SPARQL Working Group Teleconference

Minutes of 05 January 2010

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Alexandre Passant, Andy Seaborne, Axel Polleres, Birte Glimm, Chimezie Ogbuji, David Charboneau, Gregory Williams, Ivan Herman, Lee Feigenbaum, Luke Wilson-Mawer, Matthew Perry, Sandro Hawke, Souripriya Das, Steve Harris, Tommi Koivula
Scribe
Alexandre Passant
IRC Log
Original and Editable Wiki Version
Resolutions
  1. Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2009-12-22 link
  2. short name for property paths FPWD will be sparql11-property-paths link
Topics
15:01:11 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2010/01/05-sparql-irc

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15:01:15 <AndyS> We do!

Andy Seaborne: We do!

15:01:22 <AxelPolleres> trackbot, start meeting

Axel Polleres: trackbot, start meeting

15:01:24 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world

Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, make logs world

15:01:26 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 77277

Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, this will be 77277

15:01:27 <trackbot> Meeting: SPARQL Working Group Teleconference
15:01:27 <trackbot> Date: 05 January 2010
15:01:30 <SteveH> Zakim, ??P4 is [Garlik]

Steve Harris: Zakim, ??P4 is [Garlik]

15:01:35 <Zakim> +??P18

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P18

15:01:40 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM scheduled to start now

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, trackbot; I see SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM scheduled to start now

15:01:42 <Zakim> I already had ??P4 as ??P4, SteveH

Zakim IRC Bot: I already had ??P4 as ??P4, SteveH

15:01:46 <SteveH> Zakim, [Garlik] has SteveH, LukeWM

Steve Harris: Zakim, [Garlik] has SteveH, LukeWM

15:01:54 <Zakim> sorry, SteveH, I do not recognize a party named '[Garlik]'

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, SteveH, I do not recognize a party named '[Garlik]'

15:01:54 <MattPerry> zakim, ??P4 is me

Matthew Perry: zakim, ??P4 is me

15:01:58 <Zakim> I already had ??P4 as ??P4, MattPerry

Zakim IRC Bot: I already had ??P4 as ??P4, MattPerry

15:02:04 <Ivan Herman> zakim, dial ivan-voip

Ivan Herman: zakim, dial ivan-voip

15:02:05 <MattPerry> sorry

Matthew Perry: sorry

15:02:05 <SteveH> MattPerry, ??P4 is us

Steve Harris: MattPerry, ??P4 is us

15:02:06 <Zakim> ok, Ivan Herman; the call is being made

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, Ivan Herman; the call is being made

15:02:15 <MattPerry> zakim, ??P18 is me

Matthew Perry: zakim, ??P18 is me

15:02:17 <SteveH> ...I think

Steve Harris: ...I think

15:02:20 <Zakim> I already had ??P18 as ??P18, MattPerry

Zakim IRC Bot: I already had ??P18 as ??P18, MattPerry

15:02:42 <AxelPolleres> AxelPolleres has changed the topic to: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Agenda-2010-01-05

Axel Polleres: AxelPolleres has changed the topic to: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Agenda-2010-01-05

15:02:48 <SteveH> Zakim, ??P4 is temporarily [Garlik]

Steve Harris: Zakim, ??P4 is temporarily [Garlik]

15:02:52 <Zakim> I already had ??P4 as ??P4, SteveH

Zakim IRC Bot: I already had ??P4 as ??P4, SteveH

15:03:00 <SteveH> Zakim, P4 is [Garlik]

Steve Harris: Zakim, P4 is [Garlik]

15:03:02 <Zakim> sorry, SteveH, I do not recognize a party named 'P4'

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, SteveH, I do not recognize a party named 'P4'

15:03:17 <sandro> zakim, who is talking?

Sandro Hawke: zakim, who is talking?

15:03:18 <Zakim> sorry, sandro, I don't know what conference this is

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, sandro, I don't know what conference this is

15:03:22 <AxelPolleres> hmmm, I have some echo...

Axel Polleres: hmmm, I have some echo...

15:03:27 <sandro> zakim, this is sparql

Sandro Hawke: zakim, this is sparql

15:03:32 <Zakim> ok, sandro; that matches SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, sandro; that matches SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM

15:03:32 <LukeWM> zakim, what's wrong with you?

Luke Wilson-Mawer: zakim, what's wrong with you?

15:03:34 <Zakim> +??P26

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P26

15:03:36 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, LukeWM.

Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand your question, LukeWM.

15:03:38 <sandro> zakim, who is talking?

Sandro Hawke: zakim, who is talking?

15:03:38 <AlexPassant> Zakim: ??P26 is me
15:03:42 <AlexPassant> Zakim, ??P26 is me

Alexandre Passant: Zakim, ??P26 is me

15:03:44 <Zakim> +AlexPassant; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +AlexPassant; got it

15:03:54 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, who is on the phone?

Axel Polleres: Zakim, who is on the phone?

15:03:56 <Zakim> sandro, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Souri (29%), Axel (59%), Ivan Herman (11%)

Zakim IRC Bot: sandro, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Souri (29%), Axel (59%), Ivan Herman (11%)

15:04:01 <Zakim> On the phone I see dcharbon2, bglimm, kasei, AndyS, ??P18, Ivan Herman, Axel, Sandro, tkoivula, Souri, AlexPassant

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see dcharbon2, bglimm, kasei, AndyS, ??P18, Ivan Herman, Axel, Sandro, tkoivula, Souri, AlexPassant

15:04:04 <Zakim> +??P4

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P4

15:04:11 <sandro> What was wrong with Zakim was that no one had said "Zakim, this is sparql"

Sandro Hawke: What was wrong with Zakim was that no one had said "Zakim, this is sparql"

15:04:13 <SteveH> Zakim, ??P4 is [Garlik]

Steve Harris: Zakim, ??P4 is [Garlik]

15:04:13 <Zakim> +[Garlik]; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +[Garlik]; got it

15:04:19 <MattPerry> zakim, ??P18 is me

Matthew Perry: zakim, ??P18 is me

15:04:19 <Zakim> +MattPerry; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +MattPerry; got it

15:04:40 <LukeWM> Zakim, Garlik has LukeWM, SteveH

Luke Wilson-Mawer: Zakim, Garlik has LukeWM, SteveH

15:04:40 <Zakim> +LukeWM, SteveH; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +LukeWM, SteveH; got it

15:04:45 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, who is on the phone?

Axel Polleres: Zakim, who is on the phone?

15:04:45 <Zakim> On the phone I see dcharbon2, bglimm, kasei, AndyS, MattPerry, Ivan Herman, Axel, Sandro, tkoivula, Souri, AlexPassant, [Garlik]

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see dcharbon2, bglimm, kasei, AndyS, MattPerry, Ivan Herman, Axel, Sandro, tkoivula, Souri, AlexPassant, [Garlik]

15:04:48 <Zakim> [Garlik] has LukeWM, SteveH

Zakim IRC Bot: [Garlik] has LukeWM, SteveH

15:05:01 <AlexPassant> ok

Alexandre Passant: ok

15:05:12 <AxelPolleres> scribe: Alex Passant

(Scribe set to Alexandre Passant)

15:05:24 <AxelPolleres> scribenick:AlexPassant
15:05:32 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Agenda-2010-01-05

Axel Polleres: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Agenda-2010-01-05

15:05:49 <AlexPassant> AxelPolleres: main goal is to check how far we are on the reviews

Axel Polleres: main goal is to check how far we are on the reviews

15:05:53 <AlexPassant> ... + discuss schedule

... + discuss schedule

15:05:58 <AlexPassant> topic: admin issues

1. admin issues

15:06:03 <AxelPolleres> PROPOSED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2009-12-22

PROPOSED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2009-12-22

15:06:14 <AlexPassant> AxelPolleres: minutes approval - any objections ?

Axel Polleres: minutes approval - any objections ?

15:06:21 <AlexPassant> ... minutes approved

... minutes approved

15:06:22 <AxelPolleres> RESOLVED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2009-12-22

RESOLVED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2009-12-22

15:06:38 <AlexPassant> ... next meeting next week

... next meeting next week

15:06:49 <chimezie> Zakim, passcode?

Chimezie Ogbuji: Zakim, passcode?

15:06:49 <Zakim> the conference code is 77277 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), chimezie

Zakim IRC Bot: the conference code is 77277 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), chimezie

15:06:50 <AlexPassant> ... dcharbon2 will scribe

... dcharbon2 will scribe

15:07:09 <AlexPassant> ... updates on comments ?

... updates on comments ?

15:07:09 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Comments any updates?

Axel Polleres: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Comments any updates?

15:07:19 <Zakim> +Chimezie_Ogbuji

Zakim IRC Bot: +Chimezie_Ogbuji

15:07:26 <AlexPassant> ... no updated

... no updated

15:07:29 <AxelPolleres> topic: liaisons

2. liaisons

15:07:32 <chimezie> Zakim, mute me

Chimezie Ogbuji: Zakim, mute me

15:07:32 <Zakim> Chimezie_Ogbuji should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: Chimezie_Ogbuji should now be muted

15:07:35 <AxelPolleres> no updates.

Axel Polleres: no updates.

15:07:47 <AlexPassant> topic: Document reviews

3. Document reviews

15:08:03 <bglimm> Zakim, mute me

Birte Glimm: Zakim, mute me

15:08:03 <Zakim> bglimm should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bglimm should now be muted

15:08:13 <AlexPassant> AxelPolleres: schedule: publish in 2 weeks max

Axel Polleres: schedule: publish in 2 weeks max

15:08:18 <AlexPassant> ... few reviews missing

... few reviews missing

15:08:31 <AlexPassant> ... kindly ask reviewers to review in the next few days

... kindly ask reviewers to review in the next few days

15:08:39 <AlexPassant> ... so that we can decide on publishing next week

... so that we can decide on publishing next week

15:09:01 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/query-1.1/

Axel Polleres: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/query-1.1/

15:09:04 <AlexPassant> ... first: query document

... first: query document

15:09:18 <AlexPassant> ... several reviews from bglimm, Souri, AxelPolleres and MattPerry

... several reviews from bglimm, Souri, AxelPolleres and MattPerry

15:09:24 <AlexPassant> ... andy to summarize

... andy to summarize

15:09:36 <AlexPassant> AndyS: nothing outstanding on the query side

Andy Seaborne: nothing outstanding on the query side

15:09:47 <AlexPassant> ... if so, please remind

... if so, please remind

15:10:48 <AlexPassant> Souri: sent another e-mail with minor question

Souripriya Das: sent another e-mail with minor question

15:11:02 <AlexPassant> ... not a critical one

... not a critical one

15:11:34 <AlexPassant> ... reviewers should check if their comments have been addressed

... reviewers should check if their comments have been addressed

15:11:39 <bglimm> fine with me

Birte Glimm: fine with me

15:11:48 <AlexPassant> ... will not give separate actions to reviewers

... will not give separate actions to reviewers

15:12:13 <AxelPolleres> q?

Axel Polleres: q?

15:12:14 <AlexPassant> ... everyone is free to make some comments, but please keep the schedule in mind

... everyone is free to make some comments, but please keep the schedule in mind

15:12:37 <AlexPassant> ... next doc: Update

... next doc: Update

15:12:45 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/update-1.1/Overview.xml

Axel Polleres: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/update-1.1/Overview.xml

15:12:51 <AlexPassant> ... Paul sent regrets, difficult to discuss it today

... Paul sent regrets, difficult to discuss it today

15:12:59 <AlexPassant> ... quick look through the reviews sent so far

... quick look through the reviews sent so far

15:13:19 <AlexPassant> AndyS: comments not addressed so far

Andy Seaborne: comments not addressed so far

15:13:30 <AlexPassant> AxelPolleres: postpone discussion until Paul is back

Axel Polleres: postpone discussion until Paul is back

15:13:34 <Souri> Please replace 20100126 with 2010126 in http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/query-1.1/WD-sparql11-query-2010126/

Souripriya Das: Please replace 20100126 with 2010126 in http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/query-1.1/WD-sparql11-query-2010126/

15:14:09 <Souri> sorry the other way

Souripriya Das: sorry the other way

15:14:17 <AlexPassant> ... next: protocol

... next: protocol

15:14:18 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/protocol-1.1/

Axel Polleres: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/protocol-1.1/

15:14:45 <AlexPassant> dcharbon2: short update - hoping to get some feedback

David Charboneau: short update - hoping to get some feedback

15:15:27 <AlexPassant> ... mail not yet in the archives

... mail not yet in the archives

15:15:29 <AxelPolleres> i can't see your mail in the archives: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2010JanMar/

Axel Polleres: i can't see your mail in the archives: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2010JanMar/

15:15:32 <AlexPassant> ... sent about 1h ago

... sent about 1h ago

15:16:57 <AlexPassant> dcharbon2: should we update to WSDL2.0

David Charboneau: should we update to WSDL2.0

15:17:29 <sandro> 3 messages from dcharbon approved

Sandro Hawke: 3 messages from dcharbon approved

15:18:21 <AxelPolleres> q?

Axel Polleres: q?

15:19:07 <AlexPassant> AxelPolleres: did we agree on getting only HTTP POST for the update

Axel Polleres: did we agree on getting only HTTP POST for the update

15:19:15 <AlexPassant> AndyS: cannot do update with a GET by HTTP design

Andy Seaborne: cannot do update with a GET by HTTP design

15:19:42 <AxelPolleres> probably POST is the only reasonable way to do it.

Axel Polleres: probably POST is the only reasonable way to do it.

15:20:02 <AxelPolleres> ... true.

Axel Polleres: ... true.

15:20:23 <AlexPassant> dcharbon2: graphs do exit / vs do not exist when updating data

David Charboneau: graphs do exit / vs do not exist when updating data

15:20:32 <SteveH> under what circumstances are those errors?

Steve Harris: under what circumstances are those errors?

15:20:37 <AlexPassant> ... query gramatically correct but error when running it - suggestion to add a new error

... query gramatically correct but error when running it - suggestion to add a new error

15:20:40 <SteveH> don't we have an open issue about this?

Steve Harris: don't we have an open issue about this?

15:20:56 <AndyS> q+

Andy Seaborne: q+

15:21:04 <AlexPassant> ... ... should we have something more generic (e.g. semantic execution fault)

... ... should we have something more generic (e.g. semantic execution fault)

15:21:11 <AlexPassant> AndyS: how this maps down to HTTP

Andy Seaborne: how this maps down to HTTP

15:21:22 <AlexPassant> ... caring about the corresponding HTTP code

... caring about the corresponding HTTP code

15:22:11 <AxelPolleres> 5xx codes reflect that something went wrong.

Axel Polleres: 5xx codes reflect that something went wrong.

15:22:20 <SteveH> yes, 500 soundsw wrong to me

Steve Harris: yes, 500 soundsw wrong to me

15:22:27 <AlexPassant> dcharbon2: last question on the update doc

David Charboneau: last question on the update doc

15:22:42 <AlexPassant> ... protocol could be conformat by implementing only a subset of the interface

... protocol could be conformat by implementing only a subset of the interface

15:22:51 <AlexPassant> ... seems not to be the case with WSDL

... seems not to be the case with WSDL

15:23:17 <AndyS> ack me

Andy Seaborne: ack me

15:24:34 <AlexPassant> ... have to implement one or both to be compliant ?

... have to implement one or both to be compliant ?

15:26:05 <AxelPolleres> todo for dcharbon2: WSDL and types update, and pointers from the overview doc.

Axel Polleres: todo for dcharbon2: WSDL and types update, and pointers from the overview doc.

15:26:32 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: dcharbon2 send mail about readiness for review by tonight

ACTION: dcharbon2 send mail about readiness for review by tonight

15:26:32 <trackbot> Sorry, amibiguous username (more than one match) - dcharbon2

Trackbot IRC Bot: Sorry, amibiguous username (more than one match) - dcharbon2

15:26:32 <trackbot> Try using a different identifier, such as family name or username (eg. dcharbon2, dnewman2)

Trackbot IRC Bot: Try using a different identifier, such as family name or username (eg. dcharbon2, dnewman2)

15:26:50 <AlexPassant> AxelPolleres: reviewers needed for protocol

Axel Polleres: reviewers needed for protocol

15:27:09 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: dcharbon2 send mail about readiness for review by tonight

ACTION: dcharbon2 send mail about readiness for review by tonight

15:27:10 <trackbot> Created ACTION-173 - Send mail about readiness for review by tonight [on David Charboneau - due 2010-01-12].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-173 - Send mail about readiness for review by tonight [on David Charboneau - due 2010-01-12].

15:27:29 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: axel to review protocol changes

ACTION: axel to review protocol changes

15:27:29 <trackbot> Created ACTION-174 - Review protocol changes [on Axel Polleres - due 2010-01-12].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-174 - Review protocol changes [on Axel Polleres - due 2010-01-12].

15:27:39 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, pick a victim

Axel Polleres: Zakim, pick a victim

15:27:39 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose [Garlik]

Zakim IRC Bot: Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose [Garlik]

15:28:27 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: Luke to review protocol changes

ACTION: Luke to review protocol changes

15:28:27 <trackbot> Created ACTION-175 - Review protocol changes [on Luke Wilson-Mawer - due 2010-01-12].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-175 - Review protocol changes [on Luke Wilson-Mawer - due 2010-01-12].

15:28:47 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/service-description-1.1/

Axel Polleres: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/service-description-1.1/

15:28:49 <AlexPassant> ... next document: Service Description

... next document: Service Description

15:30:03 <AlexPassant> kasei: before publication, would like to add a link to entailement profiles URIs

Gregory Williams: before publication, would like to add a link to entailement profiles URIs

15:30:11 <AlexPassant> ... get the RDF published for the vocab as well

... get the RDF published for the vocab as well

15:30:24 <AlexPassant> ... will check with Ivan / Sandro about the RDF

... will check with Ivan / Sandro about the RDF

15:30:26 <Ivan Herman> q+

Ivan Herman: q+

15:30:37 <AlexPassant> ... commited comments yesterday on future things (not for that draft)

... commited comments yesterday on future things (not for that draft)

15:30:53 <AlexPassant> ... just a few things to address before publishing

... just a few things to address before publishing

15:31:15 <AlexPassant> Ivan Herman: happy to publish the RDF

Ivan Herman: happy to publish the RDF

15:31:23 <AlexPassant> ... discussed RDFa version in the email

... discussed RDFa version in the email

15:31:37 <AlexPassant> ... can be postpone to a later stage

... can be postpone to a later stage

15:31:44 <AlexPassant> kasei: happy with RDF/XML at the moment

Gregory Williams: happy with RDF/XML at the moment

15:31:53 <AlexPassant> +1 on kasei

+1 on kasei

15:31:57 <AxelPolleres> +1 RDF/XML for the first version RDFa as an option for future

Axel Polleres: +1 RDF/XML for the first version RDFa as an option for future

15:32:51 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: greg to ensure RDF Schema gets published in time

ACTION: greg to ensure RDF Schema gets published in time

15:32:51 <trackbot> Created ACTION-176 - Ensure RDF Schema gets published in time [on Gregory Williams - due 2010-01-12].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-176 - Ensure RDF Schema gets published in time [on Gregory Williams - due 2010-01-12].

15:33:13 <AlexPassant> kasei: addressed the issues sent by reviewers

Gregory Williams: addressed the issues sent by reviewers

15:34:26 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/http-rdf-update/

Axel Polleres: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/http-rdf-update/

15:34:36 <AlexPassant> AxelPolleres: next doc - RDF Update

Axel Polleres: next doc - RDF Update

15:34:41 <AlexPassant> ... reviews missing

... reviews missing

15:34:42 <chimezie> Zakim, unmute me

Chimezie Ogbuji: Zakim, unmute me

15:34:42 <Zakim> Chimezie_Ogbuji should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: Chimezie_Ogbuji should no longer be muted

15:35:02 <AlexPassant> chimezie: standing review is AndyS' one

Chimezie Ogbuji: standing review is AndyS' one

15:35:08 <AlexPassant> ... issues look straightforward

... issues look straightforward

15:35:15 <AlexPassant> ... it not, email correspondance will help

... it not, email correspondance will help

15:35:23 <AxelPolleres> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2009OctDec/0673.html

Axel Polleres: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2009OctDec/0673.html

15:35:40 <AlexPassant> AndyS: issue around graph naming is problematic

Andy Seaborne: issue around graph naming is problematic

15:36:36 <AlexPassant> chimezie: need some interface to specify different URIs to update / delete a graph

Chimezie Ogbuji: need some interface to specify different URIs to update / delete a graph

15:36:56 <AlexPassant> ... several suggestions (query parameters)

... several suggestions (query parameters)

15:37:04 <Zakim> +Sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: +Sandro

15:37:06 <Zakim> -Sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: -Sandro

15:37:06 <AlexPassant> ... specify the semantics of the interface should address the problem

... specify the semantics of the interface should address the problem

15:37:18 <AlexPassant> ... can be addressed in the next round

... can be addressed in the next round

15:38:24 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: Axel to ping all editor's to reply to unresponded reviews.

ACTION: Axel to ping all editor's to reply to unresponded reviews.

15:38:24 <trackbot> Created ACTION-177 - Ping all editor's to reply to unresponded reviews. [on Axel Polleres - due 2010-01-12].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-177 - Ping all editor's to reply to unresponded reviews. [on Axel Polleres - due 2010-01-12].

15:38:28 <AlexPassant> ... can address most of the original comments / suggestions

... can address most of the original comments / suggestions

15:38:48 <AlexPassant> ... could produce a version that incorporate the comments by the next telecon

... could produce a version that incorporate the comments by the next telecon

15:39:00 <AlexPassant> AxelPolleres: should have the other reviews by then

Axel Polleres: should have the other reviews by then

15:39:08 <AlexPassant> ... discuss the last reviews next time

... discuss the last reviews next time

15:39:18 <chimezie> Zakim, mute me

Chimezie Ogbuji: Zakim, mute me

15:39:18 <Zakim> Chimezie_Ogbuji should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: Chimezie_Ogbuji should now be muted

15:39:24 <AlexPassant> ... next doc : property path document

... next doc : property path document

15:39:25 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/property-paths/Overview.xml

Axel Polleres: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/property-paths/Overview.xml

15:39:40 <AlexPassant> ... 2 open reviews

... 2 open reviews

15:40:28 <AlexPassant> AndyS: lots of comments (longer period of time)

Andy Seaborne: lots of comments (longer period of time)

15:40:33 <AlexPassant> ... now processed all of them

... now processed all of them

15:40:39 <Ivan Herman> I am fine

Ivan Herman: I am fine

15:40:40 <AlexPassant> ... if something is missing, please remind

... if something is missing, please remind

15:41:16 <Ivan Herman> I have checked and I am happy

Ivan Herman: I have checked and I am happy

15:41:20 <AlexPassant> AxelPolleres: reviewers should check if the comments have been addressed

Axel Polleres: reviewers should check if the comments have been addressed

15:41:27 <Ivan Herman> q+

Ivan Herman: q+

15:41:30 <AlexPassant> ... then decision on publication on next TC

... then decision on publication on next TC

15:43:37 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: Matt to start an email thread about fregments of propertypaths that could be dealt with in SWL

ACTION: Matt to start an email thread about fregments of propertypaths that could be dealt with in SWL

15:43:37 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - Matt

Trackbot IRC Bot: Sorry, couldn't find user - Matt

15:43:41 <AndyS> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/property-paths/Overview.xml#Outstanding_Issues

Andy Seaborne: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/property-paths/Overview.xml#Outstanding_Issues

15:44:06 <AxelPolleres> q?

Axel Polleres: q?

15:44:34 <AlexPassant> Ivan Herman: we may want to do a formal vote on the publishing to go on the request for the shortname

Ivan Herman: we may want to do a formal vote on the publishing to go on the request for the shortname

15:45:20 <AlexPassant> sandro: WG resolves the publishing, then do the short name decision

Sandro Hawke: WG resolves the publishing, then do the short name decision

15:45:24 <chimezie> i have to leave right now, unfortunately

Chimezie Ogbuji: i have to leave right now, unfortunately

15:45:30 <Zakim> -Chimezie_Ogbuji

Zakim IRC Bot: -Chimezie_Ogbuji

15:45:32 <AndyS> "sparql11-property-paths" is the natural short name, I think.

Andy Seaborne: "sparql11-property-paths" is the natural short name, I think.

15:45:47 <AxelPolleres> strawpoll on the name? sparql11-property-paths

Axel Polleres: strawpoll on the name? sparql11-property-paths

15:45:51 <AlexPassant> AxelPolleres: strawpoll on the shortname ?

Axel Polleres: strawpoll on the shortname ?

15:45:54 <SteveH> q+

Steve Harris: q+

15:45:59 <AlexPassant> ... anyone opposed on sparql11-property-paths ?

... anyone opposed on sparql11-property-paths ?

15:46:01 <Ivan Herman> ack Ivan Herman

Ivan Herman: ack Ivan Herman

15:46:11 <Ivan Herman> q+

Ivan Herman: q+

15:46:15 <AxelPolleres> q?

Axel Polleres: q?

15:46:19 <LukeWM> Isn't it just a feature of query?

Luke Wilson-Mawer: Isn't it just a feature of query?

15:46:47 <AlexPassant> sandro: is the sparql11 prefix in any shortname

Sandro Hawke: is the sparql11 prefix in any shortname

15:46:50 <AlexPassant> AxelPolleres: yes

Axel Polleres: yes

15:47:15 <Ivan Herman> q-

Ivan Herman: q-

15:47:18 <kasei> I was wondering the same thing as LukeWM.

Gregory Williams: I was wondering the same thing as LukeWM.

15:47:27 <AxelPolleres> PROPOSED: short name for property paths FPWD will be sparql11-property-paths

PROPOSED: short name for property paths FPWD will be sparql11-property-paths

15:47:32 <SteveH> q?

Steve Harris: q?

15:47:51 <AndyS> Luke, if time (;-) but I think it needs a name to publish this round separately as well.

Andy Seaborne: Luke, if time (;-) but I think it needs a name to publish this round separately as well.

15:48:02 <AlexPassant> SteveH: will it be a standalone doc or part of the query doc in the last call ?

Steve Harris: will it be a standalone doc or part of the query doc in the last call ?

15:48:15 <LukeWM> Ah, I see, so it can be merged across at the very end if required.

Luke Wilson-Mawer: Ah, I see, so it can be merged across at the very end if required.

15:48:23 <AlexPassant> AxelPolleres: can we include it later in the rec ?

Axel Polleres: can we include it later in the rec ?

15:48:30 <AlexPassant> Ivan Herman: correct

Ivan Herman: correct

15:48:54 <AxelPolleres> q?

Axel Polleres: q?

15:49:03 <SteveH> q-

Steve Harris: q-

15:49:20 <AlexPassant> sandro: different window for disclosure but shall not be a problem

Sandro Hawke: different window for disclosure but shall not be a problem

15:49:33 <SteveH> if it's going to be rolled into query11 it doesn't matter does it?

Steve Harris: if it's going to be rolled into query11 it doesn't matter does it?

15:49:38 <SteveH> which was why I asked

Steve Harris: which was why I asked

15:50:10 <AlexPassant> AxelPolleres: 2 options sparql11-paths / sparql11-property-paths

Axel Polleres: 2 options sparql11-paths / sparql11-property-paths

15:50:29 <AndyS> For incorporation, only prob I see is one of balance - the pp doc is relatively long for the size of feature compared to rest of feature set.

Andy Seaborne: For incorporation, only prob I see is one of balance - the pp doc is relatively long for the size of feature compared to rest of feature set.

15:50:34 <Zakim> -AlexPassant

Zakim IRC Bot: -AlexPassant

15:50:50 <SteveH> AndyS, I don't see that being a big issue, myself

Steve Harris: AndyS, I don't see that being a big issue, myself

15:50:59 <AxelPolleres> strawpoll on "property-" ?

Axel Polleres: strawpoll on "property-" ?

15:51:05 <Ivan Herman> +1 for property

Ivan Herman: +1 for property

15:51:06 <AxelPolleres> 0

Axel Polleres: 0

15:51:07 <LukeWM> 0

Luke Wilson-Mawer: 0

15:51:07 <SteveH> +1

Steve Harris: +1

15:51:11 <kasei> 0

Gregory Williams: 0

15:51:14 <tommik> 0

Tommi Koivula: 0

15:51:14 <bglimm> +1 for property

Birte Glimm: +1 for property

15:51:17 <AndyS> +1 to property

Andy Seaborne: +1 to property

15:51:23 <AxelPolleres> sandro: -1 to property

Sandro Hawke: -1 to property [ Scribe Assist by Axel Polleres ]

15:51:29 <AlexPassant> +1

+1

15:51:36 <Zakim> +??P26

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P26

15:51:43 <AlexPassant> Zakim, ??P26 is me

Zakim, ??P26 is me

15:51:43 <Zakim> +AlexPassant; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +AlexPassant; got it

15:51:44 <LeeF> +1 to property-path

Lee Feigenbaum: +1 to property-path

15:51:49 <Ivan Herman> +1 for plural

Ivan Herman: +1 for plural

15:51:49 <AndyS> SteveH, agree - merely the bigg*est* issue I could think of.

Andy Seaborne: SteveH, agree - merely the bigg*est* issue I could think of.

15:51:51 <AndyS> +1 to plural

Andy Seaborne: +1 to plural

15:51:51 <SteveH> +1 to plural

Steve Harris: +1 to plural

15:51:56 <AlexPassant> +1 for plural

+1 for plural

15:52:00 <bglimm> +1 for paths (plural)

Birte Glimm: +1 for paths (plural)

15:52:03 <kasei> +1 for plural

Gregory Williams: +1 for plural

15:52:04 <AxelPolleres> strawpoll: plural yes/no? (paths)

STRAWPOLL: plural yes/no? (paths)

15:52:05 <SteveH> AndyS, ah, I see

Steve Harris: AndyS, ah, I see

15:52:07 <LukeWM> +1 for plural

Luke Wilson-Mawer: +1 for plural

15:52:11 <Souri> 0

Souripriya Das: 0

15:52:12 <LeeF> 0

Lee Feigenbaum: 0

15:52:12 <AxelPolleres> sandro: 0

Sandro Hawke: 0 [ Scribe Assist by Axel Polleres ]

15:52:12 <MattPerry> +0

Matthew Perry: +0

15:52:13 <tommik> 0

Tommi Koivula: 0

15:52:14 <AxelPolleres> 0

Axel Polleres: 0

15:52:16 <dcharbon2> 0

David Charboneau: 0

15:52:44 <AlexPassant> AxelPolleres: property-paths seems to be the consensus

Axel Polleres: property-paths seems to be the consensus

15:52:51 <AxelPolleres> PROPOSED: short name for property paths FPWD will be sparql11-property-paths

PROPOSED: short name for property paths FPWD will be sparql11-property-paths

15:52:57 <Ivan Herman> +1

Ivan Herman: +1

15:53:08 <AndyS> Seconded

Andy Seaborne: Seconded

15:53:13 <bglimm> +1

Birte Glimm: +1

15:53:38 <AxelPolleres> RESOLVED: short name for property paths FPWD will be sparql11-property-paths

RESOLVED: short name for property paths FPWD will be sparql11-property-paths

15:53:59 <bglimm> Zakim, unmute me

Birte Glimm: Zakim, unmute me

15:53:59 <Zakim> bglimm should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bglimm should no longer be muted

15:54:01 <AlexPassant> AxelPolleres: nothing more to add on property path ?

Axel Polleres: nothing more to add on property path ?

15:54:09 <AlexPassant> ... one document open: entailment

... one document open: entailment

15:54:09 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/entailment/xmlspec.xml

Axel Polleres: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/entailment/xmlspec.xml

15:54:19 <AlexPassant> bglimm: currently working through ivan's comment

Birte Glimm: currently working through ivan's comment

15:54:28 <AlexPassant> ... should be finished today so that ivan can have another look

... should be finished today so that ivan can have another look

15:55:31 <AxelPolleres> will try to look through OWL until tomorrow then.

Axel Polleres: will try to look through OWL until tomorrow then.

15:55:43 <AlexPassant> ... updated OWL direct semantics with changes that ivan suggested

... updated OWL direct semantics with changes that ivan suggested

15:55:57 <AndyS> q+

Andy Seaborne: q+

15:56:35 <AlexPassant> AndyS: trying to respond to every comment, what are the general expectations for comments

Andy Seaborne: trying to respond to every comment, what are the general expectations for comments

15:56:50 <AlexPassant> ... for the internal reviews

... for the internal reviews

15:57:02 <AlexPassant> ... so that nothing gets lost

... so that nothing gets lost

15:57:33 <Ivan Herman> q+

Ivan Herman: q+

15:57:37 <AndyS> ack me

Andy Seaborne: ack me

15:58:08 <AlexPassant> Ivan Herman: public comments coming in on the ML

Ivan Herman: public comments coming in on the ML

15:58:11 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Comments

Axel Polleres: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Comments

15:58:25 <AlexPassant> AxelPolleres: should check the comments list if that's up to date + new comments coming

Axel Polleres: should check the comments list if that's up to date + new comments coming

15:58:36 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: Axel to check comments archives and add new comments if necessary

ACTION: Axel to check comments archives and add new comments if necessary

15:58:36 <trackbot> Created ACTION-178 - Check comments archives and add new comments if necessary [on Axel Polleres - due 2010-01-12].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-178 - Check comments archives and add new comments if necessary [on Axel Polleres - due 2010-01-12].

15:58:53 <AlexPassant> AxelPolleres: anybody can edit the page and pick-up open comments

Axel Polleres: anybody can edit the page and pick-up open comments

15:58:57 <AndyS> Are there any glaring late responses currently?

Andy Seaborne: Are there any glaring late responses currently?

15:59:08 <AlexPassant> ... should go through the comments next week if time permits

... should go through the comments next week if time permits

16:00:06 <AlexPassant> ... meeting ajourned

... meeting ajourned

16:00:10 <bglimm> bye

Birte Glimm: bye

16:00:13 <Zakim> -Souri

Zakim IRC Bot: -Souri

16:00:14 <Zakim> -Sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: -Sandro

16:00:15 <Zakim> -bglimm

Zakim IRC Bot: -bglimm

16:00:16 <Zakim> -dcharbon2

Zakim IRC Bot: -dcharbon2

16:00:16 <Zakim> -Ivan Herman

Zakim IRC Bot: -Ivan Herman

16:00:18 <Zakim> -tkoivula

Zakim IRC Bot: -tkoivula

16:00:19 <AxelPolleres> Alex, will you do the minutes magic?

Axel Polleres: Alex, will you do the minutes magic?

16:00:20 <Zakim> -[Garlik]

Zakim IRC Bot: -[Garlik]

16:00:22 <Zakim> -kasei

Zakim IRC Bot: -kasei

16:00:22 <Zakim> -MattPerry

Zakim IRC Bot: -MattPerry

16:00:32 <AlexPassant> yep, will try to recall how to do it

yep, will try to recall how to do it



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