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<trackbot> Date: 18 November 2009
<Steven> Scribe: Steven
Steven: News on Oasis?
Markus: No
Steven: News?
Markus: George and I attended a
call last week with PF.
... we need role for distribution context
... we're trying to figure out a role module into a state so
that it is not locked to ARIA values
<oedipus> synopsis of discussion: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2009Nov/0007.html
Markus: PF taking over the module wasn't discussed as I recall
Gregory: I just sent a note to
the list.
... raising that role is a PF responsibility
... we are considering moving it to PF
Steven: No decision yet?
Gregory: No
Markus: SVG and SMIL3 use
@role
... it's a generic mechanism that shouldn't be tied to
accessibility
Gregory: role has generic use cases
Markus: Exactly
... and it would be a shame if HTML5 locked it to ARIA
<Zakim> oedipus, you wanted to say that GJR sent an update
<oedipus> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2009Nov/0007.html
Markus: Gregory's route is the
best one
... I would join PF to bring generic role forward in W3C
Steven: Will a decision be taken this year?
Gregory: I will push for it
... @role is ready
... small amount of work
Shane: We already completed last
call
... wrt generic values, we need a way to define new
non-prefixed values in CURIEs
... we're discussing this in the RDFa TF
<oedipus> GJR needs to check on status of @profile in HTML5 -- was slated to be dropped, but 2 factions (accessibility and non-a11y) stronly support it
<Zakim> oedipus, you wanted to say that for a non-modular language, there are a lot of HTML5 modules out there (canvas api, html5+rdfa, etc.)
Gregory: 01for a non-modular language, there are a lot of HTML5 modules out there (canvas api, html5+rdfa, etc.)
Shane: APIs are different from syntax extensions
<oedipus> agreed
Shane: HTML5+RDFa has not been
agreed to be published yet
... the group doesn't agree that there is an extension
mechanism
Gregory: We need leadership from above, and we're not getting it
<oedipus> markus, did you discuss Liam Quinn's "imaginary namespaces"?
<oedipus> Liam's proposal: http://www.balisage.net/Proceedings/vol3/html/Quin01/BalisageVol3-Quin01.html
Shane: The problem always boils
down to javascript and cross site downloading
... browsers would have to support it
<oedipus> rock'n'roll!
<inserted> scribenick: oedipus
SP: asked to adjust wording on bits of replies, but main point from review, at transition call expect us to have shown that all the things that were changed in normative values actually running -- need to review which are really different
SM: what PERs are we discussing?
SP: XHTML 1.1, Basic, and Print
SM: PER asked about most recently was M12n -- put others on hold because of M12n
SP: already sent a message about M12n and the other 3 PERs
SM: normative changes -- modularization changes some modules -- those changes will affect other markup languages
SP: will they change the way the
other markup languages operate -- could say yes due to "lang"
and "target"
... not sure what a sufficient demonstartion would be
SM: what tests? need to show
content validates against schemas we publish
... fundamental question: what has changed?
http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/ED-xhtml-modularization-20091007
http://www.w3.org/TR/2008/REC-xhtml-modularization-20081008
SP: can't find PER draft
SM: may not have one so could keep in draft space
SP: disposition of comments
SM: looking in spec -- draft that
is up in TR space is the PER, just doesn't say so
... need to diff-mark again to ascertain changes
<Steven> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/ED-xhtml-modularization-20091007/
SM: added datatype -- diff against last editor's draft, not last REC
SP: previous editor's draft:
<ShaneM> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/ED-xhtml-modularization-20090930/
SM: 2009-09-30 draft
... description of changes in "Status of Document" section
SP: name on FORM and IMG; USEMAP, etc.
SM: take a spin through document
to ensure no other changes not described in status of
document
... USEMAP not just on IMG -- should state in "Status" also on
INPUT and OBJECT
<scribe> ACTION: Shane - ensure that all changes to PER are described in the "Status of Document" section [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/11/18-xhtml-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-103 - - ensure that all changes to PER are described in the "Status of Document" section [on Shane McCarron - due 2009-11-25].
SP: modules hard to test in
traditional sense; if we publish it and show languages using
modules correctly, should allay lingering fears
... drum a few tests together in preperation for
re-submission
SM: where to put tests?
SP: may need a mini-test suite to demonstrate
SM: XHTML 1.1, Basic and Print -- these module changes will effect all of those
SP: correct
SM: don't know what means to demonstrate them -- test document for each markup language that uses specific features; have to ensure still works in browser that block features
SP: XHTML Print: IMAGEMAP doesn't
have any effect; FORMs don't have an effect;
... no real normative affect on Print -- only real change is
schemas
... for XHTML Basic, changes same as for 1.1 -- any test file
for Basic can be done for 1.1 with only change of DOCTYPE in
HEAD
<scribe> ACTION: Steven - set up test document that can be used for XHTML Basic and XHTML 1.1 (same test file, different DOCTYPES) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/11/18-xhtml-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-104 - - set up test document that can be used for XHTML Basic and XHTML 1.1 (same test file, different DOCTYPES) [on Steven Pemberton - due 2009-11-25].
<scribe> ACTION: Shane - adjust schema for XHTML Basic, 1.1, and Print [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/11/18-xhtml-minutes.html#action03]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-105 - - adjust schema for XHTML Basic, 1.1, and Print [on Shane McCarron - due 2009-11-25].
SP: need to review action items logged against draft
SM: i need to produce a note which i haven't yet done
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