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15:05:32 <MichaelC> meeting: ARIA User Agent Implementation Caucus
15:05:42 <MichaelC> chair: Cynthia_Shelly
15:10:43 <MichaelC> zakim, code?
15:10:43 <Zakim> the conference code is 2274 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), MichaelC
15:11:49 <cyns> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-implementation/#managed-states
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15:11:59 <davidb> 4. Managed States
15:11:59 <davidb>    1. 4.1. Exposing Supplemental Interfaces
15:11:59 <davidb>    2. 4.2. Actions
15:11:59 <davidb>    3. 4.3. Changes to document content or node visibility
15:11:59 <davidb>    4. 4.4. Selection
15:12:00 <davidb>    5. 4.5. Menus in MSAA/IAccessible2
15:12:46 <Andi> scribe: Andi
15:12:52 <cyns> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-implementation/#managed-states
15:13:13 <Andi> MC: 4.2 Actions - if role has no actions, don't need to include it
15:16:04 <Andi> CS: the ones that have actions are HTML elements and ARIA roles
15:16:40 <Andi> CS: change "ACTION" to "Default Action", add columns for other actions yet to be defined
15:16:58 <Andi> CS: for example, some probably have "right-click", etc.
15:17:20 <Andi> DB: draggable - is a property but gives you a new pattern
15:17:39 <Andi> CS: placeholder for all properties that make other actions possible - draggable, editable, others?
15:18:36 <Andi> CS: expect that if object has draggable property, browser should do something about it
15:18:56 <Andi> DB: AT could send synthetic mouse down if wanted to start drag action
15:20:35 <Andi> bug - add something to 4.2 about properties that cause other actions to be possible - draggable, editable, etc.
15:20:51 <Andi> CS: what events should be fired when action occurs? 
15:21:57 <Andi> CS: add column to action table for events that are fired
15:22:23 <Andi> DB: what changes in state cause the event?
15:24:25 <Andi> CS: in IE, if click button, get MSAA event AND a DOM event
15:25:31 <Andi> CS: should at least look at what the DOM events are even if it just informs our work and we don't publish
15:26:46 <Andi> DB: if have <div role="button"> probably wouldn't want browser to take over - should map to API
15:28:27 <Andi> topic: 4.1 Exposing supplemental interfaces
15:28:42 <Andi> CS: okay with SHOULD here
15:31:33 <Andi> bug - Andi - p1 - Make 4.1 into a table, current bullets are IA2 column, need columns for other APIs. Placeholer table for f2f.
15:34:25 <Andi> add section on events after 4.2 - copy action table, will add events for each API.
15:35:51 <Andi> CS: organization - actions, then events, 4.3 looks like a sub-section of events
15:36:04 <Andi> CS: 4.3 looks IA2 specific
15:37:05 <Andi> CS: if 4.3 is important enough to be a separate section, okay
15:37:22 <Andi> CS: suggest table with these bullets as IA2 column
15:37:29 <Andi> DB: may not work as a table
15:39:10 <Andi> CS: need to separate out what needs to be done from each API, may not fit in a table because some are processing steps
15:42:44 <davidb> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria/#aria-relevant
15:43:08 <Andi> topic: 4.4 Selection
15:45:47 <Andi> bug - selected = true/false/not specified - what does this mean
15:46:15 <Andi> CS: table here is similar to what we need for events
15:47:24 <Andi> CS: need to add a column for DOM, separate MSAA and IA2, add column for MAC
15:48:21 <Andi> MC: how do we expand to additional APIs after publication
15:48:32 <Andi> DB: would be nice if we had a controlled wiki page
15:49:24 <Andi> CS: 4.3, 4.4, and 4.5 are all types of events
15:49:56 <Andi> DB: things like "UA walks the chain ..." are processing - not events
15:51:10 <Andi> CS: like 4.4 approach - numbered steps with a table in some of them - maybe this could work for 4.3 too
15:52:14 <Andi> CS: not sure processing part is normative, as long as things are exposed through the API properly, UA logic doesn't matter
15:52:32 <Andi> topic: 4.5 Menus in MSAA/IAccessible2
15:52:50 <Andi> CS: is this events or not? try it and see how it works
15:54:25 <Andi> AS: do Mac and Linux have these special menu events?
15:55:26 <Andi> bug - David - p2 - look at Mac and Linux - determine if there are menu events comparable to the MSAA events in 4.5
15:55:40 <Andi> topic: 4 Managed States
15:55:45 <Andi> CS: why is it called this?
15:55:58 <Andi> MC: history - browser manages instead of the author
15:56:21 <Andi> MC: most things are author's responsibilities
15:56:53 <Andi> CS: seems like it's just additional mapping
15:57:40 <Andi> Make section 4 additional sections in 3
15:58:16 <Andi> MC: somewhere in the suite, authors need to understand what they have to do vs. what the browser will do
15:58:27 <Zakim> -Cooper
15:58:34 <Andi> CS: kind of "meta" information - here's what you have to do and here's what will be done for you
15:58:52 <Zakim> +Cooper
15:59:19 <Zakim> -Cooper
15:59:25 <Zakim> -David_Bolter
15:59:26 <Zakim> -Steve_Faulkner
15:59:27 <Zakim> -Andi_Snow_Weaver
15:59:27 <Zakim> WAI_PFWG(ARIA)11:00AM has ended
15:59:28 <Zakim> Attendees were Andi_Snow_Weaver, Cynthia_Shelly, Cooper, Steve_Faulkner, David_Bolter
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