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<trackbot> Date: 08 December 2009
<dug> LOL
<Bob> new music while waiting feature
<dug> Love these picts: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1234047/Surfs-biggest-waves-years-come-Hawaii-North-Pacific-storm.html
<Bob> scribenick: Li
TOPIC agenda
bob: clarify last call issues can be resolved earlier
agenda agreed
TOPIC minutes of last meeting
minutes approved
TOPIC review of snapshots
scribe: 11/17/2009 revision
snapshots approved and issues therein are closed
<dug> very hard to hear you martin
TOPIC xml security x-path discussion thread
<MartinC> i was on headset mute thats why
bob: two options
asir: we need to look at the technical issues before making decisions
bob: need to make decision before LC
<dug> sorry - was distracted - what are the two options?
yves: changing behavior vs.
changing syntax for LC
... cannot change behavior for LC
ram: other group should give us issues to address
bob: to contact fred for issues?
ram: will investigate it for the next meeting
AI: ram to investigate 8176 for the next meeting
<dug> word doc: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-resource-access/2009Dec/att-0012/wsmex_sections_7_and_8_for_6463.doc
katy: describe the issue and proposal
<tomrutt> about:blank
<dug> mind:blank
asir: haven't review it yet, but
question is...
... does the proposal cover both examples
katy: wouldn't object to putting another example
asir: discuss it next week
<dug> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=8200
dug: describe the issue and proposal
<dug> http://www.w3.org/2009/09/ws-mex/Dialects/ws-mex-all
dug: it's a editorial typo
<Zakim> asir, you wanted to point out http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-resource-access/2009Nov/0056.html
<asir> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-resource-access/2009Nov/0056.html
asir: agree it's a typo but also
has non-editorial consequence
... the constraint at the table needs to be captured
somehow
dug: needs proposed text to proceed
AI: dug to refine proposal for 8200
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=8227
asir and dug to clarify this issue from ashok
asir: looks ok
bob: any objection to resolving
it?
... the issue is resolved
<asir> is there a 3B?
bob: anybody speaking for gil?
ram: should say MUST generate and MAY transmit
dug: should make this global for all specs
AI: ram to define "generate fault" for 8283
bob: any objection to the
proposal?
... issue resolved as proposed
<dug> Filtering occurs prior to any formatting of notification messages.
<dug> Context Node: the root of the event XML.
dug: section 2.3 clarifies the issue already
ram: cwna sounds good
bob: issue cwna but needs response to author
AI: dug to respond to issue 8323
<dug> and cc comments list
<Bob> email to reviewer and cc public comments list
bob: any objection?
dug: yes
... confused about the first child element
... need to discuss with gil
dug: describe the issue
bob: any objection?
ram: why need this for enumeration?
dug: same reason for ws-e, as enum items can be empty as well
ram: it's different and will talk with dug in detail
dug: describe the issue
... and propose option 1
ram: what is the reason for option 1?
dug: explain the reason for resource limited devices
ram: looks fine
bob: resolve issue with proposal 1
dug: describe the issue
ram: looks good
bob: issue resolved as proposed
dug: should be consistent with ws-e
bob: issue resolved as proposed
dug: describe the issue
ram: have question
... will do more research
dug: describe the issue
ram: fine with it
bob: issue resolved as proposed
dug: describe the issue
... proposed to remove the sentence
bob: issue resolved as proposed
dug: resolved already
dug/ram: agree in general but needs concrete text
AI: gil to propose concrete text for 8292
dug: what are the differences between two versions of wsdl?
ram: one is a profile of wsdl 1.1
with restrictions
... it's not clear how the profile is applicable to other use
cases
asir: bp 1.1 limits wsdl to soap
1.1 and http, not other soap or transports
... not good to take a blank restriction on wsdl 1.1
wu: agree with asir, we should
support both bp 1.1 and wsdl 1.1
... suggest cwna
dug: does bp 1.1 limit binding to http only?
ram: is checking bp 1.1
tom: wsdl 1.1 schema is fixed by
bp 1.1 schemas
... need to consider the diff on schemas before closing it
asir: can implementations be
ws-ra and bp compliant as well?
... there is no blocking for people to implement ws-ra and bp
1.1
bob: is there any wsdl in ws-ra that violates bp 1.1?
dug: profiling wsdl may be too
restrictive while fixing it is ok
... ok with cwna after talking with gil
<Wu> wu: ok with cwna
<asir> Asir: ok with CWNA
AI: dug to take comments for cwna to the list
<dug> 129.33.49.251
<Bob> 10.0.0.2
<dug> thanks yves!
<dug> works
<Bob> yves, cat you make a cron job to clear dug?
<dug> LOL
<dug> its pretty consistent about it too
ram: discuss it offline
wu: polling many events is ok
while polling for one may be overkill
... could suggest using getstatus instead of mc polling
dug: subscription end provides more info than getstatus
wu: subscription end polling creates a lot overhead
dug: subscription end poll is the same poll for other events
wu: endto is different from notifyto by spec, as the default of endto is "not to send"
dug: sharing EPR is an
implementation choice
... spec needs to give choices to implementations
wu: we need to coordinate endto
and notifyto
... or treat no-addressable endto as not usable
AI: dug to modify proposal to address concern for 8164
<Ram> Wordsmithing: "Likewise, the wse:EndTo element MAY choose to supportmechanisms, such as the [WS-MakeConnection] specification, to enable delivery of the SubscriptionEnd message from the Subscription Manager."
bob: adjourn 40 sec early
bye
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