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14:58:13 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 77277
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14:58:14 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM scheduled to start in 2 minutes
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14:58:14 <trackbot> Meeting: SPARQL Working Group Teleconference
14:58:14 <trackbot> Date: 25 January 2011
14:58:17 <LeeF> zakim, this will be SPARQL
Lee Feigenbaum: zakim, this will be SPARQL ←
14:58:18 <Zakim> ok, LeeF, I see SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM already started
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, LeeF, I see SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM already started ←
14:58:19 <LeeF> Chair: LeeF
14:58:21 <LeeF> Scribe: sandro
(Scribe set to Sandro Hawke)
14:58:24 <LeeF> Scribenick: sandro
14:58:30 <LeeF> Agenda: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Agenda-2011-01-25
14:58:32 <LeeF> Regrets: Chimezie
14:58:33 <SteveH> Zakim, who's on the phone?
Steve Harris: Zakim, who's on the phone? ←
14:58:40 <Zakim> On the phone I see pgearon, +44.208.439.aaaa
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see pgearon, +44.208.439.aaaa ←
14:58:51 <SteveH> Zakim, aaaa is [Garlik]
Steve Harris: Zakim, aaaa is [Garlik] ←
14:58:56 <Zakim> +[Garlik]; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +[Garlik]; got it ←
14:58:58 <Zakim> + +1.617.553.aabb
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.617.553.aabb ←
14:59:00 <Zakim> +??P11
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P11 ←
14:59:03 <LeeF> zakim, aabb is me
Lee Feigenbaum: zakim, aabb is me ←
14:59:04 <SteveH> Zakim, [Garlik] is temporarily me
Steve Harris: Zakim, [Garlik] is temporarily me ←
14:59:07 <AndyS> zakim, ??P11 is me
Andy Seaborne: zakim, ??P11 is me ←
14:59:16 <Zakim> +LeeF; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +LeeF; got it ←
14:59:20 <Zakim> +SteveH; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +SteveH; got it ←
14:59:22 <Zakim> +AndyS; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +AndyS; got it ←
14:59:28 <Zakim> + +33.4.92.38.aacc
Zakim IRC Bot: + +33.4.92.38.aacc ←
14:59:36 <AndyS> zakim, who is speaking?
Andy Seaborne: zakim, who is speaking? ←
14:59:47 <ocorby> zakim, aacc is me
Olivier Corby: zakim, aacc is me ←
14:59:50 <Zakim> +AxelPolleres
Zakim IRC Bot: +AxelPolleres ←
14:59:54 <Zakim> +ocorby; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +ocorby; got it ←
14:59:56 <Zakim> AndyS, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: LeeF (73%), AxelPolleres (4%)
Zakim IRC Bot: AndyS, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: LeeF (73%), AxelPolleres (4%) ←
14:59:58 <Zakim> + +1.603.897.aadd
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15:00:03 <Zakim> +kasei
Zakim IRC Bot: +kasei ←
15:00:06 <MattPerry> zakim, aadd is me
Matthew Perry: zakim, aadd is me ←
15:00:06 <Zakim> +MattPerry; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +MattPerry; got it ←
15:00:09 <Zakim> +sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: +sandro ←
15:00:22 <Zakim> +??P19
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P19 ←
15:00:33 <Zakim> +??P21
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P21 ←
15:00:33 <NickH> zakim, ??P19 is me
Nicholas Humfrey: zakim, ??P19 is me ←
15:00:35 <Zakim> +NickH; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +NickH; got it ←
15:00:47 <cbuilara> zakim, ??P21 is me
Carlos Buil Aranda: zakim, ??P21 is me ←
15:00:47 <Zakim> +cbuilara; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +cbuilara; got it ←
15:00:54 <LeeF> zakim, who's on the phone?
Lee Feigenbaum: zakim, who's on the phone? ←
15:00:54 <Zakim> On the phone I see pgearon, SteveH, LeeF, AndyS, ocorby, AxelPolleres, MattPerry, kasei, sandro, NickH, cbuilara
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see pgearon, SteveH, LeeF, AndyS, ocorby, AxelPolleres, MattPerry, kasei, sandro, NickH, cbuilara ←
15:01:16 <bglimm> Zakim, passcode?
Birte Glimm: Zakim, passcode? ←
15:01:16 <Zakim> the conference code is 77277 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.26.46.79.03 tel:+44.203.318.0479), bglimm
Zakim IRC Bot: the conference code is 77277 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.26.46.79.03 tel:+44.203.318.0479), bglimm ←
15:01:20 <sandro> scribe: sandro
15:01:31 <LeeF> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Agenda-2011-01-25
Lee Feigenbaum: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Agenda-2011-01-25 ←
15:01:36 <LeeF> topic: Admin
15:01:41 <LeeF> PROPOSED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2011-01-18
PROPOSED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2011-01-18 ←
15:02:17 <sandro> LeeF: main thing last week was what to do with Bindings spec
Lee Feigenbaum: main thing last week was what to do with Bindings spec ←
15:02:20 <AndyS> seconded
Andy Seaborne: seconded ←
15:02:27 <LeeF> RESOLVED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2011-01-18
RESOLVED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2011-01-18 ←
15:02:31 <sandro> bglimm, keep trying.
bglimm, keep trying. ←
15:02:36 <LeeF> Next regular meeting: 2011-02-01 @ 15:00 UK / 10:00 EST (scribe: Greg)
Lee Feigenbaum: Next regular meeting: 2011-02-01 @ 15:00 UK / 10:00 EST (scribe: Greg) ←
15:02:59 <sandro> bglimm, different countries wont help with this problem.
bglimm, different countries wont help with this problem. ←
15:03:35 <sandro> LeeF: Chime is switching jobs, and wont be able to make telecons, but will still be active in WG via email.
Lee Feigenbaum: Chime is switching jobs, and wont be able to make telecons, but will still be active in WG via email. ←
15:03:36 <Zakim> + +44.186.528.aaee
Zakim IRC Bot: + +44.186.528.aaee ←
15:03:44 <bglimm> Zakim, +44.186.528.a is me
Birte Glimm: Zakim, +44.186.528.a is me ←
15:03:51 <bglimm> Zakim, mute me
Birte Glimm: Zakim, mute me ←
15:03:51 <Zakim> +bglimm; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +bglimm; got it ←
15:04:08 <Zakim> bglimm should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bglimm should now be muted ←
15:04:23 <sandro> LeeF: I'd like to a regular pattern for telecons of status checks, converging on Last Call. Checking on comments, documments, reviews, etc. That's the agenda today and for the next few weeks.
Lee Feigenbaum: I'd like to a regular pattern for telecons of status checks, converging on Last Call. Checking on comments, documments, reviews, etc. That's the agenda today and for the next few weeks. ←
15:05:07 <LeeF> Regrets: Chimezie, Alex
15:05:42 <AndyS> q+ to suggest we ack comments quickly as it's taking time to deal with them
Andy Seaborne: q+ to suggest we ack comments quickly as it's taking time to deal with them ←
15:06:24 <sandro> Axel: Anyone willing to take HK2
Axel Polleres: Anyone willing to take HK2 ←
15:06:28 <AxelPolleres> HK-2 on update ...
Axel Polleres: HK-2 on update ... ←
15:06:46 <sandro> LeeF: should be an Update editor. Paul?
Lee Feigenbaum: should be an Update editor. Paul? ←
15:06:57 <sandro> Paul: I'll give it a try
Paul Gearon: I'll give it a try ←
15:06:59 <Zakim> -pgearon
Zakim IRC Bot: -pgearon ←
15:07:02 <LeeF> ack AndyS
Lee Feigenbaum: ack AndyS ←
15:07:02 <Zakim> AndyS, you wanted to suggest we ack comments quickly as it's taking time to deal with them
Zakim IRC Bot: AndyS, you wanted to suggest we ack comments quickly as it's taking time to deal with them ←
15:07:08 <pgearon> argh. back in a moment.....
Paul Gearon: argh. back in a moment..... ←
15:07:41 <Zakim> +pgearon
Zakim IRC Bot: +pgearon ←
15:07:46 <sandro> (should I record this as an action? Lee: no, we'll just use the wiki page.)
(should I record this as an action? Lee: no, we'll just use the wiki page.) ←
15:09:16 <sandro> sandro: it's possible to automate the "please wait, we're working on it"
Sandro Hawke: it's possible to automate the "please wait, we're working on it" ←
15:09:25 <sandro> lee: I don't mind confirming them by hand.
Lee Feigenbaum: I don't mind confirming them by hand. ←
15:09:47 <sandro> lee: let's let all outstanding commenters know they haven't been forgotten, and do it for the future within a few days.
Lee Feigenbaum: let's let all outstanding commenters know they haven't been forgotten, and do it for the future within a few days. ←
15:09:51 <sandro> (sounds great)
(sounds great) ←
15:09:58 <LeeF> ACTION: Lee to let commenters with open comments know that they're not forgotten
ACTION: Lee to let commenters with open comments know that they're not forgotten ←
15:09:58 <trackbot> Created ACTION-378 - Let commenters with open comments know that they're not forgotten [on Lee Feigenbaum - due 2011-02-01].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-378 - Let commenters with open comments know that they're not forgotten [on Lee Feigenbaum - due 2011-02-01]. ←
15:12:42 <sandro> AndyS: I could use help responding to comments on json document
Andy Seaborne: I could use help responding to comments on json document ←
15:12:44 <sandro> q+
q+ ←
15:12:51 <LeeF> ack sandro
Lee Feigenbaum: ack sandro ←
15:13:22 <sandro> sandro: did you mean "substantive" in the sense of "big" or "changes to format" ?
Sandro Hawke: did you mean "substantive" in the sense of "big" or "changes to format" ? ←
15:13:35 <pgearon> +q
Paul Gearon: +q ←
15:13:51 <sandro> lee: I don't think the WG was looking for changes to format.
Lee Feigenbaum: I don't think the WG was looking for changes to format. ←
15:14:11 <sandro> lee: same comments as before -- json format is kinda too verbose since it's XML-inspired.
Lee Feigenbaum: same comments as before -- json format is kinda too verbose since it's XML-inspired. ←
15:14:20 <sandro> sandro: ah, okay.
Sandro Hawke: ah, okay. ←
15:14:21 <LeeF> ack pgearon
Lee Feigenbaum: ack pgearon ←
15:14:34 <sandro> lee: not so much "it's broken" as "it would be nice if..."
Lee Feigenbaum: not so much "it's broken" as "it would be nice if..." ←
15:14:51 <sandro> paul: I dont want to see the json format change, but the document is pretty much unacceptable in its current format.
Paul Gearon: I dont want to see the json format change, but the document is pretty much unacceptable in its current format. ←
15:15:10 <sandro> paul: I think Richard (cygri) and I agree on the comments
Paul Gearon: I think Richard (cygri) and I agree on the comments ←
15:15:20 <sandro> lee: it just needs a few hours of wordsmithing.
Lee Feigenbaum: it just needs a few hours of wordsmithing. ←
15:15:48 <sandro> lee: if someone wants to help Andy, that'd be great. query is more urgent, though.
Lee Feigenbaum: if someone wants to help Andy, that'd be great. query is more urgent, though. ←
15:15:55 <AndyS> I'll send "thx for the comments" messages
Andy Seaborne: I'll send "thx for the comments" messages ←
15:16:13 <sandro> axel: one comment on Uniform HTTP protocol
Axel Polleres: one comment on Uniform HTTP protocol ←
15:16:20 <sandro> axel: (http delete)
Axel Polleres: (http delete) ←
15:16:41 <sandro> axel: two things on uniqueness of blank nodes, and not-exists vs minus.
Axel Polleres: two things on uniqueness of blank nodes, and not-exists vs minus. ←
15:16:46 <sandro> axel: I can draft answers.
Axel Polleres: I can draft answers. ←
15:17:08 <sandro> axel: but someone else please handle the HTTP Delete one.
Axel Polleres: but someone else please handle the HTTP Delete one. ←
15:17:16 <sandro> lee: We'll ask Chime to do that one.
Lee Feigenbaum: We'll ask Chime to do that one. ←
15:17:31 <LeeF> ACTION: Lee to ask Chimezie to look at KK-6 and GR-3
ACTION: Lee to ask Chimezie to look at KK-6 and GR-3 ←
15:17:31 <trackbot> Created ACTION-379 - Ask Chimezie to look at KK-6 and GR-3 [on Lee Feigenbaum - due 2011-02-01].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-379 - Ask Chimezie to look at KK-6 and GR-3 [on Lee Feigenbaum - due 2011-02-01]. ←
15:17:46 <LeeF> topic: Last Call Status
15:17:56 <LeeF> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/To_Last_Call
Lee Feigenbaum: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/To_Last_Call ←
15:18:30 <sandro> Lee: Service Description has two reviews, responded to, reaching convergence. In very good shape.
Lee Feigenbaum: Service Description has two reviews, responded to, reaching convergence. In very good shape. ←
15:18:47 <sandro> greg: a few bits waiting on other docs, or responses from people.
Gregory Williams: a few bits waiting on other docs, or responses from people. ←
15:18:49 <bglimm> Zakim, unmute me
Birte Glimm: Zakim, unmute me ←
15:18:49 <Zakim> bglimm should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bglimm should no longer be muted ←
15:19:04 <sandro> LeeF: Entailment, waiting for reviews from folks who agreed to do it.
Lee Feigenbaum: Entailment, waiting for reviews from folks who agreed to do it. ←
15:19:13 <MattPerry> sure
Matthew Perry: sure ←
15:19:27 <bglimm> Zakim, mute me
Birte Glimm: Zakim, mute me ←
15:19:27 <Zakim> bglimm should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bglimm should now be muted ←
15:19:34 <sandro> LeeF: Query -- plenty of references about editing continuing
Lee Feigenbaum: Query -- plenty of references about editing continuing ←
15:19:50 <sandro> Lee: Any idea when it will be ready to review
Lee Feigenbaum: Any idea when it will be ready to review ←
15:20:12 <sandro> Steve: I'm hoping some time this week (unintelligible)
Steve Harris: I'm hoping some time this week (unintelligible) ←
15:20:33 <sandro> Andy: three things to due. head-to-tail edit to get references right, and go through formal section to check it.
Andy Seaborne: three things to due. head-to-tail edit to get references right, and go through formal section to check it. ←
15:20:41 <sandro> Lee: some time next week?
Lee Feigenbaum: some time next week? ←
15:20:47 <sandro> Andy: I can't promise times.
Andy Seaborne: I can't promise times. ←
15:21:44 <sandro> Lee: Update?
Lee Feigenbaum: Update? ←
15:22:07 <sandro> Paul: all recent things mentioned about Update have been done. But I wouldnt say the document is complete.
Paul Gearon: all recent things mentioned about Update have been done. But I wouldnt say the document is complete. ←
15:22:49 <sandro> Lee: need conversation with Alex and you (Paul). if you have nothing on todo list, then we should have it reviewed.
Lee Feigenbaum: need conversation with Alex and you (Paul). if you have nothing on todo list, then we should have it reviewed. ←
15:23:30 <SteveH> q+
Steve Harris: q+ ←
15:23:46 <LeeF> ack SteveH
Lee Feigenbaum: ack SteveH ←
15:24:06 <sandro> SteveH: What about Update vs Query vs other stuff on left side of equals? update= ?
Steve Harris: What about Update vs Query vs other stuff on left side of equals? update= ? ←
15:24:20 <sandro> lee: as I recall, we settled on update= I think.
Lee Feigenbaum: as I recall, we settled on update= I think. ←
15:24:35 <kasei> q+
Gregory Williams: q+ ←
15:24:42 <LeeF> ack kasei
Lee Feigenbaum: ack kasei ←
15:24:50 <pgearon> q+
Paul Gearon: q+ ←
15:25:12 <sandro> greg: We agreed you can have multiple operations, including a query. So maybe it should be: request=
Gregory Williams: We agreed you can have multiple operations, including a query. So maybe it should be: request= ←
15:25:26 <AndyS> ?? last one is a query? I
Andy Seaborne: ?? last one is a query? I ←
15:25:33 <sandro> SteveH: Did we really say the last thing might be a query??
Steve Harris: Did we really say the last thing might be a query?? ←
15:25:37 <sandro> Lee: news to me, too!
Lee Feigenbaum: news to me, too! ←
15:26:04 <LeeF> ack pgearon
Lee Feigenbaum: ack pgearon ←
15:26:05 <sandro> greg: I thought in transactionality, we said the last thing was you could pull data out, even if it's not really atomic.
Gregory Williams: I thought in transactionality, we said the last thing was you could pull data out, even if it's not really atomic. ←
15:26:19 <sandro> paul: We were talking about it, but I thought we decided against it.
Paul Gearon: We were talking about it, but I thought we decided against it. ←
15:26:26 <sandro> paul: it's not in Update now
Paul Gearon: it's not in Update now ←
15:26:30 <sandro> greg: Okay.
Gregory Williams: Okay. ←
15:27:02 <sandro> paul: Andy commented on Update section 3.1.2 editors note, about graph triples with bnodes. That's still to be discussed.....
Paul Gearon: Andy commented on Update section 3.1.2 editors note, about graph triples with bnodes. That's still to be discussed..... ←
15:27:31 <sandro> lee: please send msg to mailing list
Lee Feigenbaum: please send msg to mailing list ←
15:27:47 <Zakim> -SteveH
Zakim IRC Bot: -SteveH ←
15:27:49 <LeeF> update=<update request>
Lee Feigenbaum: update=<update request> ←
15:27:54 <LeeF> request=<update request>
Lee Feigenbaum: request=<update request> ←
15:27:58 <sandro> lee: straw poll on update= vs request=
Lee Feigenbaum: straw poll on update= vs request= ←
15:28:10 <NickH> 0
15:28:23 <NickH> request=
Nicholas Humfrey: request= ←
15:28:28 <sandro> request=
request= ←
15:28:29 <cbuilara> request=
Carlos Buil Aranda: request= ←
15:28:34 <SteveH> update=
Steve Harris: update= ←
15:28:35 <MattPerry> update=
Matthew Perry: update= ←
15:28:36 <AxelPolleres> 0
Axel Polleres: 0 ←
15:28:38 <kasei> 0
15:28:42 <ocorby> 0
Olivier Corby: 0 ←
15:28:43 <AndyS> request=
Andy Seaborne: request= ←
15:28:52 <Zakim> +[Garlik]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[Garlik] ←
15:28:57 <Zakim> -ocorby
Zakim IRC Bot: -ocorby ←
15:29:23 <AndyS> (update= is OK - not a strong feeling)
Andy Seaborne: (update= is OK - not a strong feeling) ←
15:29:31 <AxelPolleres> q+
Axel Polleres: q+ ←
15:29:37 <LeeF> ack AxelPolleres
Lee Feigenbaum: ack AxelPolleres ←
15:29:56 <bglimm> undecided, tendency to update
Birte Glimm: undecided, tendency to update ←
15:29:57 <sandro> axel: I kind of like query= [query doc] update= [update doc]
Axel Polleres: I kind of like query= [query doc] update= [update doc] ←
15:30:06 <kasei> q+
Gregory Williams: q+ ←
15:30:10 <LeeF> ack kasei
Lee Feigenbaum: ack kasei ←
15:30:14 <sandro> lee: update request === request=
Lee Feigenbaum: update request === request= ←
15:30:47 <sandro> greg: because it's form encoding, with a single form....
Gregory Williams: because it's form encoding, with a single form.... ←
15:30:57 <sandro> greg: would request= accept a query?
Gregory Williams: would request= accept a query? ←
15:31:12 <SteveH> ...we could support both update=(update) request=(either)
Steve Harris: ...we could support both update=(update) request=(either) ←
15:31:29 <Zakim> + +34.92.38.aaff
Zakim IRC Bot: + +34.92.38.aaff ←
15:31:46 <ocorby> zakim, aaff is me
Olivier Corby: zakim, aaff is me ←
15:31:46 <Zakim> +ocorby; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +ocorby; got it ←
15:32:34 <AndyS> I see that protocol uses "request" more than I remember so I'll go with update= ["request=" either is worrying]
Andy Seaborne: I see that protocol uses "request" more than I remember so I'll go with update= ["request=" either is worrying] ←
15:32:48 <sandro> lee: could be query=queries, update=updates, request=anything
Lee Feigenbaum: could be query=queries, update=updates, request=anything ←
15:33:20 <AndyS> q+
Andy Seaborne: q+ ←
15:33:25 <LeeF> ack AndyS
Lee Feigenbaum: ack AndyS ←
15:33:59 <sandro> AndyS: I'm not keen on a std way of doing both. I want to keep them as separate as possible. Worried about injection attacks, etc.
Andy Seaborne: I'm not keen on a std way of doing both. I want to keep them as separate as possible. Worried about injection attacks, etc. ←
15:34:08 <sandro> lee: what about Greg's web form?
Lee Feigenbaum: what about Greg's web form? ←
15:34:31 <sandro> AndyS: A processor can offer both at the same endpoint. I don't want to not know until parsing.
Andy Seaborne: A processor can offer both at the same endpoint. I don't want to not know until parsing. ←
15:34:45 <SteveH> I also have AndyS's concerns
Steve Harris: I also have AndyS's concerns ←
15:35:05 <sandro> LeeF: Even if a processor offers both, that doesn't solve the HTML form use case.
Lee Feigenbaum: Even if a processor offers both, that doesn't solve the HTML form use case. ←
15:35:32 <sandro> AndyS: A form is going to do different things on the results anyway, so it'll need to look at the text anyway.
Andy Seaborne: A form is going to do different things on the results anyway, so it'll need to look at the text anyway. ←
15:35:43 <SteveH> ...it's actually very hard to get it right, but eay to hack
Steve Harris: ...it's actually very hard to get it right, but eay to hack ←
15:35:43 <kasei> that still will require javascript client-side, right?
Gregory Williams: that still will require javascript client-side, right? ←
15:36:15 <LeeF> straw poll: update=, request=<update only>, request=<either>
Lee Feigenbaum: straw poll: update=, request=<update only>, request=<either> ←
15:36:20 <sandro> or server side, kasei, at something between the client and sparql.
or server side, kasei, at something between the client and sparql. ←
15:36:30 <sandro> update=
update= ←
15:36:37 <SteveH> update=
Steve Harris: update= ←
15:36:40 <MattPerry> upate=
Matthew Perry: upate= ←
15:36:41 <bglimm> update=
Birte Glimm: update= ←
15:36:43 <NickH> update=
Nicholas Humfrey: update= ←
15:36:44 <AndyS> update= or request=update.
Andy Seaborne: update= or request=update. ←
15:36:49 <AxelPolleres> update=, or request=<update only>, no preference between those two
Axel Polleres: update=, or request=<update only>, no preference between those two ←
15:36:57 <pgearon> update=
Paul Gearon: update= ←
15:37:08 <kasei> happy to support an update-only term, but want one that supports both.
Gregory Williams: happy to support an update-only term, but want one that supports both. ←
15:37:56 <LeeF> ISSUE: Does the SPARQL Protocol need a single form parameter that can take either a query string or an update request string?
ISSUE: Does the SPARQL Protocol need a single form parameter that can take either a query string or an update request string? ←
15:37:56 <trackbot> Created ISSUE-65 - Does the SPARQL Protocol need a single form parameter that can take either a query string or an update request string? ; please complete additional details at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/track/issues/65/edit .
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ISSUE-65 - Does the SPARQL Protocol need a single form parameter that can take either a query string or an update request string? ; please complete additional details at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/track/issues/65/edit . ←
15:38:12 <SteveH> can we resolve this one?
Steve Harris: can we resolve this one? ←
15:38:59 <LeeF> PROPOSED: SPARQL Protocol uses the form parameter name "update" for update requests
PROPOSED: SPARQL Protocol uses the form parameter name "update" for update requests ←
15:39:21 <SteveH> seconded
Steve Harris: seconded ←
15:39:28 <AxelPolleres> +1
Axel Polleres: +1 ←
15:39:34 <NickH> +1
Nicholas Humfrey: +1 ←
15:39:36 <LeeF> RESOLVED: SPARQL Protocol uses the form parameter name "update" for update requests
RESOLVED: SPARQL Protocol uses the form parameter name "update" for update requests ←
15:40:08 <sandro> Lee: Uniform HTTP Protocol
Lee Feigenbaum: Uniform HTTP Protocol ←
15:40:31 <sandro> lee: chime just sent a summary of changes. I need to check with him to see if there are any open issues. I don't think the thread is totally up to date.
Lee Feigenbaum: chime just sent a summary of changes. I need to check with him to see if there are any open issues. I don't think the thread is totally up to date. ←
15:40:44 <sandro> lee: I think it's nearly ready for review, but I'll check with Chime
Lee Feigenbaum: I think it's nearly ready for review, but I'll check with Chime ←
15:40:52 <sandro> lee: we DO need to decide on name for document.
Lee Feigenbaum: we DO need to decide on name for document. ←
15:41:27 <LeeF> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2011JanMar/0088.html
Lee Feigenbaum: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2011JanMar/0088.html ←
15:41:31 <sandro> sandro: no process/techincal problems.
Sandro Hawke: no process/techincal problems. ←
15:42:57 <sandro> Lee: note's Chime: My personal preference is 12 and 6
Lee Feigenbaum: note's Chime: My personal preference is 12 and 6 ←
15:43:19 <sandro> lee: "dataset" seems a little confusing since operations deal mostly with graphs.
Lee Feigenbaum: "dataset" seems a little confusing since operations deal mostly with graphs. ←
15:43:44 <sandro> sandro: what was the response to that?
Sandro Hawke: what was the response to that? ←
15:44:05 <sandro> lee: while the protocol deals with indiv graphs, they're part of a dataset.
Lee Feigenbaum: while the protocol deals with indiv graphs, they're part of a dataset. ←
15:44:26 <sandro> lee: when you use graph= you're referencing a graph withing a dataset.
Lee Feigenbaum: when you use graph= you're referencing a graph withing a dataset. ←
15:44:26 <AndyS> good summary.
Andy Seaborne: good summary. ←
15:45:45 <sandro> sandro: if we take "SPARQL 1.1" out, then what about other document titles?
Sandro Hawke: if we take "SPARQL 1.1" out, then what about other document titles? ←
15:45:47 <SteveH> ?graph= is SPARQL-y
Steve Harris: ?graph= is SPARQL-y ←
15:45:56 <sandro> Lee: Well, there's no real SPARQL going over the wire here.
Lee Feigenbaum: Well, there's no real SPARQL going over the wire here. ←
15:46:15 <AxelPolleres> would "RESTful RDF Dataset Protocol" be accepted as yet another alternative?
Axel Polleres: would "RESTful RDF Dataset Protocol" be accepted as yet another alternative? ←
15:46:32 <sandro> Or "RDF Dataset Protocol" ?
Or "RDF Dataset Protocol" ? ←
15:46:51 <NickH> RESTful isn't offical terminology?
Nicholas Humfrey: RESTful isn't offical terminology? ←
15:47:29 <sandro> Lee: strawpoll, type in preference
Lee Feigenbaum: strawpoll, type in preference ←
15:47:30 <kasei> 1
15:47:33 <NickH> 8,7
Nicholas Humfrey: 8,7 ←
15:47:43 <SteveH> 1,4,5 <- all ok
Steve Harris: 1,4,5 <- all ok ←
15:47:50 <AndyS> 6 then 4 or 3
Andy Seaborne: 6 then 4 or 3 ←
15:47:58 <ocorby> 6
Olivier Corby: 6 ←
15:48:02 <LeeF> 1,4,5 (i'm with Steve) - analogoous without SPARQL1.1 ok with me too
Lee Feigenbaum: 1,4,5 (i'm with Steve) - analogoous without SPARQL1.1 ok with me too ←
15:48:05 <cbuilara> 6 or 12
Carlos Buil Aranda: 6 or 12 ←
15:48:06 <bglimm> 1
Birte Glimm: 1 ←
15:48:11 <sandro> 8
8 ←
15:48:14 <AxelPolleres> 8,2, 12,6
Axel Polleres: 8,2, 12,6 ←
15:48:23 <AxelPolleres> (in that order)
Axel Polleres: (in that order) ←
15:48:24 <MattPerry> 6
Matthew Perry: 6 ←
15:48:47 <pgearon> 12, 6
Paul Gearon: 12, 6 ←
15:49:47 <SteveH> strawpoll on graph/dataset?
Steve Harris: strawpoll on graph/dataset? ←
15:49:53 <LeeF> Include SPARQL 1.1 in the name or not?
Lee Feigenbaum: Include SPARQL 1.1 in the name or not? ←
15:49:58 <SteveH> yes
Steve Harris: yes ←
15:49:59 <bglimm> yes
Birte Glimm: yes ←
15:49:59 <kasei> yes
Gregory Williams: yes ←
15:50:02 <ocorby> yes
Olivier Corby: yes ←
15:50:02 <MattPerry> yes
Matthew Perry: yes ←
15:50:03 <LeeF> 0
Lee Feigenbaum: 0 ←
15:50:03 <sandro> no
no ←
15:50:05 <pgearon> no
Paul Gearon: no ←
15:50:07 <AxelPolleres> 0
Axel Polleres: 0 ←
15:50:07 <cbuilara> 0
15:50:08 <NickH> 0
15:50:14 <AndyS> yes
Andy Seaborne: yes ←
15:50:39 <LeeF> given that we want to include SPARQL 1.1 branding, please indicate preference of names 1-6
Lee Feigenbaum: given that we want to include SPARQL 1.1 branding, please indicate preference of names 1-6 ←
15:50:41 <SteveH> if we have SPARQL 1.1 RDF is a bit redundant
Steve Harris: if we have SPARQL 1.1 RDF is a bit redundant ←
15:50:48 <pgearon> 6, 4
Paul Gearon: 6, 4 ←
15:50:54 <LeeF> 1,4,5
Lee Feigenbaum: 1,4,5 ←
15:50:55 <SteveH> 1,4,5
Steve Harris: 1,4,5 ←
15:50:56 <bglimm> 1
Birte Glimm: 1 ←
15:50:59 <ocorby> 6
Olivier Corby: 6 ←
15:50:59 <AxelPolleres> 2,6
Axel Polleres: 2,6 ←
15:51:02 <cbuilara> 6
15:51:02 <AndyS> 6,4
Andy Seaborne: 6,4 ←
15:51:02 <kasei> 1
15:51:05 <NickH> 5,4
Nicholas Humfrey: 5,4 ←
15:51:06 <MattPerry> 6
Matthew Perry: 6 ←
15:51:12 <sandro> 3
3 ←
15:51:13 <AndyS> 3
Andy Seaborne: 3 ←
15:51:14 <sandro> :-)
:-) ←
15:51:31 <LeeF> 1 - 4 mentions
Lee Feigenbaum: 1 - 4 mentions ←
15:51:36 <LeeF> 2 - 1 mention
Lee Feigenbaum: 2 - 1 mention ←
15:51:41 <LeeF> 3 - 2 mentions
Lee Feigenbaum: 3 - 2 mentions ←
15:51:47 <LeeF> 4 - 5 mentions
Lee Feigenbaum: 4 - 5 mentions ←
15:51:48 <sandro> (really 0, I think. I cant decide)
(really 0, I think. I cant decide) ←
15:51:52 <LeeF> 5 - 3 mentions
Lee Feigenbaum: 5 - 3 mentions ←
15:52:00 <LeeF> 6 - 6 mentions
Lee Feigenbaum: 6 - 6 mentions ←
15:52:54 <SteveH> 4
Steve Harris: 4 ←
15:52:55 <sandro> Lee: only 4 and 6: pick one
Lee Feigenbaum: only 4 and 6: pick one ←
15:52:56 <kasei> 4
15:52:57 <LeeF> between 6 and 4 which would you prefer?
Lee Feigenbaum: between 6 and 4 which would you prefer? ←
15:53:01 <LeeF> 4
Lee Feigenbaum: 4 ←
15:53:05 <bglimm> 4
Birte Glimm: 4 ←
15:53:07 <sandro> 4
4 ←
15:53:25 <pgearon> 6
Paul Gearon: 6 ←
15:53:26 <MattPerry> 6
Matthew Perry: 6 ←
15:53:26 <cbuilara> 6
15:53:27 <sandro> errr, please change my 4 to a 6, sorry.
errr, please change my 4 to a 6, sorry. ←
15:53:33 <AxelPolleres> 6
Axel Polleres: 6 ←
15:53:36 <ocorby> 6
Olivier Corby: 6 ←
15:53:42 <NickH> 4
15:53:57 <AndyS> 64 but really neutral - agreement more important
Andy Seaborne: 64 but really neutral - agreement more important ←
15:54:27 <sandro> sandro: plus count Chime as a 6.
Sandro Hawke: plus count Chime as a 6. ←
15:54:49 <SteveH> HTTP is probably redundant
Steve Harris: HTTP is probably redundant ←
15:54:53 <SteveH> but other than that it's fine
Steve Harris: but other than that it's fine ←
15:55:06 <AxelPolleres> http is in the short name :-)
Axel Polleres: http is in the short name :-) ←
15:55:08 <sandro> Yeah, I figure people will not bother to say "HTTP"
Yeah, I figure people will not bother to say "HTTP" ←
15:55:11 <LeeF> SPARQL 1.1 RDF Dataset HTTP Protocol
Lee Feigenbaum: SPARQL 1.1 RDF Dataset HTTP Protocol ←
15:55:17 <LeeF> SPARQL 1.1 RDF Dataset Protocol
Lee Feigenbaum: SPARQL 1.1 RDF Dataset Protocol ←
15:55:39 <SteveH> RDF is also a bit redundant, but lets not go there :)
Steve Harris: RDF is also a bit redundant, but lets not go there :) ←
15:55:40 <NickH> I think the HTTP bit is important
Nicholas Humfrey: I think the HTTP bit is important ←
15:55:56 <AndyS> short name has http in it.
Andy Seaborne: short name has http in it. ←
15:56:07 <AndyS> sparql11-http-rdf-update/
Andy Seaborne: sparql11-http-rdf-update/ ←
15:56:25 <LeeF> strawpoll: include "HTTP" or not?
STRAWPOLL: include "HTTP" or not? ←
15:56:33 <NickH> Yes
Nicholas Humfrey: Yes ←
15:56:37 <sandro> 0
0 ←
15:56:39 <MattPerry> yes
Matthew Perry: yes ←
15:56:39 <SteveH> no, but 0.5
Steve Harris: no, but 0.5 ←
15:56:40 <AndyS> 0
Andy Seaborne: 0 ←
15:56:44 <cbuilara> 0
15:56:45 <kasei> no
Gregory Williams: no ←
15:56:49 <pgearon> 0
Paul Gearon: 0 ←
15:56:56 <LeeF> 0
Lee Feigenbaum: 0 ←
15:57:00 <bglimm> 0
Birte Glimm: 0 ←
15:57:11 <ocorby> yes
Olivier Corby: yes ←
15:57:13 <AxelPolleres> if we take out http, then we definitly have to revisit the short name
Axel Polleres: if we take out http, then we definitly have to revisit the short name ←
15:57:28 <SteveH> the short name is odd whatever
Steve Harris: the short name is odd whatever ←
15:58:03 <LeeF> PROPOSED: Rename "SPARQL 1.1 Uniform HTTP Protocol for Managing RDF Graphs" to "SPARQL 1.1 RDF Dataset HTTP Protocol"
PROPOSED: Rename "SPARQL 1.1 Uniform HTTP Protocol for Managing RDF Graphs" to "SPARQL 1.1 RDF Dataset HTTP Protocol" ←
15:58:11 <kasei> +1
Gregory Williams: +1 ←
15:58:24 <LeeF> RESOLVED: Rename "SPARQL 1.1 Uniform HTTP Protocol for Managing RDF Graphs" to "SPARQL 1.1 RDF Dataset HTTP Protocol"
RESOLVED: Rename "SPARQL 1.1 Uniform HTTP Protocol for Managing RDF Graphs" to "SPARQL 1.1 RDF Dataset HTTP Protocol" ←
16:00:05 <kasei> so are the current bind08.srx results correct?
Gregory Williams: so are the current bind08.srx results correct? ←
16:00:47 <kasei> ah, ok. then i don't understand the issue. need to read more about it...
Gregory Williams: ah, ok. then i don't understand the issue. need to read more about it... ←
16:00:54 <AndyS> Would be "cp bind-05.srx bind08.srx"
Andy Seaborne: Would be "cp bind-05.srx bind08.srx" ←
16:01:08 <sandro> lee: Federated Query. Carlos?
Lee Feigenbaum: Federated Query. Carlos? ←
16:01:31 <sandro> ADJOURN
ADJOURN ←
16:01:36 <bglimm> Zakim, unmute me
Birte Glimm: Zakim, unmute me ←
16:01:38 <AndyS> BINDINGS in rq25 now. Carlos - hope it's not too short.
Andy Seaborne: BINDINGS in rq25 now. Carlos - hope it's not too short. ←
16:01:40 <SteveH> bye
Steve Harris: bye ←
16:01:45 <MattPerry> bye
Matthew Perry: bye ←
16:01:52 <bglimm> bye
Birte Glimm: bye ←
16:01:54 <AxelPolleres> bye, thanks.
Axel Polleres: bye, thanks. ←
16:01:57 <NicoM> bye
Nico Michaelis: bye ←
16:01:58 <cbuilara> I will chek it Andy
Carlos Buil Aranda: I will chek it Andy ←
16:02:13 <AndyS> Carlos - thanks
Andy Seaborne: Carlos - thanks ←
16:02:43 <Zakim> bglimm should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bglimm should no longer be muted ←
16:02:53 <Zakim> -LeeF
Zakim IRC Bot: -LeeF ←
16:02:55 <Zakim> -sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: -sandro ←
16:03:05 <Zakim> -AxelPolleres
Zakim IRC Bot: -AxelPolleres ←
16:03:07 <Zakim> -cbuilara
Zakim IRC Bot: -cbuilara ←
16:03:11 <Zakim> -ocorby
Zakim IRC Bot: -ocorby ←
16:03:13 <Zakim> -AndyS
Zakim IRC Bot: -AndyS ←
16:03:17 <Zakim> -[Garlik]
Zakim IRC Bot: -[Garlik] ←
16:03:26 <Zakim> -pgearon
Zakim IRC Bot: -pgearon ←
16:03:28 <Zakim> -NickH
Zakim IRC Bot: -NickH ←
16:03:30 <Zakim> -MattPerry
Zakim IRC Bot: -MattPerry ←
16:03:34 <Zakim> -bglimm
Zakim IRC Bot: -bglimm ←
16:20:25 <SteveH> LeeF, do we have world readable logs of this IRC session?
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Steve Harris: LeeF, do we have world readable logs of this IRC session? ←
16:30:38 <LeeF> RRSAgent, make logs world
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Lee Feigenbaum: RRSAgent, make logs world ←
16:30:41 <LeeF> now we do :)
Lee Feigenbaum: now we do :) ←
16:30:54 <LeeF> RRSAgent, pointer?
Lee Feigenbaum: RRSAgent, pointer? ←
16:30:54 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2011/01/25-sparql-irc#T16-30-54
RRSAgent IRC Bot: See http://www.w3.org/2011/01/25-sparql-irc#T16-30-54 ←
16:31:32 <SteveH> thanks Lee
Steve Harris: thanks Lee ←
16:35:01 <Zakim> disconnecting the lone participant, kasei, in SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM
Zakim IRC Bot: disconnecting the lone participant, kasei, in SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM ←
16:35:06 <Zakim> SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM has ended
Zakim IRC Bot: SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM has ended ←
16:35:07 <Zakim> Attendees were pgearon, +44.208.439.aaaa, +1.617.553.aabb, LeeF, SteveH, AndyS, +33.4.92.38.aacc, AxelPolleres, ocorby, +1.603.897.aadd, kasei, MattPerry, sandro, NickH, cbuilara,
Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were pgearon, +44.208.439.aaaa, +1.617.553.aabb, LeeF, SteveH, AndyS, +33.4.92.38.aacc, AxelPolleres, ocorby, +1.603.897.aadd, kasei, MattPerry, sandro, NickH, cbuilara, ←
16:35:10 <Zakim> ... +44.186.528.aaee, bglimm, [Garlik], +34.92.38.aaff
Zakim IRC Bot: ... +44.186.528.aaee, bglimm, [Garlik], +34.92.38.aaff ←
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