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Paolo: Structuring a reference remains to be done (extracting and modeling in RDF)

Tudor: I'm working on that

Paolo: If I encounter a reference to another article, I should be able to attach that reference.

Matthias: What do you mean a more 'document-centric' representation?

Paolo: We don't yet refer to the article and the chunk of text where the claim is coming from.
... We want the annotator to be able to attach other references to the article.

Anita: How do you encode that?

Paolo: We encode it in RDF.
... Example: We can use CSS selectors to point to locations in HTML3

Anita: Back to top of the agenda.
... I think that a few models were uploaded. Tudor uploaded ABCDE.

http://esw.w3.org/topic/HCLSIG/SWANSIOC/Actions/RhetoricalStructure/models/medium

Paolo: We could have 'core' sentences in the ABCDE model so I am fine with this.
... We can label a sentence as 'scientific discourse' (discourse element) according to the model (abstract).
... Usually, the Abstract represents the structure of the article but not all discourse within it.

I am saying that ABCDE can be used to label the different sections according to Abstract type and sentences can be labelled at a finer granularity according to SWAN-SIOC labels. In this way, they can be combined.

Joanne: Is the intent to capture the discourse within the paper as well as the literature?

Anita: Yes.

Joanne: Has this been done manually with a paper to create a gold standard?

Anita: We haven't decided yet on the final structure so it's all manual at the moment.

Tudor: We have all done this by hand with ABCDE, SWAN, and SALT.

Anita: Would it be possible for Paolo and Tudor to upload an example marked up document?

Tudor: Yes.

Paolo: You can already browse it in SWAN.

Anita: It would be easier if you upload a single example.

Paolo: Just having the triples, you might find yourself going back to SWAN to look at it through the interface.
... I can give you the link to one document in the SWAN browser, as well as the triples.

Anita: Back to your question Joanne: We are looking at various ways of modeling the structure of documents. We have started with ABCDE because it is the simplest.

<jodi> (it was Joanne, not me)

<jluciano> Yes, Joanne

<jluciano> Anita said Jodi

<jodi> (or a retrieval function)

<jodi> http://esw.w3.org/topic/HCLSIG/SWANSIOC/Actions/RhetoricalStructure/models/medium

Anita: 'Medium' is the structure that I made while I was writing my PhD. In this model, references are within the document. The Abstract could be a table of contents. The idea is that it should be very easy to access different components of a document.
... Do you think that this model would be useful?

Tudor: It handles references better than ABCDE. Some terminology could be improved.
... i.e. made more general.

<group cogitation ensues..>

Tudor: Maybe we could take Background and split into Context and Motivation as an experiment.

Anita: Maybe you could create a comparison grid.

Paolo: We could consult with the SWAN curators (biologists that are reading the papers).

Jack: Work at KMI with climate change articles, could try out the models on those articles
... Working on federation of structured discourse, centered around IBIS

Anita: Your input would be welcome.

Scott: Do you mean aggregation of information from disparate discourse sources, such as discussion forums, blogs, articles, etc. (ala SWAN-SIOC)?

Jack: Yes, automatically without human curation

Anita: Jack, could you send us something about your work?

Jack: Yes, I can send pdf to individuals (it's a tech report). I'm also working on a platform for a Global Climate change portal in Korea (?), which is the deliverable of my PhD work.

<scribe> ACTION: Tudor and Paolo upload a single document example [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/01/29-hcls-minutes.html#action01]

<scribe> ACTION: Paolo to consult with curators about models. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/01/29-hcls-minutes.html#action02]

<scribe> ACTION: Tudor to try applying the medium model to a document. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/01/29-hcls-minutes.html#action03]

<scribe> ACTION: Jack to try models on global climate change discourse [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/01/29-hcls-minutes.html#action04]

Anita: I spoke with Paul Groth recently (Concept Web Alliance), where people are working on a model for 'nanopublications'.
... Significant overlap with our material.

<matthias_samwald> (need to leave now, bye)

<jluciano> http://www.iscb.org/cshals2010-program

<daveruss> (sorry, if I was just talking over the call and then had to hang up. I had to leave because I didn't have a key to lock up and my colleague was leaving)

<jodi> gotta go

<jluciano> Please spread the word about the Conference on Semantics in Health Care and Life Science http://www.iscb.org/cms_addon/conferences/cshals2010/cshals2010-flyer.pdf

Joanne: C-SHALS conference in Boston on Feb. 24 - 26, lot's of people from HCLS will be there.

<jluciano> http://www.iscb.org/cshals2010-home

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