Hi jan!

<Jan> Agenda: /me how's your son?

<Jan> /me how's your son?

http://ec.europa.eu/information_society/activities/einclusion/policy/accessibility/web_access/commission_web_accessibility/index_en.htm

<Greg> I am here don't know why you can't hear me

Comments on Working Draft

JT: I have seen some drafts of comments, but nothing has been sent in yet

<Greg> I can hear you, don't know why you can't hear me.

<Jan> Scribe: jeanne

SN: I have some comments to send, but I am waiting for some comments

JT: We have no officially submitted, but we have several people asking for extensions and several people who have sent drafts.

SN: The holiday have set back some of the people who were commenting.

JT: We decided not to extend the deadline, but handle items on a case by case basis.

JS: If we extend the deadline, we can send another notice and restimulate interest.

A3.1.5

<Jan> http://www.w3.org/WAI/AU/2009/ED-IMPLEMENTING-ATAG20-20091130/

A.3.1.1 Non-Drawing Keyboard Access

<Jan> Resolution: Go with proposed A.3.1.1 Non-Drawing Keyboard Access text

A.3.1.2 Drawing Keyboard Access (Minimum)

<Jan> keyboard interface

<Jan> An interface used by software to obtain keystroke input. A keyboard interface can allows keystroke input even if particular devices do not contain a conventional keyboard (e.g., a touchscreen PDA can have a keyboard interface built into its operating system to support onscreen keyboards as well as external keyboards that may be connected). Keyboard-operated mouse emulators, such as...

<Jan> ...MouseKeys, do not qualify as operation through a keyboard interface because these emulators use pointing device interfaces, not keyboard interfaces.

JR: this is text I got from WCAG, more or less.

GP: I have some concerns about inserting new objects or line vectors. I don't want to preclude someone using advanced pointing tools.

JT: There are software programs where drawing is done completely with keyboard except for freehand drawing. I dont' think 3.1.2 items are difficult in a keyboard. Some power users prefer to use a keyboard because it gives greater control.
... We need to make it clear that we are talking about keyboard hooks, not necessarily requiring full keyboard control in the software.
... what I mean is that I can use a mouse emulator to do the functions.

JR: Let's take the example of a spray paint can. I can see how it can work, but should it be a minimum level requirement.

[discussion of how the spray can operates and ways it could be made accessible]

<Jan> JT: Dec 7th will be one hour

<Jan> GP: Will press hard to get tech people to look at language of A.3.5.1

<Jan> JT: Please ask them to suggest ideas

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Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-au/2009OctDec/0043.html
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