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20:53:10 <jeanne> Hi jan! 
20:53:26 <Jan> Zakim, this will be AUWG
20:53:26 <Zakim> ok, Jan; I see WAI_AUWG()3:00PM scheduled to start 53 minutes ago
20:53:31 <Jan> Meeting: WAI AU
20:56:13 <Jan> Agenda: /me how's your son?
20:56:18 <Jan>  /me how's your son?
20:56:45 <Jan> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-au/2009OctDec/0043.html
20:56:58 <Jan> Regrets: Tim B.
21:00:03 <AnnM> AnnM has joined #au
21:01:20 <Jan> zakim, code?
21:01:20 <Zakim> the conference code is 2894 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), Jan
21:01:30 <Zakim> WAI_AUWG()3:00PM has now started
21:01:37 <Zakim> +??P4
21:01:39 <Zakim> +Jeanne
21:01:55 <Jan> zakim, ??P4 is really Jan
21:01:55 <Zakim> +Jan; got it
21:02:49 <Zakim> + +0208123aaaa
21:02:51 <Zakim> + +1.561.582.aabb
21:03:22 <Jan> zakim, aaaa is really AnnM
21:03:22 <Zakim> + +3aacc
21:03:22 <Zakim> +AnnM; got it
21:03:41 <Jan> zakim, aabb is really SueAnn
21:03:41 <Zakim> +SueAnn; got it
21:03:49 <Jan> zakim, who's here?
21:03:49 <Zakim> On the phone I see Jan, Jeanne, AnnM, SueAnn, +3aacc
21:03:50 <Zakim> On IRC I see AnnM, RRSAgent, Zakim, Jan, jeanne, trackbot
21:04:11 <jeanne> regrets: Tim
21:04:45 <jeanne> present+ Jean, Jeanne, AnnM, SueAnn
21:05:01 <jeanne> present- Jean, 3aacc
21:05:06 <jeanne> present+ Jan
21:05:32 <Zakim> +??P9
21:05:57 <Jan> zakim, ??P9 is really JuttaT
21:05:57 <Zakim> +JuttaT; got it
21:07:32 <jeanne> http://ec.europa.eu/information_society/activities/einclusion/policy/accessibility/web_access/commission_web_accessibility/index_en.htm
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21:08:54 <Greg> I am here don't know why you can't hear me
21:09:36 <jeanne> topic: Comments on Working Draft
21:09:46 <Jan> Chair: Jutta Treviranus
21:09:53 <jeanne> JT: I have seen some drafts of comments, but nothing has been sent in yet
21:10:19 <Greg> I can hear you, don't know why you can't hear me. 
21:10:20 <Jan> Scribe: jeanne
21:10:27 <jeanne> SN: I have some comments to send, but I am waiting for some comments
21:11:36 <jeanne> JT: We have no officially submitted, but we have several people asking for extensions and several people who have sent drafts. 
21:12:19 <Zakim> - +3aacc
21:12:35 <jeanne> SN: The holiday have set back some of the people who were commenting. 
21:12:59 <jeanne> JT: We decided not to extend the deadline, but handle items on a case by case basis. 
21:13:48 <jeanne> JS: If we extend the deadline, we can send another notice and restimulate interest. 
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21:16:34 <Zakim> + +3aadd
21:16:53 <jeanne> zakim, 3aadd is  really Greg
21:16:53 <Zakim> I don't understand '3aadd is  really Greg', jeanne
21:17:13 <jeanne> zakim, 3aadd is really Greg
21:17:13 <Zakim> sorry, jeanne, I do not recognize a party named '3aadd'
21:17:35 <Jan> Topic: A3.1.5 
21:17:38 <Jan> http://www.w3.org/WAI/AU/2009/ED-IMPLEMENTING-ATAG20-20091130/
21:18:55 <Jan> Topic: A.3.1.1 Non-Drawing Keyboard Access
21:22:54 <Jan> Resolution: Go with proposed A.3.1.1 Non-Drawing Keyboard Access text
21:23:07 <Jan> Topic: A.3.1.2 Drawing Keyboard Access (Minimum)
21:23:37 <Zakim> -AnnM
21:25:02 <Jan> keyboard interface
21:25:04 <Jan>     An interface used by software to obtain keystroke input. A keyboard interface can allows keystroke input even if particular devices do not contain a conventional keyboard (e.g., a touchscreen PDA can have a keyboard interface built into its operating system to support onscreen keyboards as well as external keyboards that may be connected). Keyboard-operated mouse emulators, such as...
21:25:06 <Jan> ...MouseKeys, do not qualify as operation through a keyboard interface because these emulators use pointing device interfaces, not keyboard interfaces.
21:25:24 <jeanne> JR: this is text I got from WCAG, more or less. 
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21:31:21 <jeanne> GP:  I have some concerns about inserting new objects or line vectors.  I don't want to preclude someone using advanced pointing tools. 
21:32:42 <jeanne> JT: There are software programs where drawing is done completely with keyboard except for freehand drawing.  I dont' think 3.1.2 items are difficult in a keyboard. Some power users prefer to use a keyboard because it gives greater control. 
21:34:22 <jeanne> JT: We need to make it clear that we are talking about keyboard hooks, not necessarily requiring full keyboard control in the software.
21:36:00 <jeanne> JT: what I mean is that I can use a mouse emulator to do the functions.
21:36:37 <jeanne> JR: Let's take the example of a spray paint can.  I can see how it can work, but should it be a minimum level requirement. 
21:41:52 <jeanne> [discussion of how the spray can operates and ways it could be made accessible]
21:56:20 <Jan> JT: Dec 7th will be one hour
21:57:03 <Jan> GP: Will press hard to get tech people to look at language of A.3.5.1
21:57:28 <Jan> JT: Please ask them to suggest ideas
21:57:46 <Zakim> -AnnM
21:57:47 <Zakim> -Jan
21:57:47 <Zakim> -SueAnn
21:57:49 <Zakim> -Jeanne
21:57:54 <Zakim> -JuttaT
21:57:57 <Zakim> - +3aadd
21:57:58 <Zakim> WAI_AUWG()3:00PM has ended
21:57:59 <Zakim> Attendees were Jeanne, Jan, +0208123aaaa, +1.561.582.aabb, +3aacc, AnnM, SueAnn, JuttaT, +3aadd, +7.764.16.aaee
21:58:23 <Jan> RRSAgent, make minutes
21:58:23 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/11/30-au-minutes.html Jan
21:58:29 <Jan> RRSAgent, set logs public 
21:58:34 <Jan> Zakim, bye
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21:58:39 <Jan> RRSAgent, bye
21:58:39 <RRSAgent> I see no action items