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13:56:24 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 77277
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13:56:24 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM scheduled to start in 4 minutes
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13:56:25 <trackbot> Meeting: SPARQL Working Group Teleconference
13:56:25 <trackbot> Date: 03 July 2012
13:56:25 <AxelPolleres> agenda: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Agenda-2012-07-03
13:58:57 <Zakim> SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM has now started
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13:59:04 <Zakim> +AxelPolleres
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13:59:34 <Zakim> +??P11
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13:59:47 <cbuilara> zakim, ?P11 is me
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13:59:47 <Zakim> sorry, cbuilara, I do not recognize a party named '?P11'
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13:59:51 <Zakim> +kasei
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14:00:22 <cbuilara> zakim, ??P11 is me
Carlos Buil Aranda: zakim, ??P11 is me ←
14:00:22 <Zakim> +cbuilara; got it
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14:00:46 <Zakim> +??P15
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14:00:51 <AndyS> zakim, ??P15 is me
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14:00:51 <Zakim> +AndyS; got it
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14:01:36 <Zakim> +MattPerry
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14:02:03 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, who is on the phone?
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14:02:03 <Zakim> On the phone I see AxelPolleres, cbuilara, kasei, AndyS, MattPerry
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14:02:16 <Zakim> +??P21
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14:02:24 <bglimm> Zakim, ??P21 is me
Birte Glimm: Zakim, ??P21 is me ←
14:02:24 <Zakim> +bglimm; got it
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14:03:13 <Zakim> +Sandro
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14:03:17 <Zakim> +pgearon
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14:03:39 <AxelPolleres> scribe: Andy
(Scribe set to Andy Seaborne)
14:03:47 <AndyS> scribenick: AndyS
14:03:57 <AndyS> Topic: Admin
14:04:13 <AxelPolleres> PROPOSED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2012-06-26
PROPOSED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2012-06-26 ←
14:04:14 <chimezie> Zakim, passcode?
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14:04:14 <Zakim> the conference code is 77277 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), chimezie
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14:04:36 <AxelPolleres> RESOLVED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2012-06-26
RESOLVED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2012-06-26 ←
14:04:48 <AxelPolleres> Next regular meeting: 2012-07-10 @ 15:00 UK / 10:00 EST
Axel Polleres: Next regular meeting: 2012-07-10 @ 15:00 UK / 10:00 EST ←
14:04:59 <cbuilara> yep
Carlos Buil Aranda: yep ←
14:05:04 <cbuilara> I can do it
Carlos Buil Aranda: I can do it ←
14:05:06 <Zakim> -Sandro
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14:05:15 <AxelPolleres> scribe next week, carlos.
Axel Polleres: scribe next week, carlos. ←
14:05:33 <Zakim> +Chimezie
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14:05:37 <Zakim> +Sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: +Sandro ←
14:05:40 <chimezie> Zakim, mute me
Chimezie Ogbuji: Zakim, mute me ←
14:05:41 <Zakim> Chimezie should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: Chimezie should now be muted ←
14:05:41 <AndyS> AndyS: no news from RDF-WG
Andy Seaborne: no news from RDF-WG ←
14:05:43 <AndyS> topic: Comments
14:05:52 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Comments
Axel Polleres: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Comments ←
14:06:51 <AndyS> Axel: assign unowned comments.
Axel Polleres: assign unowned comments. ←
14:12:05 <chimezie> Zakim, unmute me
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Chimezie Ogbuji: Zakim, unmute me ←
14:12:05 <Zakim> Chimezie should no longer be muted
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14:12:41 <AndyS> chimezie: we no longer say "REST" - maybe this will help.
Chimezie Ogbuji: we no longer say "REST" - maybe this will help. ←
14:12:59 <chimezie> This is the latest response (May 8): http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2012May/0009.html
Chimezie Ogbuji: This is the latest response (May 8): http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2012May/0009.html ←
14:13:12 <AndyS> axel: sandro - please advance this comment
Axel Polleres: sandro - please advance this comment ←
14:13:14 <chimezie> Zakim, mute me
Chimezie Ogbuji: Zakim, mute me ←
14:13:14 <Zakim> Chimezie should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: Chimezie should now be muted ←
14:14:51 <AndyS> andy: waiting on syntax / prefix to fix in Turtle; then 3 on BINDING/VALUES
Andy Seaborne: waiting on syntax / prefix to fix in Turtle; then 3 on BINDING/VALUES ←
14:15:10 <AndyS> ... WG needs to accept VALUS changes
... WG needs to accept VALUS changes ←
14:15:15 <AndyS> ... WG needs to accept VALUES changes
... WG needs to accept VALUES changes ←
14:15:32 <AxelPolleres> carlos' draft http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/CommentResponse:PW1
Axel Polleres: carlos' draft http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/CommentResponse:PW1 ←
14:17:03 <AndyS> greg: want changes to docs to reflect the possibility of using query string in service URL.
Gregory Williams: want changes to docs to reflect the possibility of using query string in service URL. ←
14:18:21 <AndyS> carlos: can point to SPARQL protocol for this.
Carlos Buil Aranda: can point to SPARQL protocol for this. ←
14:18:26 <AndyS> q+
q+ ←
14:18:45 <AndyS> ... or add a bit to federated query doc.
... or add a bit to federated query doc. ←
14:19:00 <AndyS> axel: informal -> no a LC
Axel Polleres: informal -> no a LC ←
14:19:48 <AndyS> ack me
ack me ←
14:20:43 <AxelPolleres> Andy: focus of Federated query is to send query to the data, and not to specify a remote dataset.
Andy Seaborne: focus of Federated query is to send query to the data, and not to specify a remote dataset. [ Scribe Assist by Axel Polleres ] ←
14:22:28 <AndyS> Greg: don't totally agree but will not hold things up.
Gregory Williams: don't totally agree but will not hold things up. ←
14:23:06 <AndyS> Greg: DB-28 response ready
Gregory Williams: DB-28 response ready ←
14:23:07 <AxelPolleres> DB-28 response, anybody had a chance to look at that one?
Axel Polleres: DB-28 response, anybody had a chance to look at that one? ←
14:25:57 <AndyS> Greg: can reword the bit around FETCH if wanted.
Gregory Williams: can reword the bit around FETCH if wanted. ←
14:26:19 <pgearon> +q
Paul Gearon: +q ←
14:27:32 <AndyS> Paul: update can bring data in.
Paul Gearon: update can bring data in. ←
14:28:28 <AndyS> ... FETCH in query could be LOAD in update.
... FETCH in query could be LOAD in update. ←
14:29:06 <AndyS> Greg: DB implies now no system should dereference on FROM.
Gregory Williams: DB implies now no system should dereference on FROM. ←
14:29:22 <pgearon> I agree with greg, I was using this as a counter argument to the keyword "fetch"
Paul Gearon: I agree with greg, I was using this as a counter argument to the keyword "fetch" ←
14:29:49 <AndyS> ... issue is still that update implies more power then query
... issue is still that update implies more power then query ←
14:30:18 <AndyS> (scribe thinks this sounds like temporary datasets)
(scribe thinks this sounds like temporary datasets) ←
14:31:04 <pgearon> I probably tend to think of UPDATE being more available than it is, since I always have access to it. Perhaps my point is ill considered
Paul Gearon: I probably tend to think of UPDATE being more available than it is, since I always have access to it. Perhaps my point is ill considered ←
14:31:10 <AxelPolleres> send it with ""could be viewed as"
Axel Polleres: send it with ""could be viewed as" ←
14:31:43 <AndyS> topic: Progress on Documents
14:32:04 <AndyS> query status: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2012JulSep/0005.html
query status: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2012JulSep/0005.html ←
14:32:44 <AxelPolleres> Andy?
Axel Polleres: Andy? ←
14:33:01 <AxelPolleres> Steve?
Axel Polleres: Steve? ←
14:34:13 <kasei> q+
Gregory Williams: q+ ←
14:34:37 <AxelPolleres> andy: missing parts: min max, what is min on empty set, no nested aggregates, with that it'd be ready to go?
Andy Seaborne: missing parts: min max, what is min on empty set, no nested aggregates, with that it'd be ready to go? [ Scribe Assist by Axel Polleres ] ←
14:34:58 <AxelPolleres> Greg: would be good to have a test case in the test suite on that.
Gregory Williams: would be good to have a test case in the test suite on that. [ Scribe Assist by Axel Polleres ] ←
14:35:54 <pgearon> q-
Paul Gearon: q- ←
14:36:29 <AndyS> See http://answers.semanticweb.com/questions/17410/semantics-of-sparql-aggregates
See http://answers.semanticweb.com/questions/17410/semantics-of-sparql-aggregates ←
14:37:27 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: greg to check back whether there's a test case for MIN empty set, in case add the query from http://answers.semanticweb.com/questions/17410/semantics-of-sparql-aggregates
ACTION: greg to check back whether there's a test case for MIN empty set, in case add the query from http://answers.semanticweb.com/questions/17410/semantics-of-sparql-aggregates ←
14:37:27 <trackbot> Created ACTION-654 - Check back whether there's a test case for MIN empty set, in case add the query from http://answers.semanticweb.com/questions/17410/semantics-of-sparql-aggregates [on Gregory Williams - due 2012-07-10].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-654 - Check back whether there's a test case for MIN empty set, in case add the query from http://answers.semanticweb.com/questions/17410/semantics-of-sparql-aggregates [on Gregory Williams - due 2012-07-10]. ←
14:37:34 <AndyS> ack kasei
ack kasei ←
14:38:12 <AndyS> zakim, who is on the phone?
zakim, who is on the phone? ←
14:38:12 <Zakim> On the phone I see AxelPolleres, cbuilara, kasei, AndyS, MattPerry, bglimm, pgearon, Chimezie (muted), Sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see AxelPolleres, cbuilara, kasei, AndyS, MattPerry, bglimm, pgearon, Chimezie (muted), Sandro ←
14:38:19 <AndyS> axel: I'll ping steve
Axel Polleres: I'll ping steve ←
14:38:27 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: axel to pinfg steve on critical path items for Query
ACTION: axel to pinfg steve on critical path items for Query ←
14:38:27 <trackbot> Created ACTION-655 - Pinfg steve on critical path items for Query [on Axel Polleres - due 2012-07-10].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-655 - Pinfg steve on critical path items for Query [on Axel Polleres - due 2012-07-10]. ←
14:38:53 <AxelPolleres> topic: update
14:39:08 <AndyS> Reviews due -- carlos, olivier
Reviews due -- carlos, olivier ←
14:39:13 <AndyS> Carlos: this week.
Carlos Buil Aranda: this week. ←
14:39:26 <pgearon> Olivier has already submitted a review
Paul Gearon: Olivier has already submitted a review ←
14:40:35 <AndyS> axel: bNodes across graphs
Axel Polleres: bNodes across graphs ←
14:40:48 <AndyS> greg: we added a test
Gregory Williams: we added a test ←
14:42:53 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: axel to look into www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/data-sparql11/basic-update/insert-05a.ru and react to greg's suggestion on email
ACTION: axel to look into www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/data-sparql11/basic-update/insert-05a.ru and react to greg's suggestion on email ←
14:42:53 <trackbot> Created ACTION-656 - Look into www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/data-sparql11/basic-update/insert-05a.ru and react to greg's suggestion on email [on Axel Polleres - due 2012-07-10].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-656 - Look into www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/data-sparql11/basic-update/insert-05a.ru and react to greg's suggestion on email [on Axel Polleres - due 2012-07-10]. ←
14:43:17 <AndyS> axel: Paul - anything on your side?
Axel Polleres: Paul - anything on your side? ←
14:43:37 <pgearon> I haven't had a chance to merge in Olivier's comments, but can do this today
Paul Gearon: I haven't had a chance to merge in Olivier's comments, but can do this today ←
14:43:43 <AndyS> protocol - no reviews needed
protocol - no reviews needed ←
14:43:50 <AndyS> service description - no reviews needed
service description - no reviews needed ←
14:44:01 <AndyS> GSP - no reviews needed
GSP - no reviews needed ←
14:44:23 <AndyS> entailment - nothing needed
entailment - nothing needed ←
14:44:37 <AndyS> json results - nothing needed
json results - nothing needed ←
14:44:49 <AndyS> csv/tsv results - nothing needed
csv/tsv results - nothing needed ←
14:45:37 <AndyS> overview -- change made to s/REST//g
overview -- change made to s/REST//g ←
14:45:54 <AxelPolleres> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2012AprJun/0222.html
Axel Polleres: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2012AprJun/0222.html ←
14:46:03 <AxelPolleres> any approval?
Axel Polleres: any approval? ←
14:46:25 <AndyS> ... Full review not needed
... Full review not needed ←
14:47:21 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: sandro to approve rewording as per http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2012AprJun/0222.html
ACTION: sandro to approve rewording as per http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2012AprJun/0222.html ←
14:47:21 <trackbot> Created ACTION-657 - Approve rewording as per http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2012AprJun/0222.html [on Sandro Hawke - due 2012-07-10].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-657 - Approve rewording as per http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2012AprJun/0222.html [on Sandro Hawke - due 2012-07-10]. ←
14:48:01 <AxelPolleres> close ACTION-657
Axel Polleres: close ACTION-657 ←
14:48:01 <trackbot> ACTION-657 Approve rewording as per http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2012AprJun/0222.html closed
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-657 Approve rewording as per http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2012AprJun/0222.html closed ←
14:48:07 <Zakim> -pgearon
Zakim IRC Bot: -pgearon ←
14:48:09 <AxelPolleres> Sandro: approved
Sandro Hawke: approved [ Scribe Assist by Axel Polleres ] ←
14:49:33 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: clean up to_pr page to mark finished docs
ACTION: clean up to_pr page to mark finished docs ←
14:49:33 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - clean
Trackbot IRC Bot: Sorry, couldn't find user - clean ←
14:49:55 <AxelPolleres> ACTION axel to clean up to_pr page to mark finished docs
Axel Polleres: ACTION axel to clean up to_pr page to mark finished docs ←
14:49:55 <trackbot> Created ACTION-658 - Clean up to_pr page to mark finished docs [on Axel Polleres - due 2012-07-10].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-658 - Clean up to_pr page to mark finished docs [on Axel Polleres - due 2012-07-10]. ←
14:50:07 <AndyS> topic: Action review
14:51:14 <kasei> ACTIONS 638 and 653 can be closed for me
Gregory Williams: ACTIONS 638 and 653 can be closed for me ←
14:51:23 <pgearon> apologies… I was kicked off, and now the system won't let me connect in again (tells me the passcode is not valid)
Paul Gearon: apologies… I was kicked off, and now the system won't let me connect in again (tells me the passcode is not valid) ←
14:51:23 <AxelPolleres> friendly reminder on ACTION-389
Axel Polleres: friendly reminder on ACTION-389 ←
14:51:25 <AndyS> ACTION-389 - namespace page - sandro acks.
ACTION-389 - namespace page - sandro acks. ←
14:51:52 <AxelPolleres> close ACTION-638
Axel Polleres: close ACTION-638 ←
14:51:52 <trackbot> ACTION-638 Informally reply on http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2012Jun/0002.html pointing to SD and asking whether formal response is needed. closed
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-638 Informally reply on http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2012Jun/0002.html pointing to SD and asking whether formal response is needed. closed ←
14:52:16 <AxelPolleres> close ACTION-653
Axel Polleres: close ACTION-653 ←
14:52:16 <trackbot> ACTION-653 Draft a reply on DBooth comment on dataset construction closed
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-653 Draft a reply on DBooth comment on dataset construction closed ←
14:56:13 <sandro> bad dtmf pgearon ?
Sandro Hawke: bad dtmf pgearon ? ←
14:57:28 <AxelPolleres> sandro: we should skip CR where we can.
Sandro Hawke: we should skip CR where we can. [ Scribe Assist by Axel Polleres ] ←
14:59:38 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, pick a victim?
Axel Polleres: Zakim, pick a victim? ←
14:59:38 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, AxelPolleres.
Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand your question, AxelPolleres. ←
14:59:45 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, pick a victim
Axel Polleres: Zakim, pick a victim ←
14:59:45 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose bglimm
Zakim IRC Bot: Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose bglimm ←
15:00:45 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: bglim to review query with particular focus on BIND / VALUES
ACTION: bglim to review query with particular focus on BIND / VALUES ←
15:00:45 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - bglim
Trackbot IRC Bot: Sorry, couldn't find user - bglim ←
15:00:50 <AndyS> It's one (short) section -- http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/query-1.1/rq25.xml#assignment (and formal if you want - http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/query-1.1/rq25.xml#sparqlTranslateBindAssignments)
It's one (short) section -- http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/query-1.1/rq25.xml#assignment (and formal if you want - http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/query-1.1/rq25.xml#sparqlTranslateBindAssignments) ←
15:01:14 <Zakim> -Chimezie
Zakim IRC Bot: -Chimezie ←
15:01:15 <bglimm> bye
Birte Glimm: bye ←
15:01:16 <MattPerry> bye
Matthew Perry: bye ←
15:01:16 <AndyS> ACTION: bglimm to review query with particular focus on BIND / VALUES
ACTION: bglimm to review query with particular focus on BIND / VALUES ←
15:01:16 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - bglimm
Trackbot IRC Bot: Sorry, couldn't find user - bglimm ←
15:01:20 <Zakim> -cbuilara
Zakim IRC Bot: -cbuilara ←
15:01:24 <Zakim> -bglimm
Zakim IRC Bot: -bglimm ←
15:01:32 <Zakim> -MattPerry
Zakim IRC Bot: -MattPerry ←
15:01:32 <AndyS> adjourned
adjourned ←
15:01:34 <Zakim> -kasei
Zakim IRC Bot: -kasei ←
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