Internationalization Core WG Teleconference

02 Sep 2009

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David, addison, Richard, andrewc, YvesS
Addison Phillips
Addison Phillips




<scribe> Scribe: Addison Phillips

<scribe> ScribeNick: aphillip


<David> I didn't see an agenda

<David> should we add rescheduling for DST soon?

item: the language tags thing
... DST scheduling

HTML encoding detection

is anyone reading html5?

Action Items

Richard: respond on our behalf to CSS on ruby issue

not yet

check back in a few weeks

addison: set up document edit transition with dan for ws-i18n

dan has the document, but his editor doesn't work... so getting xmlspy

richard: publish i18n-guide-frameword as (retired, obsolete) WD

told the change is made but not appearing yet... will keep tracking

will ping Ian again

addison: to write a response proposing new text for html5 immediately following call for forwarding today

agendum: bidi techniques pub

all: review HTML5 (rolling action item to be reviewed weekly)

Info Share

idna folks just changed their charter

(ping mark for some update??)

<David> no

Bidi Techniques publication

richard: basically... I'd like to publish it
... any objections?

david: no

addison: no

<scribe> ACTION: Richard: publish bidi techniquest document [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/09/02-core-minutes.html#action01]

DST Scheduling

<scribe> ACTION: David: coordinate getting new dst scheduling [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/09/02-core-minutes.html#action02]

<David> http://www.timeanddate.com/time/dst2009.html

Language Tags document

<r12a> http://www.w3.org/International/articles/language-tags/temp.php

richard: looking for comments

<r12a> http://www.w3.org/International/articles/language-tags/temp.php#language

richard: main change is in extended language subtag section

Prefix: ar Macrolanguage: ar

appears on one line instead of two

addison: written chinese is more complex than that

<andrewc> it depends on how exact you neeed to be with your langauge tagging

<andrewc> generally "zh-Hants" "zh-Hant" fine, but for http://zh-yue.wikipedia.org/ vs http://zh.wikipedia.org/ nee dmore precision


richard: mark mentioned
... i had written:

<r12a> As RFC 4646 co-author, Addison Phillips, writes, "For virtually any content that does not use a script tag today, it remains the best practice not to use one in the future".

<r12a> mark writes:

<r12a> I disagree with that. The better advice is

<r12a> You should not use a script code if the predominant usage of the language is with a single script, and you don't need a contrast to remove ambiguity.

<r12a> For example, either Latin or Cyrllic are appropriate for use with uz, because of 'a'. As another example, where audio and written content need to be distinguished, one can use the "en-Latn" for written content and "en-Zxxx" for audio content.

richard: and mark wrote:

<YvesS> sorry, could not make it before.

<r12a> http://rishida.net/utils/subtags/index.php?find=malay&submit=Find&lookup=&list=0&check=

<andrewc> its a case by case basis.

<andrewc> maybe the rule of thumb is use the minimal langauge tag you need to provide the level of identification oyu need?

<andrewc> which seems ot cover all cases

Ultimately, it would probably be useful for the I18N WG to provide a reference about legacy encodings, superset encodings, and the famous "willful violation of CharMod" in HTML5, published as a WG Note.

<andrewc> they use legacy in multiple ways

<andrewc> slowly working through html5

<andrewc> not yet, but still need to go through a lot more of html5 first

<andrewc> maybe a start would be to write a HTML5 internationalisation cheatsheet based on our existing techniques documents, faqs, etc

use public list to share comments as you find them

<andrewc> ok

<andrewc> although html5 like css3 is likely to be an ingremental implementation

<andrewc> incremental

<andrewc> at soem point the horse has bolted, but at what point?

<andrewc> esp since firefox and opera are starting to implement parts of it already ;)

Summary of Action Items

[NEW] ACTION: David: coordinate getting new dst scheduling [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/09/02-core-minutes.html#action02]
[NEW] ACTION: Richard: publish bidi techniquest document [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/09/02-core-minutes.html#action01]
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