See also: IRC log
<cyns> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-implementation/#managed-states
<davidb> 4. Managed States
<davidb> 1. 4.1. Exposing Supplemental Interfaces
<davidb> 2. 4.2. Actions
<davidb> 3. 4.3. Changes to document content or node visibility
<davidb> 4. 4.4. Selection
<davidb> 5. 4.5. Menus in MSAA/IAccessible2
<scribe> scribe: Andi
<cyns> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-implementation/#managed-states
MC: 4.2 Actions - if role has no actions, don't need to include it
CS: the ones that have actions
are HTML elements and ARIA roles
... change "ACTION" to "Default Action", add columns for other
actions yet to be defined
... for example, some probably have "right-click", etc.
DB: draggable - is a property but gives you a new pattern
CS: placeholder for all
properties that make other actions possible - draggable,
editable, others?
... expect that if object has draggable property, browser
should do something about it
DB: AT could send synthetic mouse down if wanted to start drag action
bug - add something to 4.2 about properties that cause other actions to be possible - draggable, editable, etc.
CS: what events should be fired
when action occurs?
... add column to action table for events that are fired
DB: what changes in state cause the event?
CS: in IE, if click button, get
MSAA event AND a DOM event
... should at least look at what the DOM events are even if it
just informs our work and we don't publish
DB: if have <div role="button"> probably wouldn't want browser to take over - should map to API
CS: okay with SHOULD here
bug - Andi - p1 - Make 4.1 into a table, current bullets are IA2 column, need columns for other APIs. Placeholer table for f2f.
add section on events after 4.2 - copy action table, will add events for each API.
CS: organization - actions, then
events, 4.3 looks like a sub-section of events
... 4.3 looks IA2 specific
... if 4.3 is important enough to be a separate section,
okay
... suggest table with these bullets as IA2 column
DB: may not work as a table
CS: need to separate out what needs to be done from each API, may not fit in a table because some are processing steps
<davidb> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria/#aria-relevant
bug - selected = true/false/not specified - what does this mean
CS: table here is similar to what
we need for events
... need to add a column for DOM, separate MSAA and IA2, add
column for MAC
MC: how do we expand to additional APIs after publication
DB: would be nice if we had a controlled wiki page
CS: 4.3, 4.4, and 4.5 are all types of events
DB: things like "UA walks the chain ..." are processing - not events
CS: like 4.4 approach - numbered
steps with a table in some of them - maybe this could work for
4.3 too
... not sure processing part is normative, as long as things
are exposed through the API properly, UA logic doesn't
matter
CS: is this events or not? try it and see how it works
AS: do Mac and Linux have these special menu events?
bug - David - p2 - look at Mac and Linux - determine if there are menu events comparable to the MSAA events in 4.5
CS: why is it called this?
MC: history - browser manages
instead of the author
... most things are author's responsibilities
CS: seems like it's just additional mapping
Make section 4 additional sections in 3
MC: somewhere in the suite, authors need to understand what they have to do vs. what the browser will do
CS: kind of "meta" information - here's what you have to do and here's what will be done for you
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