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<ChrisW> Scribe: Harold
Chris: Soon there will be a Call
for Implementations. Most important thing.
... Start influencing people now to implement.
<ChrisW> action-847: done
<trackbot> ACTION-847 Review Class Membership and Frames test cases notes added
<ChrisW> action-847: closed
<trackbot> ACTION-847 Review Class Membership and Frames test cases notes added
<trackbot> If you meant to close ACTION-847, please use 'close ACTION-847'
<ChrisW> close action-847
<trackbot> ACTION-847 Review Class Membership and Frames test cases closed
close action-846
close action-846
<trackbot> ACTION-846 Review RDF_Constant_Equivalence and RDF Invalid constants test cases closed
Chris: Need publicity/
<ChrisW> http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wiki/Publicity
Chris: Above wiki page is from previous LC.
<ChrisW> ACTION: Mike_Dean to announce to old joint committee mailing list [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/07/07-rif-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - Mike_Dean
<ChrisW> ACTION: Chris to announce to ODM, CL, dbpedia, lod, ontolog [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/07/07-rif-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-855 - Announce to ODM, CL, dbpedia, lod, ontolog [on Christopher Welty - due 2009-07-14].
<ChrisW> ACTION: harold to announce to RuleML, NRCC, UNB [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/07/07-rif-minutes.html#action03]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-856 - Announce to RuleML, NRCC, UNB [on Harold Boley - due 2009-07-14].
<ChrisW> ACTION: harold to announce to RR, XSB, F-Logic, Flora, Lprolog [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/07/07-rif-minutes.html#action04]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-857 - Announce to RR, XSB, F-Logic, Flora, Lprolog [on Harold Boley - due 2009-07-14].
<ChrisW> ACTION: Leora to announce to KR, ask about AAAI, check commonsense [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/07/07-rif-minutes.html#action05]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-858 - Announce to KR, ask about AAAI, check commonsense [on Leora Morgenstern - due 2009-07-14].
<ChrisW> ACTION: sandro to annoucne to swi-prolog [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/07/07-rif-minutes.html#action06]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-859 - Annoucne to swi-prolog [on Sandro Hawke - due 2009-07-14].
http://decentralyze.com/2009/06/19/notes-from-semtech2009/
<ChrisW> ACTION: Dave to announce to hp internal and jena-dev [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/07/07-rif-minutes.html#action07]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-860 - Announce to hp internal and jena-dev [on Dave Reynolds - due 2009-07-14].
<ChrisW> ACTION: gary to announce inside oracle, drules, jess [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/07/07-rif-minutes.html#action08]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-861 - Announce inside oracle, drules, jess [on Gary Hallmark - due 2009-07-14].
Alexandre Riazanov: http://www.freewebs.com/riazanov/
Chris: Flora-2 test case where equality is incomplete?
<ChrisW> ACTION: mkifer to devise a "deep" equality test case [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/07/07-rif-minutes.html#action09]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-862 - Devise a "deep" equality test case [on Michael Kifer - due 2009-07-14].
Michael: Subsitutivity for functions on 2nd or 3rd level.
Dave: Still an option to
implement Core.
... Not guaranteed, at the moment.
Sandro: Trying a Core implementation and maybe beyond.
Gary: Year-old prototype for PRD; will bring that translator from/to Oracle Business Rules up to date.
Mike: As part of Vulcan work on
Silk will do BLD and (hyper-)non-mon extensions.
... Translators between Silk and BLD.
Sandro: How can we bring other
rules people (who were not active in RIF) into RIF?
... Vendors? Motivational trade-offs?
... Why interested (or not)?
Chris: What about a press release, introductory letter?
Sandro: When going to CR, there
will be official Call for Implementations.
... Meanwhile think about RIF as being almost done: Hey have a
look at it.
Chris: Mailing lists etc.
Sandro: Ironically, first target would be RIF membership list, but it's not easy to mail there.
<sandro> http://www.w3.org/2000/09/dbwg/details?group=38457&order=org
<ChrisW> ACTION: sandro to contact Jos de Roo [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/07/07-rif-minutes.html#action10]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-863 - Contact Jos de Roo [on Sandro Hawke - due 2009-07-14].
<scribe> ACTION: Contact Doug Lenat (Cleveland Clinic) to Sandro [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/07/07-rif-minutes.html#action11]
<trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - Contact
<scribe> ACTION: Sandro to Contact Doug Lenat (Cleveland Clinic) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/07/07-rif-minutes.html#action12]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-864 - Contact Doug Lenat (Cleveland Clinic) [on Sandro Hawke - due 2009-07-14].
<scribe> ACTION: Chris to contact Minsu Cheng [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/07/07-rif-minutes.html#action13]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-865 - Contact Minsu Cheng [on Christopher Welty - due 2009-07-14].
<scribe> ACTION: Dave to contact Markas? [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/07/07-rif-minutes.html#action14]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-866 - Contact Markas? [on Dave Reynolds - due 2009-07-14].
<scribe> ACTION: Chris to contact Luis Polo. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/07/07-rif-minutes.html#action15]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-867 - Contact Luis Polo. [on Christopher Welty - due 2009-07-14].
<scribe> ACTION: Harold to contact Michael Sintek [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/07/07-rif-minutes.html#action16]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-868 - Contact Michael Sintek [on Harold Boley - due 2009-07-14].
<scribe> ACTION: Dave to contact Giorgos [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/07/07-rif-minutes.html#action17]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-869 - Contact Giorgos [on Dave Reynolds - due 2009-07-14].
<scribe> ACTION: Sandro to contact MOC [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/07/07-rif-minutes.html#action18]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-870 - Contact MOC [on Sandro Hawke - due 2009-07-14].
<scribe> ACTION: Chris to contact NCSR. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/07/07-rif-minutes.html#action19]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-871 - Contact NCSR. [on Christopher Welty - due 2009-07-14].
<scribe> ACTION: Harold to contact Igor Mozetic. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/07/07-rif-minutes.html#action20]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-872 - Contact Igor Mozetic. [on Harold Boley - due 2009-07-14].
<scribe> ACTION: Chris to contact Leo Obrst. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/07/07-rif-minutes.html#action21]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-873 - Contact Leo Obrst. [on Christopher Welty - due 2009-07-14].
<scribe> ACTION: Harold to contact Guido Governatori. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/07/07-rif-minutes.html#action22]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-874 - Contact Guido Governatori. [on Harold Boley - due 2009-07-14].
<scribe> ACTION: Leora to contact Evan Wallace (then Edward Barkmeyer). [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/07/07-rif-minutes.html#action23]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-875 - Contact Evan Wallace (then Edward Barkmeyer). [on Leora Morgenstern - due 2009-07-14].
<scribe> ACTION: Harold to contact Said Tabet. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/07/07-rif-minutes.html#action24]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-876 - Contact Said Tabet. [on Harold Boley - due 2009-07-14].
<scribe> ACTION: Chris to contact William Andersen. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/07/07-rif-minutes.html#action25]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-877 - Contact William Andersen. [on Christopher Welty - due 2009-07-14].
<scribe> ACTION: Chris to contact Elisa Kendall. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/07/07-rif-minutes.html#action26]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-878 - Contact Elisa Kendall. [on Christopher Welty - due 2009-07-14].
<scribe> ACTION: Mike to contact SRI. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/07/07-rif-minutes.html#action27]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-879 - Contact SRI. [on Mike Dean - due 2009-07-14].
<scribe> ACTION: Mike to contact David Jones (Boeing). [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/07/07-rif-minutes.html#action28]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-880 - Contact David Jones (Boeing). [on Mike Dean - due 2009-07-14].
<scribe> ACTION: Dave to contact Aberdeen colleagues. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/07/07-rif-minutes.html#action29]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-881 - Contact Aberdeen colleagues. [on Dave Reynolds - due 2009-07-14].
<scribe> ACTION: Chris to contact University of Innsbruck. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/07/07-rif-minutes.html#action30]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-882 - Contact University of Innsbruck. [on Christopher Welty - due 2009-07-14].
<sandro> http://www.w3.org/2004/12/rules-ws/registered
Sandro: Attendee list of that
Workshop could be used, too.
... Using their Position Papers.
Chris: More ideas, especially
companies?
... Production rules vendors?
<ChrisW> http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wiki/RIF_FAQ
Chris: Need reviews of the FAQ by
all.
... Some questions have not answers yet.
<ChrisW> ACTION: mike to answer FAQ 3.7 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/07/07-rif-minutes.html#action31]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-883 - Answer FAQ 3.7 [on Mike Dean - due 2009-07-14].
<ChrisW> ACTION: harold to answer FAQ 3.6 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/07/07-rif-minutes.html#action32]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-884 - Answer FAQ 3.6 [on Harold Boley - due 2009-07-14].
Mike: Take RIF and SWRL.
Dave: Take RDF.
<ChrisW> ACTION: dave to answer FAQ 3.2-3.3 and 3.5 for RL [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/07/07-rif-minutes.html#action33]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-885 - Answer FAQ 3.2-3.3 and 3.5 for RL [on Dave Reynolds - due 2009-07-14].
<csma> Chris, I see that you have an action to contact Luis-Polo: I will meet him tomorrow, so I can take the action
<ChrisW> ACTION: stella to answer FAQ 4.3 - 4.4 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/07/07-rif-minutes.html#action34]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-886 - Answer FAQ 4.3 - 4.4 [on Stella Mitchell - due 2009-07-14].
<ChrisW> ACTION: leora to answer FAQ 4.2 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/07/07-rif-minutes.html#action35]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-887 - Answer FAQ 4.2 [on Leora Morgenstern - due 2009-07-14].
<ChrisW> ACTION: gary to answer FAQ 4.3 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/07/07-rif-minutes.html#action36]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-888 - Answer FAQ 4.3 [on Gary Hallmark - due 2009-07-14].
<ChrisW> ACTION: stella to answer FAQ 4.1 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/07/07-rif-minutes.html#action37]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-889 - Answer FAQ 4.1 [on Stella Mitchell - due 2009-07-14].
<csma> yes
<ChrisW> ACTION: csma to answer FAQ 3.8 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/07/07-rif-minutes.html#action38]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-890 - Answer FAQ 3.8 [on Christian de Sainte Marie - due 2009-07-14].
Complete processing of a RIF document, even a conformant
RIF Core document
--for legal reasons we should not confine it to Core-->
Complete processing of a RIF document, even a conformant
RIF document
<sandro> "Complete processing of a RIF document, even a conformant RIF Core document, may require arbitrarily great CPU and memory resources."
<sandro> ACTION: sandro to post media-type registration to IETF lists [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/07/07-rif-minutes.html#action39]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-891 - Post media-type registration to IETF lists [on Sandro Hawke - due 2009-07-14].
http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wiki/Class_Membership
Dialect BLD
-->
Dialect Core
This test cases defines a rule that represents an "isFatherOf" relation between male family members. It uses RIF class memberships to test if a family member is of the class "Male" .
-->
This test cases defines rules that represents an "isFatherOf" relation as a male parent of a son or daughter. It uses RIF class memberships to test if a parent is in the class "Male".
Forall ?X ?Y ( fam:isFatherOf(?Y ?X) :- And (fam:isSonOf(?X ?Y) ?X#fam:Male ?Y#fam:Male )
)
-->
Forall ?X ?Y ( fam:isFatherOf(?Y ?X) :- And (fam:isSonOf(?X ?Y) ?Y#fam:Male )
)
Forall ?X ?Y ( fam:isFatherOf(?Y ?X) :- And (fam:isDaughterOf(?X ?Y) ?Y#fam:Male )
)
Forall ?X ?Y ( fam:isFatherOf(?Y ?X) :- And (fam:isChildOf(?X ?Y) ?Y#fam:Male ) )
<csma> that's why # is allowed in a conclusion only for New frame objects, in PRD
Gary: We know that membership facts are not allowed in Core and PRD when we deigned them.
<Gary> I argued that membership facts but not conclusions be allowed...
PROPOSED: Approve testcase class membership?
<sandro> PROPOSED: approve test case http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wiki/Class_Membership
<Gary> +1
APPROVED: Approve testcase class approve test case http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wiki/Class_Membership
<sandro> RESOLVED: approve test case http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wiki/Class_Membership
http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wiki/Frames
Description Demonstrates how to use frame representation in RIF BLD.
-->
Description Demonstrates how to use frame representation in RIF-Core.
ex: customer
--everywhere-->
ex: customer0017
Leora: Changing ex:customer to ex:customer0017 would affect many other examples Adrian has done (eg Assert and Retract).
Sandro: Not sure about the ?Name
variable.
... Facts and conclusions can remain the same.
... But ?Name suggests something misleading.
Chris: Right, totally useless example.
Gary: Delete, as Sandro proposed.
Chris: Rule applies only to one customer, like business was done in the old days.
<csma> Bye
Leora: Maybe Adrian meant something we are not quite getting.
Chris: Maybe because of
successive changes.
... "Whatever the customer's ?Name is., ...".
... Maybe they change their ?Name often.
<sandro> PROPOSED: approve test case http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wiki/Frames
PROPOSED: Approve testcase http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wiki/Frames
<sandro> +1
+1
<DaveReynolds> +1
<Gary> +1
RESOLUTION: Approve testcase http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wiki/Frames
RESOLUTION: testcase http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wiki/Frames
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