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SVG Working Group Teleconference

11 Feb 2010

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<trackbot> Date: 11 February 2010

<ChrisL> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-ac-members/2010JanMar/0025.html

<scribe> scribe: ed

webfonts

<ChrisL> http://www.w3.org/2009/08/WebFonts/activity-proposal (member onlt)

CL: explains what happened, for the process document
... looking at implementation, there are cmdline tools for woff
... and he coded into firefox
... firefox 3.6 shipped with woff support
... requested fontforge to add woff support
... it's already in their cvs, and works
... there are some python tools for validation
... and it can write @fontface rules for you
... apple hasn't stated a position
... opera has said they will support it
... microsoft was saying they wanted CWT instead
... used to be called EOT-light
... someone had trademark on that

<jwatt> Zakim: +[I is me

<jwatt> Zakim: [IP is me

<jwatt> Zakim: [IPCaller] is me

<jwatt> Zakim: IPCaller is me

CL: we've got two deliverables, the woff spec, and a conformance spec
... you must support css, same origin restriction, will depend on css3 fonts spec
... you need a font and a stylesheet to make it work
... the font group will produce tests
... tell your ac reps to vote on this
... svg 1.1 and 1.2T mandates svg font format
... i'd like svg 2 to mandate woff
... but should it require svgfonts?

DS: i'm torn
... thanks to CL for pulling WOFF together
... i'm torn about svgfonts personally
... making it a must means that it's harder to have ppl hit the svg target
... i'd like to say svg 2.0 is 100% implemented soon

CL: i'd like to see it as a should

DS: svg 1.1 has svgfonts as a must
... all companies that contributed ipr

CL: we can have different conformance classes
... a maximally conforming profile that MUST support svgfonts

ED: see no real benefit of doing full svg 1.1 fonts, but 1.2T svg fonts are useful

DS: maybe we could go one step beyond svgt12 font support, but one step down from svg 1.1 full
... we could say must support svg 2.0 fonts, and you may support e.g full video fonts

CL: we could do alot of tests for svg 1.1 full fonts, and put the spec text in the first draft, then possibly drop parts if they're not implemented

ED: JW how about those SVG fonts?

JW: ask again after SMIL is implemented :)
... plan sounds good to me

DS: hope the market will move quicker to the open format

<ChrisL> http://www.aip.org/stixfonts/

CL: bunch of fonts for doing maths
... you download those fonts, and then you can view mathml
... having it as a webfont is good for viewing an occasional equation
... given away freely
... there are two converters to WOFF available
... so it's easy for them to do so,
... XSL is also looking at adding webfonts in XSL2.0
... they'll probably want WOFF format support

DS: do we have to do anything special for WOFF?

CL: it's not going to be inline, like an svgfont, well...maybe as a datauri
... would like to see it in batik

JW: made a woff demo for ff3.6

<jwatt> http://jwatt.org/svg-open/2009/demos/font-face/web-fonts-in-html-and-svg.xhtml

JW: the last one in the dropdown is a woff font

markerPaint

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-svg/2010Feb/0023.html

ED: summary: want to inherit styling into the marker element

CL: could be done with vector effects

DS: we could have this as a canned effect

CL: right, like we do with non-scaling-stroke
... and as for canned filter effects

DS: we should keep the usecase in mind when we design svg 2.0

ED: i raised a few concerns about the proposal there

css scientific notation

CL: majority was in agreement
... pro the scientific notation
... it's a change in grammar
... it's a flex grammar, which does do scientific notation, but css is using a custom variant doing only numbers
... css21 doesn't allow it
... but the style attribute spec... [lost some bits here]
... got an action to write a summary
... and a request to have more svg ppl in the discussion
... all implementers argued the same position
... this is a first bit of svg/css harmonization
... will keep you informed

FX taskforce

<shepazu> http://www.w3.org/2010/fx/effects-task-force.html

DS: anthony gave some feedback
... don't know how I missed filters, thanks for pointing it out ED

CL: encoding is bad, use utf8
... otherwise looks good to me

DS: suggest making the few changes, propose a first telcon next thursday to discuss the charter
... and we should get sylvain galinau (sp?) involved

widgets

DS: we're rechartering the webapps wg
... what's interesting about widgets is that you can have svg only content if you want
... have made that before, for opera
... joined widgets telcon today, an interesting thing came out, talked about serverside widgets
... you reference it using a object tag, it's just a packaged up materials
... selfcontained
... i've talked to several ppl that wanted to do this with svg's
... emphasis is this what flash does
... they want to package up everything, helps the workflow
... another way svg can be referenced
... it's yet another way svg can get used
... asked for allowing the manifest to point to a css file, and have it apply to any other file

<shepazu> [1] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2010JanMar/0573.html

<shepazu> [2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2010JanMar/0569.html

DS: makes it possible to separate style and content (the link that ties them)

CL: in XSL it's even worse than CSS
... also means you can restyle someone elses content

ED: sounds similar to the html5 seamless thing
... on iframe elements

gradients

ED: that new wording is going into SVG 1.1 second edition, right?

AG: the changes are fairly small

DS: yes, it's svg 1.1 stuff, clarification
... does it apply to SVGT12?

AG: yes

DS: we should have an errata for 1.2T too then

CL: the grammar for scientific notation in SVG 1.1 and 1.2T is wrong, all implementations ignore that and do the right thing

ED: let's review the new wording once it's put in place in 1.1 second edition

<scribe> ACTION: add new wording for clarifying userspaceonuse gradients to SVG 1.1 second edition, and add a corresponding errata item for SVG Tiny 1.2 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/02/11-svg-minutes.html#action01]

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<scribe> ACTION: AG to add new wording for clarifying userspaceonuse gradients to SVG 1.1 second edition, and add a corresponding errata item for SVG Tiny 1.2 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/02/11-svg-minutes.html#action02]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-2728 - Add new wording for clarifying userspaceonuse gradients to SVG 1.1 second edition, and add a corresponding errata item for SVG Tiny 1.2 [on Anthony Grasso - due 2010-02-18].

<scribe> ACTION: ed to email www-style to announce the FX taskforce telcon / charter discussion [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/02/11-svg-minutes.html#action03]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-2729 - Email www-style to announce the FX taskforce telcon / charter discussion [on Erik Dahlström - due 2010-02-18].

<scribe> ACTION: CL to fix the broken grammar for scientific notation in SVG 1.1 and 1.2T [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/02/11-svg-minutes.html#action04]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-2730 - Fix the broken grammar for scientific notation in SVG 1.1 and 1.2T [on Chris Lilley - due 2010-02-18].

Summary of Action Items

[NEW] ACTION: add new wording for clarifying userspaceonuse gradients to SVG 1.1 second edition, and add a corresponding errata item for SVG Tiny 1.2 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/02/11-svg-minutes.html#action01]
[NEW] ACTION: AG to add new wording for clarifying userspaceonuse gradients to SVG 1.1 second edition, and add a corresponding errata item for SVG Tiny 1.2 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/02/11-svg-minutes.html#action02]
[NEW] ACTION: CL to fix the broken grammar for scientific notation in SVG 1.1 and 1.2T [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/02/11-svg-minutes.html#action04]
[NEW] ACTION: ed to email www-style to announce the FX taskforce telcon / charter discussion [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/02/11-svg-minutes.html#action03]
 
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