
- 12:33:43 [Zakim]
- +joakim; got it
- 12:33:45 [tmichel]
- test
- 12:34:16 [fsasaki]
- s/section /client-server section /
- 12:34:40 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/02/16-mediaann-minutes.html fsasaki
- 12:34:44 [florian]
- RESOLUTION: WG agreed to add the section to the API doc regarding the client-server picture
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- 12:35:14 [wbailer]
- api issues: http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/wiki/API_Open_Issues
- 12:35:47 [fsasaki]
- chair: joakim
- 12:36:04 [fsasaki]
- agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2010Feb/0038.html
- 12:36:39 [fsasaki]
- present: tobias, wbailer, Felix, veroniqueM, joakim, florian, Thierry
- 12:36:47 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/02/16-mediaann-minutes.html fsasaki
- 12:36:53 [florian]
- action chris: synchronize the api document with the open issues in the wiki entry
- 12:36:53 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-212 - Synchronize the api document with the open issues in the wiki entry [on Chris Poppe - due 2010-02-23].
- 12:37:54 [florian]
- Zakim, unmute me
- 12:37:54 [Zakim]
- florian was not muted, florian
- 12:38:20 [florian]
- Zakim, mute me
- 12:38:20 [Zakim]
- florian should now be muted
- 12:39:14 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/02/16-mediaann-minutes.html fsasaki
- 12:41:21 [florian]
- topic: test suite
- 12:42:24 [florian]
- joakim: we want to come up with test cases and the test data, right?
- 12:42:38 [florian]
- zakim, unmute me
- 12:42:38 [Zakim]
- florian should no longer be muted
- 12:43:01 [florian]
- zakim, mute me
- 12:43:01 [Zakim]
- florian should now be muted
- 12:43:14 [florian]
- Tobias: we thought about how to test the ontology
- 12:43:28 [florian]
- ... we want to test it with MPEG-7 and Dublin Core
- 12:43:37 [florian]
- ...we want to meet in Passau to come up with something
- 12:43:40 [florian]
- Zakim, mute Thierry
- 12:43:40 [Zakim]
- Thierry should now be muted
- 12:44:36 [florian]
- ... so we will concetrate on the mappings between standards
- 12:44:47 [florian]
- s/concetrate/concentrate
- 12:45:09 [florian]
- Werner: i?m not sure, what you want to test...a few mappings are incomplete
- 12:45:41 [florian]
- ... how can you decide what it?s correct due to structural difference or design of the ontology?
- 12:46:06 [florian]
- Tobias: we want to do the mappings we have defined in the mapping table
- 12:46:15 [florian]
- ... and also create an implementation
- 12:46:42 [florian]
- ... these should be syntactical tests (maybe)
- 12:46:54 [florian]
- ... something different from the API
- 12:47:20 [florian]
- Werner: the mapping table only defines things from one format to our core properties
- 12:49:06 [florian]
- Veronique: we should look in at the u&r document to derive use cases for the test suite
- 12:49:25 [florian]
- ... to come up what formats could cover what properties
- 12:49:28 [tobias]
- Veronique: yes, this sounds like a good idea
- 12:49:39 [florian]
- zakim, unmute me
- 12:49:39 [Zakim]
- florian should no longer be muted
- 12:55:57 [fsasaki]
- q+
- 12:56:22 [fsasaki]
- felix: think that the proposal from thierry / dom could help in speding up the test suite
- 12:56:42 [fsasaki]
- .. since with that the progress of the test suite and the API doc will be aligned
- 12:57:04 [fsasaki]
- .. I am reffering to implementing that methodology http://www.w3.org/TR/2010/NOTE-test-methodology-20100128/ for the API doc
- 12:57:13 [fsasaki]
- s/reffering /referring /
- 12:57:25 [fsasaki]
- ack fs
- 12:58:09 [florian]
- [discussion about the test suite]
- 12:58:22 [fsasaki]
- felix: would you mind if I take an action item to create a mini test suite example, which you can discuss at the f2f?
- 12:58:44 [florian]
- +1
- 12:59:02 [fsasaki]
- action: Felix to make a test suite example, before the f2f
- 12:59:03 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-213 - Make a test suite example, before the f2f [on Felix Sasaki - due 2010-02-23].
- 12:59:27 [joakim]
- thanks
- 13:00:21 [florian]
- Tobias: we will have a skype telco on that on thursday, will have the meeting in Passau and implement the test suite
- 13:00:44 [florian]
- action tobias: please summarize the progress of the ontology test suite ideas
- 13:00:44 [trackbot]
- Sorry, couldn't find user - tobias
- 13:00:50 [florian]
- action Tobias: please summarize the progress of the ontology test suite ideas
- 13:00:51 [trackbot]
- Sorry, couldn't find user - Tobias
- 13:00:54 [florian]
- *gna*
- 13:01:07 [fsasaki]
- action: Tobias to summarize the progress of the ontology test suite ideas
- 13:01:07 [trackbot]
- Sorry, couldn't find user - Tobias
- 13:01:35 [Zakim]
- -veroniqueM
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- -wbailer
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- -tobias
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- -florian
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- -Felix
- 13:01:50 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/02/16-mediaann-minutes.html fsasaki
- 13:01:53 [Zakim]
- -Thierry
- 13:01:54 [Zakim]
- -joakim
- 13:01:54 [Zakim]
- IA_MAWG()7:00AM has ended
- 13:01:56 [Zakim]
- Attendees were tobias, +43.316.876.aaaa, wbailer, Thierry, Felix, +46.1.07.17.aabb, veroniqueM, +049851509aacc, florian, joakim
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