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16:06:03 <mscottm> Zakim, who is here?
16:06:03 <Zakim> apparently SW_HCLS()11:00AM has ended, mscottm
16:06:05 <Zakim> On IRC I see jluciano, david_newman, RRSAgent, mscottm, paolociccarese, matthias_samwald, egonw, Zakim, Cloud, ericP
16:07:13 <mscottm> Zakim, this is hcls
16:07:13 <Zakim> ok, mscottm; that matches SW_HCLS(Disc)11:00AM
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16:07:20 <mscottm> Zakim, who is here?
16:07:20 <Zakim> On the phone I see +03539149aabb, +62036aacc, ??P15, Betty, +1.650.209.aadd, Felix, +1.617.947.aaee (muted), mscottm, +1.617.993.aaff
16:07:23 <Zakim> On IRC I see jluciano, david_newman, RRSAgent, mscottm, paolociccarese, matthias_samwald, egonw, Zakim, Cloud, ericP
16:08:17 <mscottm> Zakim, +1.617.993.aaff is jluciano
16:08:20 <Zakim> +jluciano; got it
16:09:05 <mscottm> scribenick: mscottm
16:10:39 <mscottm> Paolo: Structuring a reference remains to be done (extracting and modeling in RDF)
16:11:02 <mscottm> Tudor: I'm working on that
16:13:00 <mscottm> Paolo: If I encounter a reference to another article, I should be able to attach that reference.
16:13:28 <mscottm> Matthias: What do you mean a more 'document-centric' representation?
16:14:07 <mscottm> Paolo: We don't yet refer to the article and the chunk of text where the claim is coming from.
16:14:44 <mscottm> ..We want the annotator to be able to attach other references to the article.
16:14:53 <mscottm> Anita: How do you encode that?
16:15:03 <mscottm> Paolo: We encode it in RDF.
16:15:52 <mscottm> Zakim, mute me.
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16:16:59 <mscottm> Paolo: Example: We can use CSS selectors to point to locations in HTML3
16:17:38 <Zakim> + +1.856.528.aagg
16:18:18 <mscottm> Anita: Back to top of the agenda.
16:18:39 <mscottm> ..I think that a few models were uploaded. Tudor uploaded ABCDE.
16:18:52 <mscottm> q+
16:19:58 <mscottm> http://esw.w3.org/topic/HCLSIG/SWANSIOC/Actions/RhetoricalStructure/models/medium
16:20:09 <mscottm> q-
16:20:45 <mscottm> Paolo: We could have 'core' sentences in the ABCDE model so I am fine with this.
16:21:26 <mscottm> Zakim, unmute me
16:21:26 <Zakim> mscottm should no longer be muted
16:22:50 <mscottm> ..We can label a sentence as 'scientific discourse' (discourse element) according to the model (abstract).
16:24:37 <mscottm> ..Usually, the Abstract represents the structure of the article but not all discourse within it.
16:26:25 <mscottm> I am saying that ABCDE can be used to label the different sections according to Abstract type and sentences can be labelled at a finer granularity according to SWAN-SIOC labels. In this way, they can be combined.
16:27:24 <mscottm> Joanne: Is the intent to capture the discourse within the paper as well as the literature?
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16:28:21 <mscottm> Anita: Yes.
16:29:25 <mscottm> Joanne: Has this been done manually with a paper to create a gold standard?
16:29:47 <mscottm> Anita: We haven't decided yet on the final structure so it's all manual at the moment.
16:30:54 <mscottm> Tudor: We have all done this by hand with ABCDE, SWAN, and SALT.
16:31:45 <mscottm> Anita: Would it be possible for Paolo and Tudor to upload an example document?
16:32:01 <mscottm> s/document/marked up document/
16:32:22 <mscottm> Paolo: Yes.
16:32:55 <mscottm> s/Paolo/Tudor/
16:34:00 <mscottm> Paolo: You can already browse it in SWAN.
16:34:30 <mscottm> Anita: It would be easier if you upload a single example.
16:36:22 <mscottm> Paolo: Just having the triples, you might find yourself going back to SWAN to look at it through the interface.
16:37:22 <mscottm> ..I can give you the link to one document in the SWAN browser, as well as the triples.
16:38:27 <mscottm> Anita: Back to your question Jodi: We are looking at various ways of modeling the structure of documents. We have started with ABCDE because it is the simplest.
16:38:37 <jodi> (it was Joanne, not me)
16:38:46 <jluciano> Yes, Joanne
16:38:54 <mscottm> s/Jodi/Joanne/
16:38:56 <jluciano> Anita said Jodi
16:39:39 <jodi> (or a retrieval function)
16:40:11 <jodi> http://esw.w3.org/topic/HCLSIG/SWANSIOC/Actions/RhetoricalStructure/models/medium
16:43:33 <mscottm> Anita: 'Medium' is the structure that I made while I was writing my PhD. In this model, references are within the document. The Abstract could be a table of contents. The idea is that it should be very easy to access different components of a document.
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16:44:08 <mscottm> ..Do you think that this model would be useful?
16:45:37 <mscottm> Tudor: It handles references better than ABCDE. Some terminology could be improved.
16:46:04 <mscottm> ..i.e. made more general.
16:46:22 <mscottm> <group cogitation ensues..>
16:48:14 <mscottm> Tudor: Maybe we could take Background and split into Context and Motivation as an experiment.
16:49:06 <mscottm> Anita: Maybe you could create a comparison grid.
16:49:32 <Zakim> - +1.617.947.aahh
16:50:54 <mscottm> Paolo: We could consult with the SWAN curators (biologists that are reading the papers).
16:57:28 <mscottm> Jack: Work at KMI with climate change articles, could try out the models on those articles 
16:57:49 <mscottm> ..Working on federation of structured discourse, centered around IBIS
16:58:08 <mscottm> Anita: Your input would be welcome.
17:01:21 <mscottm> Scott: Do you mean aggregation of information from disparate discourse sources, such as discussion forums, blogs, articles, etc. (ala SWAN-SIOC)?
17:01:39 <mscottm> Jack: Yes, automatically without human curation
17:01:52 <mscottm> Anita: Jack, could you send us something about your work?
17:04:00 <mscottm> Jack: Yes, I can send pdf to individuals (it's a tech report). I'm also working on a platform for a Global Climate change portal in Korea (?), which is the deliverable of my PhD work.
17:04:49 <mscottm> ACTION: Tudor and Paolo upload a single document example
17:05:11 <mscottm> ACTION: Paolo to consult with curators about models.
17:05:24 <Zakim> -Betty
17:05:40 <mscottm> ACTION: Tudor to try applying the medium model to a document.
17:07:34 <mscottm> ACTION: Jack to try models on global climate change discourse
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17:08:27 <mscottm> Anita: I spoke with Paul Groth recently (Concept Web Alliance), where people are working on a model for 'nanopublications'.
17:08:44 <mscottm> ..Significant overlap with our material.
17:08:53 <matthias_samwald> (need to leave now, bye)
17:08:57 <jluciano> http://www.iscb.org/cshals2010-program
17:08:59 <Zakim> -Felix
17:09:13 <daveruss> (sorry, if I was just talking over the call and then had to hang up.  I had to leave because I didn't have a key to lock up and my colleague was leaving)
17:10:04 <jodi> gotta go
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17:10:29 <jluciano> Please spread the word about the Conference on Semantics in Health Care and Life Science http://www.iscb.org/cms_addon/conferences/cshals2010/cshals2010-flyer.pdf
17:10:36 <mscottm> Joanne: C-SHALS conference in Boston on Feb. 24 - 26, lot's of people from HCLS will be there.
17:10:49 <jluciano> http://www.iscb.org/cshals2010-home
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17:11:43 <mscottm>   RRSAgent, please draft minutes
17:11:43 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/01/29-hcls-minutes.html mscottm
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