20:28:33 RRSAgent has joined #ws-ra 20:28:33 logging to http://www.w3.org/2009/12/08-ws-ra-irc 20:28:35 RRSAgent, make logs public 20:28:35 Zakim has joined #ws-ra 20:28:37 Zakim, this will be WSRA 20:28:37 ok, trackbot, I see WS_WSRA()3:30PM already started 20:28:38 Meeting: Web Services Resource Access Working Group Teleconference 20:28:38 Date: 08 December 2009 20:28:51 +[Microsoft] 20:29:07 Ram has joined #ws-ra 20:29:18 LOL 20:29:24 Sreed has joined #ws-ra 20:29:53 new music while waiting feature 20:29:55 Love these picts: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1234047/Surfs-biggest-waves-years-come-Hawaii-North-Pacific-storm.html 20:29:59 Katy has joined #ws-ra 20:30:18 asir has joined #ws-ra 20:30:19 +Wu_Chou 20:30:49 + +1.207.827.aabb 20:31:14 +Yves 20:31:28 Wu has joined #ws-ra 20:34:31 +Tom_Rutt 20:35:05 scribenick: Li 20:35:24 agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-resource-access/2009Dec/0019.html 20:35:26 MartinC has joined #ws-ra 20:35:30

TOPIC agenda 20:37:06

bob: clarify last call issues can be resolved earlier 20:37:17

agenda agreed 20:37:27

TOPIC minutes of last meeting 20:37:37

minutes approved 20:38:05

TOPIC review of snapshots 20:38:23

...11/17/2009 revision 20:38:32 + +3531803aacc 20:38:55

snapshots approved and issues therein are closed 20:38:55 very hard to hear you martin 20:40:04

TOPIC xml security x-path discussion thread 20:40:06 i was on headset mute thats why 20:40:30

bob: two options 20:40:36 q+ 20:41:00 -Tom_Rutt 20:41:04

asir: we need to look at the technical issues before making decisions 20:41:59

bob: need to make decision before LC 20:42:09 sorry - was distracted - what are the two options? 20:42:10 ack asir 20:42:37

yves: changing behavior vs. changing syntax for LC 20:42:51

... cannot change behavior for LC 20:43:05 tomrutt has joined #ws-ra 20:43:36 +Tom_Rutt 20:43:52 tomrutt has joined #ws-ra 20:43:58

ram: other group should give us issues to address 20:44:26

bob: to contact fred for issues? 20:46:24

TOPIC: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=8176 20:47:15

ram: will investigate it for the next meeting 20:47:42

AI: ram to investigate 8176 for the next meeting 20:48:30 Topic: Issue-6463 20:48:32 word doc: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-resource-access/2009Dec/att-0012/wsmex_sections_7_and_8_for_6463.doc 20:49:04

TOPIC: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=6463 20:49:05 jeffm has joined #ws-ra 20:49:27

katy: describe the issue and proposal 20:50:46 about:blank 20:51:00 mind:blank 20:52:19 + +1.408.970.aadd 20:53:04 q+ 20:53:04 fmaciel has joined #ws-ra 20:53:10 ack asir 20:53:24

asir: haven't review it yet, but question is... 20:53:44

... does the proposal cover both examples 20:55:32

katy: wouldn't object to putting another example 20:56:14

asir: discuss it next week 20:56:49

TOPIC: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=8200 20:56:51 http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=8200 20:57:26

dug: describe the issue and proposal 20:57:27 http://www.w3.org/2009/09/ws-mex/Dialects/ws-mex-all 20:58:11 q+ to point out http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-resource-access/2009Nov/0056.html 20:58:13

...it's a editorial typo 20:58:31 ack asir 20:58:31 asir, you wanted to point out http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-resource-access/2009Nov/0056.html 20:58:51 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-resource-access/2009Nov/0056.html 20:59:29

asir: agree it's a typo but also has non-editorial consequence 21:00:02

asir: the constraint at the table needs to be captured somhow 21:00:15

s/somhow/somehow/ 21:00:44

dug: needs proposed text to proceed 21:01:04

AI: dug to refine proposal for 8200 21:01:21

http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=8227 21:01:27 q+ 21:01:38 ack dug 21:02:41

asir and dug to clarify this issue from ashok 21:03:00

asir: looks ok 21:04:14

bob: any objection to resolving it? 21:04:30

bob: the issue is resolved 21:04:51 is there a 3B? 21:05:10

TOPIC: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=8283 21:05:45 -Tom_Rutt 21:05:53

bob: anybody speaking for gil? 21:06:13 +Tom_Rutt 21:06:26 tomrutt has joined #ws-ra 21:06:36 q+ 21:06:57 ack dug 21:06:57

ram: should say MUST generate and MAY transmit 21:07:40

dug: should make this global for all specs 21:08:10

AI: ram to define "generate fault" for 8283 21:08:30

TOPIC: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=8287 21:09:10

bob: any objection to the proposal? 21:09:27

bob: issue resolved as proposed 21:09:30 tomrutt has joined #ws-ra 21:09:52

TOPIC: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=8323 21:10:34 Filtering occurs prior to any formatting of notification messages. 21:10:51 Context Node: the root of the event XML. 21:11:07

dug: section 2.3 clarifies the issue already 21:11:44 q+ 21:11:54 ack ram 21:12:51

ram: cwna sounds good 21:13:23

bob: issue cwna but needs response to author 21:13:46

AI: dug to respond to issue 8323 21:13:55 and cc comments list 21:14:03 email to reviewer and cc public comments list 21:14:05 -[IPcaller] 21:14:44

TOPIC: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=8303 21:15:17

bob: any objection? 21:15:22 tomrutt has joined #ws-ra 21:15:25

dug: yes 21:16:01

...confused about the first child element 21:16:09

...need to discuss with gil 21:16:27

TOPIC: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=8157 21:16:52

dug: describe the issue 21:17:09

bob: any objection? 21:17:43

ram: why need this for enumeration? 21:18:19

dug: same reason for ws-e, as enum items can be empty as well 21:19:16

ram: it's different and will talk with dug in detail 21:19:31

TOPIC: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=8159 21:19:57

dug: describe the issue 21:20:34

...and propose option 1 21:20:48

ram: what is the reason for option 1? 21:21:30

dug: explain the reason for resource limited devices 21:21:38

ram: looks fine 21:21:48

bob: resolve issue with proposal 1 21:22:13 -Mark_Little 21:22:16

TOPIC: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=8161 21:22:34

dug: describe the issue 21:23:12

ram: looks good 21:23:22

bob: issue resolved as proposed 21:23:36

TOPIC: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=8305 21:24:39

dug: should be consistent with ws-e 21:24:49

bob: issue resolved as proposed 21:25:00

TOPIC: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=8192 21:25:23

dug: describe the issue 21:26:03

ram: have question 21:27:30

...will do more research 21:28:12

TOPIC: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=8194 21:28:24

dug: describe the issue 21:29:18

ram: fine with it 21:29:35

bob: issue resolved as proposed 21:29:55

TOPIC: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=8195 21:30:08

dug: describe the issue 21:30:43

...proposed to remove the sentence 21:30:54 - +984999aaaa 21:31:10

bob: issue resolved as proposed 21:31:23 + +984999aaee 21:31:38

TOPIC: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=8291 21:31:58

dug: resolved already 21:32:16

TOPIC: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=8292 21:33:15 -Tom_Rutt 21:33:16

dug/ram: agree in general but needs concrete text 21:33:36

AI: gil to propose concrete text for 8292 21:33:36 +Tom_Rutt 21:33:42 tomrutt has joined #ws-ra 21:33:47 Ram has joined #ws-ra 21:34:28

TOPIC: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=8284 21:34:42 q+ 21:34:51 ack dug 21:35:12

dug: what are the differences between two versions of wsdl? 21:35:45

ram: one is a profile of wsdl 1.1 with restrictions 21:36:26 q+ 21:36:35

ram: it's not clear how the profile is applicable to other use cases 21:36:54 ack asir 21:37:20

asir: bp 1.1 limits wsdl to soap 1.1 and http, not other soap or transports 21:37:47 q+ 21:37:53 ack wu 21:37:57

...not good to take a blank restriction on wsdl 1.1 21:38:21 q+ 21:38:35

wu: agree with asir, we should support both bp 1.1 and wsdl 1.1 21:38:49 ack dug 21:38:51

...suggest cwna 21:39:14 q+ 21:39:42

dug: does bp 1.1 limit binding to http only? 21:39:52

ram: is checking bp 1.1 21:40:32 ack tom 21:41:02

tom: wsdl 1.1 schema is fixed by bp 1.1 schemas 21:41:20 q+ 21:41:26

tom: need to consider the diff on schemas before closing it 21:41:28 ack asir 21:41:43 tomrutt has joined #ws-ra 21:41:58

asir: can implementations be ws-ra and bp compliant as well? 21:42:53

asir: there is no blocking for people to implement ws-ra and bp 1.1 21:43:08 q+ 21:43:16 q+ 21:43:24 ack dug 21:43:34

bob: is there any wsdl in ws-ra that violates bp 1.1? 21:43:56 q- 21:44:12

dug: profiling wsdl may be too restrictive while restricting it is ok 21:44:27 s/restricting/fixing/ 21:44:29

dug: ok with cwna after talking with gil 21:44:56 wu: ok with cwna 21:45:14 Asir: ok with CWNA 21:45:25

AI: dug to take comments for cwna to the list 21:45:51

TOPIC: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=8164 21:47:25 129.33.49.251 21:47:27 10.0.0.2 21:48:07 thanks yves! 21:48:08 q+ 21:48:09 works 21:48:34 yves, cat you make a cron job to clear dug? 21:48:44 LOL 21:48:51 its pretty consistent about it too 21:49:00

ram: discuss it offline 21:49:01 q+ 21:49:17 ack wu 21:49:31 q+ 21:49:51

wu: polling many events is ok while polling for one may be overkill 21:50:04 ack ram 21:50:16

...could suggest using getstatus instead of mc polling 21:50:24 ack dug 21:50:54

dug: subscription end provides more info than getstatus 21:51:38

wu: subscription end polling creates a lot overhead 21:52:23

dug: subscription end poll is the same poll for other events 21:53:11

wu: endto is different from notifyto by spec, as the default of endto is "not to send" 21:53:47

dug: sharing EPR is an implementation choice 21:54:41

...spec needs to give choices to implementations 21:55:54

wu: we need to coordinate endto and notifyto 21:56:42

... or treat no-addressable endto as not usable 21:57:23 q+ 21:57:40

AI: dug to modify proposal to address concern for 8164 21:57:54 Wordsmithing: "Likewise, the wse:EndTo element MAY choose to supportmechanisms, such as the [WS-MakeConnection] specification, to enable delivery of the SubscriptionEnd message from the Subscription Manager." 21:58:30 tomrutt has left #ws-ra 21:58:30

bob: adjourn 40 sec early 21:58:37

bye 21:58:39 -Wu_Chou 21:58:40 -[Microsoft] 21:58:40 -Tom_Rutt 21:58:41 -[IBM] 21:58:41 - +984999aaee 21:58:43 -Bob_Freund 21:58:43 - +1.408.970.aadd 21:58:46 -Yves 21:58:51 - +1.207.827.aabb 21:59:00 rrsagent, generate minutes 21:59:00 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/12/08-ws-ra-minutes.html Bob 21:59:40 MartinC has left #ws-ra 22:01:59 - +3531803aacc 22:02:01 WS_WSRA()3:30PM has ended 22:02:02 Attendees were Mark_Little, [IPcaller], [IBM], Bob_Freund, +984999aaaa, [Microsoft], Wu_Chou, +1.207.827.aabb, Yves, Tom_Rutt, +3531803aacc, +1.408.970.aadd, +984999aaee 22:17:07 asir has joined #ws-ra