XHTML2 Working Group Teleconference -- 18 Nov 2009

<trackbot> Date: 18 November 2009

<Steven> Scribe: Steven

Steven: News on Oasis?

Markus: No

Role module

Steven: News?

Markus: George and I attended a call last week with PF.
... we need role for distribution context
... we're trying to figure out a role module into a state so that it is not locked to ARIA values

<oedipus> synopsis of discussion: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2009Nov/0007.html

Markus: PF taking over the module wasn't discussed as I recall

Gregory: I just sent a note to the list.
... raising that role is a PF responsibility
... we are considering moving it to PF

Steven: No decision yet?

Gregory: No

Markus: SVG and SMIL3 use @role
... it's a generic mechanism that shouldn't be tied to accessibility

Gregory: role has generic use cases

Markus: Exactly
... and it would be a shame if HTML5 locked it to ARIA

<Zakim> oedipus, you wanted to say that GJR sent an update

<oedipus> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2009Nov/0007.html

Markus: Gregory's route is the best one
... I would join PF to bring generic role forward in W3C

Steven: Will a decision be taken this year?

Gregory: I will push for it
... @role is ready
... small amount of work

Shane: We already completed last call
... wrt generic values, we need a way to define new non-prefixed values in CURIEs
... we're discussing this in the RDFa TF

<oedipus> GJR needs to check on status of @profile in HTML5 -- was slated to be dropped, but 2 factions (accessibility and non-a11y) stronly support it

<Zakim> oedipus, you wanted to say that for a non-modular language, there are a lot of HTML5 modules out there (canvas api, html5+rdfa, etc.)

Gregory: 01for a non-modular language, there are a lot of HTML5 modules out there (canvas api, html5+rdfa, etc.)

Shane: APIs are different from syntax extensions

<oedipus> agreed

Shane: HTML5+RDFa has not been agreed to be published yet
... the group doesn't agree that there is an extension mechanism

Gregory: We need leadership from above, and we're not getting it

<oedipus> markus, did you discuss Liam Quinn's "imaginary namespaces"?

http://www.w3.org/QA/2009/11/default_prefix_declaration.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=laconi

<oedipus> Liam's proposal: http://www.balisage.net/Proceedings/vol3/html/Quin01/BalisageVol3-Quin01.html

Shane: The problem always boils down to javascript and cross site downloading
... browsers would have to support it

PERs

<oedipus> rock'n'roll!

<inserted> scribenick: oedipus

SP: asked to adjust wording on bits of replies, but main point from review, at transition call expect us to have shown that all the things that were changed in normative values actually running -- need to review which are really different

SM: what PERs are we discussing?

SP: XHTML 1.1, Basic, and Print

SM: PER asked about most recently was M12n -- put others on hold because of M12n

SP: already sent a message about M12n and the other 3 PERs

SM: normative changes -- modularization changes some modules -- those changes will affect other markup languages

SP: will they change the way the other markup languages operate -- could say yes due to "lang" and "target"
... not sure what a sufficient demonstartion would be

SM: what tests? need to show content validates against schemas we publish
... fundamental question: what has changed?

http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/ED-xhtml-modularization-20091007

http://www.w3.org/TR/2008/REC-xhtml-modularization-20081008

SP: can't find PER draft

SM: may not have one so could keep in draft space

SP: disposition of comments

SM: looking in spec -- draft that is up in TR space is the PER, just doesn't say so
... need to diff-mark again to ascertain changes

<Steven> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/ED-xhtml-modularization-20091007/

SM: added datatype -- diff against last editor's draft, not last REC

SP: previous editor's draft:

<ShaneM> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/ED-xhtml-modularization-20090930/

SM: 2009-09-30 draft
... description of changes in "Status of Document" section

SP: name on FORM and IMG; USEMAP, etc.

SM: take a spin through document to ensure no other changes not described in status of document
... USEMAP not just on IMG -- should state in "Status" also on INPUT and OBJECT

<scribe> ACTION: Shane - ensure that all changes to PER are described in the "Status of Document" section [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/11/18-xhtml-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-103 - - ensure that all changes to PER are described in the "Status of Document" section [on Shane McCarron - due 2009-11-25].

SP: modules hard to test in traditional sense; if we publish it and show languages using modules correctly, should allay lingering fears
... drum a few tests together in preperation for re-submission

SM: where to put tests?

SP: may need a mini-test suite to demonstrate

SM: XHTML 1.1, Basic and Print -- these module changes will effect all of those

SP: correct

SM: don't know what means to demonstrate them -- test document for each markup language that uses specific features; have to ensure still works in browser that block features

SP: XHTML Print: IMAGEMAP doesn't have any effect; FORMs don't have an effect;
... no real normative affect on Print -- only real change is schemas
... for XHTML Basic, changes same as for 1.1 -- any test file for Basic can be done for 1.1 with only change of DOCTYPE in HEAD

<scribe> ACTION: Steven - set up test document that can be used for XHTML Basic and XHTML 1.1 (same test file, different DOCTYPES) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/11/18-xhtml-minutes.html#action02]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-104 - - set up test document that can be used for XHTML Basic and XHTML 1.1 (same test file, different DOCTYPES) [on Steven Pemberton - due 2009-11-25].

<scribe> ACTION: Shane - adjust schema for XHTML Basic, 1.1, and Print [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/11/18-xhtml-minutes.html#action03]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-105 - - adjust schema for XHTML Basic, 1.1, and Print [on Shane McCarron - due 2009-11-25].

XHTML2 Draft

SP: need to review action items logged against draft

SM: i need to produce a note which i haven't yet done

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XHTML2 Working Group Teleconference

18 Nov 2009

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Contents

Role module

PERs

XHTML2 Draft

Summary of Action Items

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